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Old 27 Dec 2014
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selling a vehicle in Mali....

What's the official process for this?

I have a truck to sell when I arrive early February.
but can't find any info on customs permits etc.
Do we have to pay tax?
I believe it's stamped on passport on way in.
We plan to fly out without it....

What if it snaps on half and breaks down?
do you have to pay the value at customs before flying?


Has anyone sold anything lately?

It will be a uK registered truck.

Any help appreciated
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What if it snaps on half and breaks down?
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Imho there are more than enough scrappy trucks in Mali already -


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Hi,

Imho there are more than enough scrappy trucks in Mali already -


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It was just an example!

If our truck sells in mali but we inform customs it has broken down/been stolen if questioned etc.

It's a lovely truck! Just not financially viable to bring home

Aby info on mali/bamako car traders or local buyers would be good!
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Cars are not stamped in your passport as far as I now. You canb even sell to customs at the border. Finding a buyer: you could ask for Sylla at Air Algerie office. He asks 5% commission. What make is your car? And RHD won't sell easy.
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Cars are not stamped in your passport as far as I now. You canb even sell to customs at the border. Finding a buyer: you could ask for Sylla at Air Algerie office. He asks 5% commission. What make is your car? And RHD won't sell easy.
Eh?????....Yes it is stamped in. You will get pulled at the airport. And any car sells for good money there. Are you doing the Plymouth-Bamako run???
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Eh?????....Yes it is stamped in. You will get pulled at the airport. And any car sells for good money there. Are you doing the Plymouth-Bamako run???
eh???? not stamped in MY passport, despite many travels to Mali, never got pulled at the airport, you sure must mean some other country Tonka?
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eh???? not stamped in MY passport, despite many travels to Mali, never got pulled at the airport, you sure must mean some other country Tonka?
Since we're talking from experience, I can add one more person's experience from a couple of years ago:

Malian officials do try to add details in your passport for the vehicle you're travelling with - to reduce the risk of people skipping import duties. In principle, if you leave without the vehicle, customs officials at your exit point can ask some difficult questions. But it's also possible to miss the relevant border post/official at the entry point, which really confuses the people at your exit point who find a person travelling with a vehicle that's not in their passport, which is the opposite of what they're looking for.
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eh???? not stamped in MY passport, despite many travels to Mali, never got pulled at the airport, you sure must mean some other country Tonka?
So it must have been a dream...you got lucky and i didn't...as Bob's post just said.

Lets all cross our fingers and hope for the best...without people posting their experiences this forum would be nothing...wrong country??? The only thing wrong was your post. Why not just say your passport was not stamped???
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It is not just that your passport will be annotated with your vehicle details but you will also have to fill a 'Declaration sur l'Honneur' form - you keep this after it is stamped and surrender it at customs before exiting. I temporarily had mislaid mine and almost had my vehicle confiscated.
Country was Mali.
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'11, '12 and '13: 3 x the car was not put in my passport at the Malian border


Flew back home from Bamako 2 times, didn't have any problems. First time the guy at the airport saw my entry stamp (Nioro du Sahel) and asked if I came by car from Mauritania. I said yes, he smiled... ;p


If you're still looking for someone to buy your van in Bamako, you can send me a pm. I might be able to help you...
Cars are worth good money there. But if the van is RHD and you don't do the dédouanement yourself, you are in a very bad position to negotiate.


Also, as you know, it's illegal and you must be carefull with who you deal. It has happened before... Cops showing up, informed by the buyer, and you end up without your money for the car, without car and lucky to be at the airport flying home!
Also don't wait till the last days of your trip (or at least don't tell your buyer). Because they'll postpone payment and eventually show up with an amount lower than what you agreed.


But at the end, I think it's pretty safe to sell your vehicle in Bamako...


PS: Last time (driving from Brussels to Cape Town without carnet de passage) I had 2 passports. Entering Mauritania, my entry stamp was in 1 passport and the 'douanier' did put the car in my second passport and said 'now you can easily sell the car in Nouakchott'!
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So it must have been a dream...you got lucky and i didn't...as Bob's post just said.

Lets all cross our fingers and hope for the best...without people posting their experiences this forum would be nothing...wrong country??? The only thing wrong was your post. Why not just say your passport was not stamped???
I'm sorry Tonka, passing through Mali on regular basis since many ears I NEVER got my passport stamped with vehicle details in Mali, ever ... so yes, it must have been a dream I am puzzled ... can you add some details on how exactly this has happened? maybe a scan of the passport page where your car details have been written, or something? thanks for your help

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I promise scans of my passport pages in return

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Since we're talking from experience, I can add one more person's experience from a couple of years ago:

Malian officials do try to add details in your passport for the vehicle you're travelling with - to reduce the risk of people skipping import duties. In principle, if you leave without the vehicle, customs officials at your exit point can ask some difficult questions. But it's also possible to miss the relevant border post/official at the entry point, which really confuses the people at your exit point who find a person travelling with a vehicle that's not in their passport, which is the opposite of what they're looking for.
must say I don't understand this post fully:
how do they TRY to add details to your passport?
miss the relevant border post/official? what do you mean? you mean entering the country unofficially?
talking from your own experience: did the malians actually add the car details in your passport or not?
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must say I don't understand this post fully:
how do they TRY to add details to your passport?
miss the relevant border post/official? what do you mean? you mean entering the country unofficially?
talking from your own experience: did the malians actually add the car details in your passport or not?
Quite simply a stamp in the passport and full details of the cars model and registration number written in pen. I WAS quizzed about this at the airport very seriously. ( I did not sell my car and had official papers explaining this)
I have tried, as others have, to give the information as it happened to me...whoever reads this thread can make their own minds up as to what they want to do based on whats here.
As for the "copy of passport..show me yours and i will show you mine" to prove it... I like to think that i left that kind of rubbish behind when i was 8 years old.

I am now done with this thread...and i wish you all good luck in Mali...although it looks like some don't need it.
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Quite simply a stamp in the passport and full details of the cars model and registration number written in pen. I WAS quizzed about this at the airport very seriously. ( I did not sell my car and had official papers explaining this)
I have tried, as others have, to give the information as it happened to me...whoever reads this thread can make their own minds up as to what they want to do based on whats here.
As for the "copy of passport..show me yours and i will show you mine" to prove it... I like to think that i left that kind of rubbish behind when i was 8 years old.

I am now done with this thread...and i wish you all good luck in Mali...although it looks like some don't need it.
Exczuse me for doubting them. I will submit mine, give me a day.

Though it seems you won't be able to examine them, now that you officially exited this thread - seriously offended (why?).

In Mali (and elsewhere) luck is not a hindrance.

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Quite simply a stamp in the passport and full details of the cars model and registration number written in pen. I WAS quizzed about this at the airport very seriously. ( I did not sell my car and had official papers explaining this)
I have tried, as others have, to give the information as it happened to me...whoever reads this thread can make their own minds up as to what they want to do based on whats here.
As for the "copy of passport..show me yours and i will show you mine" to prove it... I like to think that i left that kind of rubbish behind when i was 8 years old.

I am now done with this thread...and i wish you all good luck in Mali...although it looks like some don't need it.
so, here are my proofs (for those unfamiliar with abbreviations RIM stands for Republique Islamique Mauritanie, BKO is Bamako)
selling a vehicle in Mali....-passmali1.jpg

selling a vehicle in Mali....-passmali2.jpg

selling a vehicle in Mali....-passmali3.jpg

selling a vehicle in Mali....-pasmali4.jpg

selling a vehicle in Mali....-passmali5.jpg

selling a vehicle in Mali....-passmali6.jpg[/ATTACH]

car details? where?
now Tonka show your proofs as promised, thanks

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moderator, please show some evenhandedness when censoring posts: I view "this kind of rubbish being left behind at the age of 8" as quite inflammatory too, don't you?
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