Hi,
Is there any country in South America where you can sale your american
registered bike in a legal way and the buyer doesn't have to pay a fortune
in taxes?
Cheers Hugo 317

It`ll be really hard to do it the legal way, in what country the bike is?

Uruguay,
I know that in Uru, Argentina and Brasil is almost imposible, was hoping
Paraguay or Bolivia.
thanks
cheers hugo317

What you are asking to do is why there is carnet. Please do not abuse the Americas not having carnet and have them start using it agen.

But yes there is a way sell your bike and not have the buyer pay the tax you can pay the tax. But the government is going to get there $ one way or the other. Just like back home.

You can try to sell the bike in the US. I do not think the bike needs to be in the USA to do the paperwork. Just hope the bike is not on any paperwork with your name on it. prison down there is not much fun. Then agen you can alwas pay the fine.

Unless the bike is sold to another traveler and this buyer continue the trip I don`t see how you can sell it w/out paying taxes.

Hi Wercol
What if i sell the bike to another travellers like you said, when he leaves
the country the temporary importation paper will be in my name and so is the bill of sale, how am I going to transfer that. do you know if it has been donne before.
Thanks
Hugo317

I`ll send you a link from these guys in Argentina, they can help you better than I in these regard.
dakar_motos_index
Good Luck.

you can sell unplated bikes in Sucre Bolivia but I doubt you will get much for the sale

I found this using the search feature:

I can not figure out why so frequently old threads about selling your bike in Paraguay and Darien Gap sailing go missing. There needs to be stickies made for each of these common topics.

I sold my bike in Paraguay in early 2008. Here is the information for how to sell your bike there. The laws in Paraguay are still the same as when I sold my bike in 2008.

(((Edit: Hey guys, I wanted to update my opinion about selling your bike in Paraguay. There is a shop called Klein Motos (Klein Motos - Official Website ) in Asuncion that specializes in importing salvage bikes from the U.S. and selling them in Paraguay. This is good because they know how to do all of the paperwork to legalize your bike which costs them around $2000 in fees. This shop will make you a decent (no strings attached) offer on your bike depending on what type of bike you have. For my 2001 F650, 40k miles they offered me $3000. They will not give you any money for aftermarket accessories or servicing/maitenance.
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To Wercol
Thanks for that address mate.
Cheers Hugo317

No problem; can you tell us about your ordeal to learn something.
Buen Viaje
Wercol

So it's possible if you are a tourist to buy a bike from another tourist by passing by the country of origin of the registration of the bike (Canada USA), without doing the paper work, import the bike pay the taxes and be stock in the country (Argntina is one year without going out of the country)


My main question is How it's work ??

No. You transfer the papers between borders; exit one country, transfer, enter another or the same country with a new owner.

Photoshop is sometimes necessary. Transfer of ownership takes place in the country where the bike is registered. Bike is never imported permanently, and stays registered in USA/Canada/Europe. Trust is essential.

If you can't figure the details out based on that description, you shouldn't be buying or selling.

OK? There are old posts addressing these issues. Find them.

Good luck.

Mark

Mark I can appreciate that regular posters get frustrated when people ask questions that can usually be found with a decent search.
I have done the searches, for a couple of months in fact but everything I have read, including your post, seems to be inferred.
While I get the gist of the between border transfer I have read quite a few times, as you mentioned, Photo shop is "sometimes" needed. So is that to scan an existing title and photoshop the details in for the new owner? If it is needed "sometimes" when is it not needed?

Also do you in effect do 2 title transfers?. 1 photoshopped for the border exchange (where the new owner may not be in possession of the real title)and 1 legitimate transfer for the U.S so that the new owner could ride it back to the U.S ?

Is the trust aspect based on the fact that you may not know wether the guy you bought it from really is the registered owner in the U.S ? Are there other issues I need to consider?

Maybe I am a bit slow and mentally challenged so go easy on me:confused1:
If there is a thread which explains this clearly I am yet to come across it.
I'm actually finding that it is often easier and more rewarding to search the HUb through Google rather than use the sites search function directly.

Would like to hear from people who had any problems with this process at the border for any reason and some specific tips on the photoshop issue.

Maybe this topic should have a stickie as it crops up every week it seems and it would save you grumpy old timers from having to say "do the search"
cheers,

Jim

I am not in charge of stickies. If you want a stickie, ask for it. The contact information for the owners of the list can be found easily enough.

The information is there, if somewhat skeletal. Yes, use Google, not the site search engine. Work on it. It's possible that someone will do it for you on the basis of your asking repeatedly, but it's at least equally possible they will not. Personally, I don't want to be in a position of giving you detailed instructions on how to do illegal stuff.

What's more, anything I can tell you will be woefully incomplete, unless I write a book.....which I will not. You've got to use your head and work out the details whether or not anyone describes it to you here, because you'll run into unexpected details that I never dreamed of. Other people have done it before you, and others will do it after, and they've got access to exactly the same sources of information as you do. How do you suppose they ever managed?

I may be grumpy, but I'm not trying to be insulting here; I'm just tired of a few people clogging up every thread with the same questions. Take another approach.

Good luck.

Mark