Need Help! - CPT Insurance in AUS for Jeep and Trailer under Carnet from US
 

Hello,

UPDATE after searching:
I see this issue has come up before and the problem appears to remain the same.
We will be porting in Sydney (NSW) and I can confirm that NSW does NOT require CTP for overseas vehicles in the state while under a Carnet. However, we plan to tour through every state.
If I could find a legal reference for the inter-state agreement where meeting the requirements in one state satisfies the requirements in all, that might also be helpful.

I am brand new here but was referred to the site by a friend of some regular travellers.
My wife and I are shipping our Jeep and Trailer to Australia under a Carnet CPD and will be touring the country for approximately 6 months (May - Dec).
I've been able to confirm every individual state's requirements and all allow a foreign registered vehicle to be used under the foreign registration so long as it is in the country legally under a Carnet (which we will be) and in all cases the vehicle is exempt from needing to be registered in Australia.
However, (nearly) every state also requires that we have Compulsory Third Party (CTP) insurance.

I have contacted numerous agencies in Australia and none can provide insurance unless the vehicle is registered in Australia.

I'm looking for assistance on how to obtain CTP coverage for our vehicle without it needing to be registered.

Many thanks in advance.
Greg

I understand the challenge. We shipped into Brisbane and out again later (12 months from home - door to door).

FInding out how to get CTP insurance took a while (local authorities, federal authorities, AAA, you name it).

Here's the summary:

CTP from one state (or territory) covers you for all of them.

CdP covers you in terms of legality in the whole country (although don't have any modifications or kit which are against Australia traffic law. If you do you can expect problems).

We obtained CTP insurance from SUNCORP in Queensland - no problem. They knew that it was a foreign vehicle and were happy to issue the policy.

PS: you don;t have to worry about road tolls - they don;t bother trying to collect tolls from the tiny number of foreign vehicles in the country. We set up an account, put 40 dollars in it, and were never charged anything - we must have passed hundreds of toll points (all number plate recognition).

Thank you very much! That was very helpful.

I had found through the Queensland Government website regarding overseas vehicles being used temporarily in Queensland a link to a list of insurers to contact regarding CPD. Suncorp was at the top of that list :)
From the Suncorp link, it appears they have a specific option for CTP for unregistered vehicles. I have yet to contact them since it is now Saturday there but will be calling them first thing Monday to learn more.

I do have a lift on the Jeep and larger tires; however, the lift height and suspension travel increase is in compliance with the allowed modification limit per NSW Light Vehicles Modification standard (VSI.06, Rev. 3). The NSW modification limit is not more than 33% of original travel (was 7.88" is now 8.75" or only 11% increase), and is also only 2" (50mm) higher than stock (but actually not higher than the highest OEM option available).

The tire size is larger than it was stock but not larger than the largest size offered (315/70R17) by the manufacturer. The size over stock is also only 5.6% larger and the NSW Modification limit is 7% (was 285/70R17).

Wheel size is right at the limit (25mm over largest size offered by the manf.). Original was 7.5" wide. Largest size offered by the manf is 8" and it is currently fitted with 9".

For my trailer, I actually got it approved and added to the Register of Approved Vehicles (RAV) in Australia. I happens that there is a fairly broad exemption for home made trailers (which mine is) but the trailer was in substantial compliance with the nearly all of the requirements regardless.

Our Montero has a 50mm lift and Dobinson's suspension - as you say, not a problem. We have a winch at the front, and added a cover to the winch to ensure that it could not be seen as a "dangerous protrusion".

No police checks anywhere. We found it most amusing to go into a workshop for service and see the mechanic jump into the care and discover that there was no steering wheel ... "Hey, mate - your steering wheel's on the wrong side!"...

Hey guys,

As your travel and research is very up to date, maybe you can help us with our question!

We will be flying two 50cc mopeds from Germany to Brisbane shortly and are also researching what we need to legally ride them through Australia.
In 2012 we already travelled through Australia on two motorcycles during our round the world trip, but things may have changed since then...

As you wrote, we need CTP insurance and will try the company you mentioned.
As you also wrote, we don't need to register them as they are covered under a CDP for up to 12 months.

BUT do you or anyone else here on the forum know if we need to have the bikes inspected to get a "safety certificate" or is this not necessary for foreign vehicles under a CDP?

We found this page from the Queensland Government: https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/reg...ister/overseas
And to us it sounds like we only need CTP insurance as long as we can guarantee the bikes have working lights and breaks, but there's no need to have them officially inspected. Or are we misunderstanding the requirements?

Your advice would be much appreciated!

Kind regards
Bea & Helmut

PS: By the way, if you're wondering why we're taking 50cc mopeds to Australia and what we're planning to do with them, please have a look at our blog -> https://www.timetoride.de/the-great-outback-challenge/

We had no safety inspection requirement. I believe that as long as the mopeds are legal where they're registered, and meet basic safety requirements in Australia (no dangerous protrusions, for example) you should not need any inspection and will not run into any problems.

re "...it sounds like we only need CTP insurance as long as we can guarantee the bikes have working lights and breaks..." you DO need CTP (and it would not be a good idea to ride uninsured).

Thanks for sharing your experiences, guys! It confirms our assumptions.

And yes, what we meant to say about the CTP insurance is that it is of course mandatory, but according to the Queensland Government link, this is the only requirement they have for foreign vehicles under the cover of a CDP, as long as these vehicles are roadworthy and all essential safety features (lights, breaks..) are working.
So no inspection or safety certificate is required, which is great news as it saves us a lot of time and money.

Have a good trip and maybe see you on the road soon!


Cheers,
Bea & Helmut