Hi,

we shipped our UK registered car/carnet du passage/ to Melbourne from Japan and now I am trying to buy CTP insurance, which will be valid for whole Australia. Car will arrive first week of march. I searched internet and people are using SUNCORP.

I asked them if they can insure our car for whole Australia. Their answer is:


"The CTP Insurance and Permit can be used in each State/Territory providing that the vehicle is used predominately in Queensland (50-60% of the time) and that the other States/Territories provide approval to use the Queensland CTP and Permit in that State.
It is very important to check with each State /Territory Transport Department as to what their conditions are.''

I have no idea why they talk about Queensland if we will arrive to Victoria.
Do you have any experience with CTP?

Thank you very much for help.
Kamil+Helena

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Have a read of this thread:

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...nsurance-57660

I think the answers to your questions will be there

Because Suncorp are Queensland based company that normally provides CTP for Queensland registered vehicles. Just buy it from them or NRMA. How do do they know where you spent the bulk of your time in the case of an accident?

In Australia the CTP scheme is state based but the coverage is country wide. You are supposed to have CTP for the state you reside in and is coupled to your vehicle registration in some manner, sometimes included registration renewal, sometimes as a requirement of registration renewal, depends on the state, so you buy CTP from the insurer(s) that are aligned to the state based system.

But you are a little different, getting insurance without registration, but they still think in their little state based paradigm.

Hi Kamil

i have arranged the shipping & clearance of many bikes/cars in the past under carnet and can recommend the following insure company:


For third party insurance, for non OZ registered motorbike, most travelers use a company called Car market. They can insure you for all the Australian stats, and do it all over the internet:

Kings Cross Car Market
110 Bourke St
Woolloomooloo.NSW. 2010
DL 21388
PH +61 2 9358 5000
Fax +61 2 93585102
Email info@carmarket.com.au
www.carmarket.com.au

if you get stuck with clearance of your carnet or arranging the unpack & mandatory quarantine inspection, please let me know as i can help you here (i have a customs brokers license and can arrange)

My contact details are:
ivan@bikesabroad.com.au
www.bikesabroad.com.au
or call me 0466 965 460

Good luck with your travels in Australia

Rgds
Ivan

Thank you vey much for answers and Ivan, thanks for your offer to help.I will post our experience when we sort everything out.

Here is info from Victoria roads:

A motor vehicle visiting from overseas may be driven in Australia if it meets all of the following conditions:

- it is registered in its home country, and its registration must remain current while the vehicle is driven in Australia (sometimes referred to as carnet du passage); and
- it is visiting on a temporary basis.

To be driven in Australia, the motor vehicle must have appropriate transport accident cover (TAC85). To obtain the appropriate TAC cover you may contact the VicRoads Call Centre on 13 11 71 within Australia or on + 61 3 9854 7763 from overseas (8.30am - 5.00pm Monday to Friday, 8.30am - 2.00pm Saturday), to discuss your enquiry further with a VicRoads consultant. Please have a valid Visa or MasterCard with you when calling.

You may also attend a VicRoads Customer Service Centre (CSC) Office locations & opening hours : VicRoads if this would be more convenient. Payment can be made by cash, cheque, EFTPOS, Visa or MasterCard when attending the CSC.

At the time of your call or attending the CSC please request a TAC85 permit and you will need to provide the following information for the permit:

- registration number
- year of manufacture of the vehicle
- body type of vehicle
- make and model
- VIN/Chassis number or Engine number
- Colour of the vehicle
- Start and end date you require the permit for
- Fax number to send the permit to (when telephoning)

The maximum allowable period for use in Australia is normally 12 months, at which time the vehicle must leave Australia.

If these vehicles are used in left hand drive configuration it is advisable to display a left hand drive sign. The words "Left hand Drive" in lettering 75mm high and of proportionate width must be clearly and legibly displayed on the rear of the vehicle.

You will need to contact each state you will be travelling to, to confirm what the requirements are for that jurisdiction. I have provided the following link Related links : VicRoads to the VicRoads website that provides you with a sub link to each state of Australia's transport authority.

Please refer to the heading "Australian road transport agencies" for details of each states transport authority.

Answer from NSW authorities:

"Overseas visitors and tourists may import their vehicle into Australia for a temporary period of up to 12 months by obtaining either a Carnet de Passages en Douane (carnet) from their local (overseas) motoring organisation, or a Vehicle Import Approval (VIA) from the Commonwealth Department of Infrastructure and Transport (DIT). In either case the document must be obtained before the vehicle arrives in Australia. Registration in NSW is not required, but the vehicle must be exported from Australia within the specified time limit.

Vehicles temporarily visiting NSW from overseas must have current overseas registration. Number plates and labels from the country of origin must also be fitted to the vehicle. It is also recommended that the overseas registration certificate be carried when using the vehicle.

These vehicles are exempt from NSW registration and cannot be issued with an Unregistered Vehicle Permit. Vehicles exempt from NSW registration, are also exempt from Compulsory Third Party (CTP) insurance. A NSW third party personal injury claim involving a vehicle visiting from overseas is made against the Nominal Defendant Scheme. This scheme is administered by the Motor Accidents Authority (MAA).

Vehicles entering NSW under these circumstances can be right or left-hand drive, and do not need to comply with the Australian Design Rules. However, the vehicle must be roadworthy. Left-hand drive vehicles with a Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM) over 4.5 tonnes must display the words 'left-hand drive' on the rear of the vehicle in letters at least 75 millimetres high, with a colour contrast background.

If the vehicle was originally imported under a VIA and the operator remains in Australia and wants to keep the vehicle beyond the VIA's original expiry date, they may apply to DIT to have the VIA amended. If an amendment is approved, the vehicle may then be registered in NSW providing it meets all of the applicable vehicle standards for registration in NSW.

If an amendment is not approved the original import conditions apply and the vehicle must be exported. A vehicle imported under a carnet cannot be registered in NSW and must be exported before the specified time limit expires."

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Some more info from Queensland.


The Department of Transport and Main Roads ( TMR) does recognise interstate issued overseas vehicle permits.

Please contact your Compulsory Third Party (CTP) insurance provider to ensure that your current CTP insurance policy will cover your vehicle whilst driving in Queensland. You must obtain Queensland CTP insurance if your current policy does not cover you in Queensland.

The following is a list of CTP insurance providers in Queensland:

AAMI 13 22 44
Allianz 13 10 00
NRMA 13 21 32
QBE 13 37 23
RACQ 13 19 05
Suncorp Metway 13 11 60

TMR also issues overseas vehicle permits for left hand drive vehicles under 30 years of age. A police permit for left hand drive vehicles is not required to issue a Queensland permit. However, if you currently hold an interstate issued police permit, please contact the police in the state where your permit was issued to enquire if your permit would cover your vehicle in Queensland.

You are only required to obtain a Queensland unregistered vehicle permit if:
you do not hold an interstate overseas vehicle permit; or
you hold an interstate issued overseas vehicle permit and a police permit to operate a left hand drive vehicle under 30 years of age but the police permit does not include operating the vehicle in Queensland.
To obtain a Left Hand Drive Queensland Overseas Vehicle Permit you must present the vehicle at a Department of Transport and Main Roads Customer Service Centre and provide the following:
a Queensland issued CTP insurance certificate; and
the authority to import issued by the Department of Infrastructure and Transport (Commonwealth); and
the applicant's current passport; and
the applicant's current driver licence; and
proof of current overseas registration.

alternatively you can provide:
the Carnet de Passages in Douane issued by either:
- an overseas authority (as a valid international customs pass); or
- an Australian automobile club
and
the applicant's current passport; and
the applicant's current driver licence; and
proof of current overseas registration.

The vehicle will be inspected at the Customer Service Centre to confirm the vehicle details against the documents provided.

The vehicle must have:
working headlights; and
working tail lights, including stop and turn lights; and
working windscreen wipers (if fitted); and
seat belts (if fitted)

The overseas vehicle permit must be:
carried in the vehicle at all times when on the road; and
produced to transport inspectors or police when requested; and
the overseas registration label (or equivalent) and number plates must remain on the vehicle; and
the vehicle may be driven in other states providing their requirements are met; and
applicants are advised to contact the relevant authorities in the states they wish to travel.
Locations for your closest TMR Customer Service Centre is available online by visiting the TMR website at:
Customer service centres (Department of Transport and Main Roads)
If you require further information, please contact Mrs Helen Cootes on telephone
07 3066 9411 between 8:00am and 5:00pm, Monday to Friday. (A local call charge if calling
within Australia. Higher rates apply from mobile phones and pay phones. For international
callers, please phone +61 7 3405 0985).

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I wanted buy CTP from Suncorp, but I can not, because car is arriving to Victoria. What a strange system.
Answer from Suncorp:

"Please keep in mind, we can only issue the Suncorp CTP Insurance if you are arranging the Overseas Vehicle Permit at the Queensland Transport Department and Main Roads as we are only licenced to issue CTP in Queensland."

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That is an understatement to say least. The main reason for this is that CTP is highly regulated by the relevant state governments.

At one stage the insurer was the relevant state government(s) in all Australian states, since then the each different state has diverged differently in each state.

For example in Victoria the state government is still the insurer, through the TAC. In Queensland you choose your insurer on first registration, but after that the premiums are collected by the government when you pay your registration and passed on to the insurer. WA,NSW,SA and TAS all have different systems again.

If you are arriving in Victoria then I think you need to go the TAC.

Yes you are right.
To obtain the appropriate TAC cover you may contact the VicRoads Call Centre on 13 11 71 within Australia or on + 61 3 9854 7763 from overseas (8.30am - 5.00pm Monday to Friday, 8.30am - 2.00pm Saturday), to discuss your enquiry further with a VicRoads consultant. Please have a valid Visa or MasterCard with you when calling.

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Australia is a federation of states, just like the USA or EU with each state having the ability to make laws governing most things that dont affect foreign relations or trade.

The CTP is much like the European Green Card system, buy it in one state and its valid in all states. Thats a strange system?

Info from Queensland if someone will ship there.
The Department of Transport and Main Roads ( TMR) does recognise interstate issued overseas vehicle permits.

Please contact your Compulsory Third Party (CTP) insurance provider to ensure that your current CTP insurance policy will cover your vehicle whilst driving in Queensland. You must obtain Queensland CTP insurance if your current policy does not cover you in Queensland.

The following is a list of CTP insurance providers in Queensland:
AAMI 13 22 44
Allianz 13 10 00
NRMA 13 21 32
QBE 13 37 23
RACQ 13 19 05
Suncorp Metway 13 11 60

TMR also issues overseas vehicle permits for left hand drive vehicles under 30 years of age. A police permit for left hand drive vehicles is not required to issue a Queensland permit. However, if you currently hold an interstate issued police permit, please contact the police in the state where your permit was issued to enquire if your permit would cover your vehicle in Queensland.

You are only required to obtain a Queensland unregistered vehicle permit if:
you do not hold an interstate overseas vehicle permit; or
you hold an interstate issued overseas vehicle permit and a police permit to operate a left hand drive vehicle under 30 years of age but the police permit does not include operating the vehicle in Queensland.
To obtain a Left Hand Drive Queensland Overseas Vehicle Permit you must present the vehicle at a Department of Transport and Main Roads Customer Service Centre and provide the following:
a Queensland issued CTP insurance certificate; and
the authority to import issued by the Department of Infrastructure and Transport (Commonwealth); and
the applicant's current passport; and
the applicant's current driver licence; and
proof of current overseas registration.

alternatively you can provide:
the Carnet de Passages in Douane issued by either:
- an overseas authority (as a valid international customs pass); or
- an Australian automobile club
and
the applicant's current passport; and
the applicant's current driver licence; and
proof of current overseas registration.

The vehicle will be inspected at the Customer Service Centre to confirm the vehicle details against the documents provided.

The vehicle must have:
working headlights; and
working tail lights, including stop and turn lights; and
working windscreen wipers (if fitted); and
seat belts (if fitted)

The overseas vehicle permit must be:
carried in the vehicle at all times when on the road; and
produced to transport inspectors or police when requested; and
the overseas registration label (or equivalent) and number plates must remain on the vehicle; and
the vehicle may be driven in other states providing their requirements are met; and
applicants are advised to contact the relevant authorities in the states they wish to travel.

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One year permit + CTP = 460AUD for car. VICroads were very helpful and all paperwork took 10min to sort out.

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