MOVED: Are 4x4 posts relevant to this site?
 

Just wondering...

In answer, yes, although the majority of us are on 2 wheels, 4x4s have similar problems with border crossings,and I believe can contribute very much to the site. One day some of us 2 wheelers may go 4x4 and apart from that they will be seeing and sharing photographs from the same locations.
:thumbup1:

Yes to the poor devils on four wheels...
 

I've come across them in some obscure parts of the world and many of them have been very grateful to Horizons because of the great info it has.:D:D

"better than all the 4X4 websites" I was told by one driver.

so lets share the info and not restrict it (after all, they need all the help they can get):thumbup:

Why not?
Ewan and Chas never set off without at least one.

They're the "must have" GS accessory :thumbup1:

I just don't see it..
 

I must have been thrown by,

"The Website Motorcycle Travellers Trust"

Just wondering...what's it to you?

Ah Yes...
 

Thanks Tiffany, you did make me laugh and Starbeck, yes I forgot about Ewan and Charlie.

I think I see it now...

In my experience its the 4X4 guys helping out the motorcyclists, not the other way round. I love 'em. I don't like what they do to single track trails .... but when someone's life is in the balance ... might be worth it. Often times sharing route knowledge is handy too. Or if you've run out of light and need to share a camp site. The Jeep guys have everything!

The best thing of course is most carry ICE COLD beer on board are are pretty generous with it! jeiger Sure, in places it takes them forever to get anywhere, but other times they float through without a care ... like in meter deep Sugar Sand in the heat of the day!

4X4 Guys are your best friend! beerchug

Adds extra shite to wade through when what some people want is a motorcycle site, not an all roads vehicle site, I suspect. Don't particularly mind it personally as long as people make it clear in their thread headings (which most usually do) that they are talking about 4x4's so I can skip 'em.

Don't 4x4s have their own forum area in the HUBB? All tech posts specific to 4x4s go in there and the other regional travel posts are sometimes quite useful (or as useful as posts by motorcycle travellers generally are).

As long as people post in the right forum, I can't see there being an issue with sh** to wade through. Just use the right area of the forum like you did with this thread. Oh ,hang on... sub sahara....4x4s ....? :innocent:

beerchug

Personally I think the HUBB left behind any vehicle bias long ago, regardless of titles.

Some bits are two wheel specific, some for those with more. Most just covers "travellers", and that I think is good. beerbeer

In fact well under half of the forums are bike specific :)

Based purely on my 9 months experience so far through Africa, I think 4X4's should be more than welcome!

How many riders have (or have heard of riders who have) had a 4X4 carry some of their gear through a really nasty patch? Or, like in my case, help drag my heavy-ass bike up out of a deep gravel ditch?

How many riders have enjoyed the comforts of home (cold beer) that bush camping with a 4X4 can provide?

How many riders have shared Embassy, camping, border crossing, etc info with 4X4ers?

As long as 4X4 posts are clearly marked as such, I think they can provide and get value to/from this site as much as anyone else...

A hell of a lot more relevant than this post is in the sub saharan section:rofl:

Okay, we all love the 4x4 guys..
 

We're all travellers and we all have our individual approach to the journeys we take..

I want an adventure, and to me that involves surprises along the way. What's the point knowing it all, having all the equipment and seeing photos of the places you're travelling to...
I don't have a gps or cell phone and I don't want anyone else to carry fuel/water for me.
I'm happy to get lost, I don't mind running out fuel in the middle of the bush, that's all part of it.

What I do want is to do it all on a motorbike.

When it comes to information I stick to what's relevant TO ME and that's from guys on two wheels.

I do like a cold beer though..

Happy travels, I'll toss you a cold beer on my way. Got one bikers baggage on board so not much room for another lot though wouldn't leave you stranded .jeiger

I wonder if you ride a bmw and only listen to their advice - yamaha folks don't know there arse from their elbos don't you know:rofl:

mods - please move this to somewhere even less relevant

BMW, did you even read my post...
 

That's a very kind offer.

You save your beer, I'm happy to be stranded...

Alasdair.

Just wondered if you were choosy which particular two wheeled info was relevant. Didn't meant to be contentious.
Have fun.beerchug

New to here (well not new but a long time lurker) and I think Info is beneficial for everyone, bit it on 2 or 4 wheels.
Despite being 4x4 driver I tend to read a lot of moto reports on here, just for information and I belive info provided by 4x4 driver can be as useful for moto guys.

Raf

Why not....
 

I wouldn't consider going off in a 4x4, certainly not on a trip - I'm too much of a motorcyclist for that, I love the smell, feels, noises etc that motorcycle travel brings, even going to the shops!

But I must confess I do like to read the 4x4 sections, we all see the same problems, it just impacts us in different ways.

4x4 guys are usually a friendly bunch, happy to wave, talk sh!! at fuelstops and over a beer, happy yo help - so why not.

I think, more and more internet forums are moving to a more 'people who like people' basis, rather than what you ride, drive or lead by a rope! I like it, birds of a feather stick together as they say.

Yes I like the way you have summed that up. For example single marc forums with the associated blinkered attitude can get pretty tedious.

I happen to like travel and any thing with an engine and wheels be it 2 or 4 (or any other number come to think of it) so long as it has some character.

Russ

Are 4X4 questions relevant on this site?

Yes, you can post them in the 4WD section.

Thanks Cami...
 

I was waiting for the predictable..

Mango, 4x4 posts are just fine here. This is not just my opinion, so how do I know? Because they have a section here just for them. It's not rocket science.

Their needs are often identical to a bike rider's needs. They often assist bikers. We can help each other.

And because they clearly, obviously have a valued place here, your thread is inappropriate.:thumbdown: .

IMO.

See, I knew you were going to say that Cam.... :laugh:

But Mango:palm:, there's no use predicting after an event; tell us now what will be said next.. or, better, give us a good horse to win somewhere?

Stop slagging off HU people who have a valued place here.....apologise.

Yes, that's what threw you. Probably.

Okay, I'm sorry
 

My point, and I do have one, is that I agree with (almost) all that's been said.

One month into a 7 month motorbike trip in Africa I realised that the advice/information (although accurate) I was getting from
some 4x4 guys just didn't apply to ME.
No reflection on the travellers as individuals but it became obvious that the mode of transport you choose dictates all.

Caminando, you'll know this from your Africa Twin travels.

Everything's different:

Border crossings, police checks, campsites, tar roads, beer, any roads, sand, mud...

So if it's being posted outside the 4x4 forums it should be pointed out if your 4x4 or on 2 wheels.

If that's okay?

I don't agree. If that's OK.

Bye now.

Wtf!
 

How are camp sites, tar roads, any roads different to you? So if a 4wd-er posts that a certain route is 700 km desert, unsupported, no fuel, soft sand, rough tracks with apple size stones, that is useless to you!!

What I read from this is that you have difficulty understanding and interpreting general information and apply it to your situation, maybe due to lack of experience?
:stupid:

You can choose to stay away from 4W drivers if they have nothing to offer to you, or if you don't understand what they are saying.

So you push your own bike when its broken down, don't shed bagage to 4WD when the going gets too though after days of extreme soft sand in the sahel or 1 m deep mud ruts in central Africa during the rainy season, don't hook up with 4WD to carry your fuel on long desert crossings.
Make no mistake, all of this I have done for and with bikers!


Like Caminando says, inappropriate. You post pisses me off. Saying sorry is at least something.

Anyway
Good luck and happy travels...

Noel

Agree
 

I'm with Noel on this one...

I'm a biker and 4-wheeler and have travelled a fair bit on 4 wheels. So I will ignore all the knowledge and experience I gained when travelling down Africa on 4 wheels for my proposed trip back up Africa on 2 wheels...

Yes, that would make sense now, wouldn't it...doh ?

It's up to you to do whatever you want with information you get from other travellers, be it 2 or 4 wheels. Applying it in the correct manner is normally the key. use it or lose it...it's up to you

Interesting...
 

If I had listened to all the 4x4 "Advice" I was given I wouldn't have driven the route I took in Africa and most of all I would never have driven the road north of Nairobi to Ethiopia...

It's easy to interpret usless information, ignore it..

Guess I'm not one for watching the world go by from the comfort of an air con cabin...


Happy Holidays...

Could you post up a picture of yourself and your machine please

Then us 4x4'ers will be able to recognise you keep well away from you as our approaches will plainly not be welcome when you are badly injured and need help , we can just walk on by safe in the knowledge we are carrying out your wishes

I think one of my biggest hates is poeple who want to be devisive. There is enough trouble in the world without creating more divisions here

Now please do us all a favour and start your travels NOW !

Happy lone travels

Rich

Any neither am I, no air con in my cruiser, windows always wide open, no helmet and no visor blocking my views and smothering the sounds of Africa. So you see, preconceived ideas all the way! You are so 1990's

And thanks for confirming that you don't know how to interpret information given to you! Sums it all up I guess. The problem is YOU, but I think you will disagree, despite the overwhelming evidence in the above 3 pages.

Happy lonely travels,
Noel

So, 1 or more 4x4 drivers give you an opinion on a particular route. Having done the route youself you're now of a different opinion: You have 3 choices:
a. Say nothing
b. Tell the HUBB community about your experiences so we can all learn
c. Suggest that fellow travellers are not welcome on the HUBB because they aren't in/on the same type of vehicle as you.

You choose option C :thumbdown:.... I have a sneaking suspicion you're not going to be getting much more advice from this community, whether bikers or 4x4 drivers.

As suggested elsewhere on this thread: Please post a picture of you and your bike so HuBBers can put a face/bike to a name. How about a Ride Report?

Good luck
Chris

OP
Are 4x4 posts relevant to this sight?

Yes

As for why, Grant said so. It is his sight. He has a spot for push bikes to.


To the rest
Why is this post not in the hub bar? This is a clear troll Op did not care if 4x4 are part of the hub or why or where. It is not like he must read every post about some road in Africa. He has shown that he makes up his own mind about roads to ride. This is a troll.

You all talk about driving or riding past him if he is in need but you know you will stop. You want a sorry from him ok I will give you it.


by
Mangochi Taxi
Sorry Im a troll but know my way is the best way and I am the best that there ever will be. I am so dam grate I do no wrong ever my bike never will brake down and fulled by gust my gratenes. The earth cools when I am hot by gust my will, beer flows from the rocks at my word. I am the DOG nuts! Hell I am not sorry at all kneel to your better! Only wright about what I wish to read as I wish to read it gust for me!!


Review by DLbiten
Wow man you think with all your grateness you will not need the hub but hear you are wanting to be spoon feed information about roads and how to ride them on a your bike then whine when you get it. "I would never have driven the road north of Nairobi to Ethiopia" You ride a bike you drive a car or 4x4. Roads change some times from day to day and you know it they gave there idea of the road at that time. You did not follow there information, good for you I do the same thing, so why is there a problem you did the right thing.
All your trips are yours to take you will live with your choice as do we all. Grant the man that owns this sight went around the world with out the HUB, the net, and had to make his boxes for his bike as no one made them. He had A map Africa when he went with that and local help he did it. You have been given free info from people that have been there GPS data any help you need and want all free. Then you come here and piss on all of it?
You have not been outside the UK far have you? You act like this away from home you repay people hospitality this way? There are places that will not take this even if you pay them. Many people are saying good luck on your trip I will be nice and say stay home get some help from some older people or your mom and dad about manners it will save you many more problems than is a post about a 4x4 or a bike.

ps. Any 4x4 that sees me I will take any help and beer you want to give me. And AC when it is hot all the better.

I was thinking last night in bed before I went to sleep (yep, I think of HUBB stuff on my way to sleep: I must be a real saddo :freezing:) that Mr Taxi must be a Troll. Never heard such an outrageous comment from an individual serious about travel.

http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/p...tcom/troll.gif

I think Phil was the best part of Genesis.

Hugs
C

George Michael for me all the way :D.

To Mangochi Taxi

I might not have Your great knowledge and experience but the way I see it advice is welcome from anyone. It`s up to You to use it in the right way and filter the info. Just becouse You had a bad experience with info provided by 1 4x4 driver (and who relies on 1 information only - always some more research is needed), but this do not gives You right to question presence of 4x4 drivers on here.
When I`m setting off for my travels everyone on a bike or not is welcome to the :beer and whatever else they need on the road (no AC in a 101).


OMG...I just feed a troll :D


Raf

All good..
 

Thanks guys, again, the information was no use to me at all...

I'll happily leave you to your section of this "Motorcycle" website.

It's almost time for me to head off anyway, it'll be good to be part of the picture again and not just passing through it..

Safe travels.

:scooter:

Bye then. I’m missing your happy, positive presence already

Has he gone already? :scooter::scooter::scooter:

...nuff said.

Sorry for picking up fag ends but isn't this site really about travel, exploration and getting your jollies on the road? Whether you use 2 wheels or 4 doesn't mean jack, you could do it on a friggin unicycle and your input would still be valid, and welcome, here.

Shall we as Grant to start a new sub-forum for this mode of transport? jeiger :innocent::offtopic:

.The point.
 

doh I did leave myself open to all the above...

You are all correct, Horizons Unlimited is a forum for Travellers
(irrespective of their mode of transport) and the advice given in posts can be of benefit to all.

I was wrong.

Alasdair.

See, he is a nice guy after all - I will offer him a beer when I see him and I hope he'll accept:palm:

Unicycle :)
 

You might think this is a joke, well its not, check this out, Unicyles through Africa :eek3:.

Unicycle Kenya & Tanzania | Escape Adventures | Guided Cycling Holidays & Mountain Bike Tours

Reality is always weirder than your wildest fantasy! :D

Cheers,

Noel

Better to live in, and travel through, an inclusive world than an exclusive one, even though some folk talk in a strange way, are a different colour, eat funny things(often without a knife and fork!), wear the strangest clothes, live life to a different rhythm with different priorities and outlooks. It seems that some even have two too many wheels to fit in to what some would deem normal, though if you are a committed unicyclist or a rambler just think of the vast population you can get on your high horse about, that's providing you can manage to extricate your head from your arse.

whats the say the same info from a 2 wheel friend wouldn't be the same? people's perception of terrain is all the same no matter what they drive/ride.

I didn't realise there was so much dislike for 4wd. I will think long and hard from now on on offering water/beer or kit lifts.

thanks for opening my eyes.

G

ps. some of us dont have air con.

dislike?
 

Hi Grifdowg,

Please don't be disappointed !!!!! If you read all of the above posts carefully you'll see there is NO dislike of 4WD at all, only the this Taxi caricature is speaking ill of 4Wders! All others are defending the Hubb as a platform for all independent travellers, 4 wheel, 2 wheel, 1 wheel or what ever wheels!


cheers,
Noel

Amazingly enough, it's a place for motorcycles, 4X4s and bicycles:thumbup1:. So if you don't want this kind of site..........!
Maybe it's only you who thinks HU has "shite to wade through"? :nono: