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AliBaba 3 Jan 2011 22:42
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Originally Posted by shadowraven (Post 317914)

Aaarghhhh! Clean it:nono::nono::nono:

The Raven 3 Jan 2011 23:34
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Originally Posted by AliBaba (Post 317918)
Aaarghhhh! Clean it:nono::nono::nono:

Doing one better, taking it off and letting a powder coater do their magic :yes::boat:

AliBaba 4 Jan 2011 08:26
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Originally Posted by shadowraven (Post 317924)
Doing one better, taking it off and letting a powder coater do their magic :yes::boat:
Will the powder coater remove all the dust that falls into your engine when you remove the cover?

The Raven 4 Jan 2011 13:43
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Originally Posted by AliBaba (Post 317948)
Will the powder coater remove all the dust that falls into your engine when you remove the cover?
Hmmm, good point....never thought of that. :unsure:

Martyn Tilley 4 Jan 2011 18:12
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Originally Posted by shadowraven (Post 317761)
Martyn,
Thank you for the advice. Yeah the battery was number 3 thing removed following the seat and tool box. You mention the resettable breakers. Please elaborate. I'm quite interested in the modification.
Adam

My pleasure.... here ya go! ATC Circuit Breakers

The Raven 4 Jan 2011 21:07
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Originally Posted by Martyn Tilley (Post 318009)
My pleasure.... here ya go! ATC Circuit Breakers
Thank you, they look pretty physically big, are they?

Martyn Tilley 5 Jan 2011 04:12
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Originally Posted by shadowraven (Post 318041)
Thank you, they look pretty physically big, are they?
they are longer ( or taller whichever way ya wanna look at it....) but it is easy enough to extend the lid of a fuse box, as long as u have the room... I would make every effort possible to use the them, saves a LOT of hassle.

M

Dodger 5 Jan 2011 05:48
Have you thought about replacing the alternator with a permanent magnet type?
You would get rid of diode board problems as well as any potential problems caused by breakdown of the rotor windings and carbon brushes .

Redboots 5 Jan 2011 16:53
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Originally Posted by shadowraven (Post 318041)
Thank you, they look pretty physically big, are they?
Maby this sort of thing is better Pico 5575pt Master BATT Isolator Switch

or this: Battery isolator - removable key in the �on� or �off� position

Cheers,
John

The Raven 5 Jan 2011 19:13
1/4/11 update

Today I pulled the pod, handbars and front fender.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_xRqdeMG80P4/TS...0/IMG_0125.JPG

Took the center stand off too and made it fun to further support the bike on the lift.
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_xRqdeMG80P4/TS...0/IMG_0128.JPG

I have wires all over the place, it will be fun on reassembly.... fortunately I can read a schematic like a comic book.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_xRqdeMG80P4/TS...0/IMG_0126.JPG

I have a pile of stuff to order, but will do so later as I want one box to come

1/5/11 Update

Finally pulled apart the throttle and master cylinder. It's a 13mm and a MESS
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_xRqdeMG80P4/TS...0/IMG_0111.JPG

Cleaned up the shed some more. I found that in a small space, orginization is key
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_xRqdeMG80P4/TS...0/IMG_0135.JPG


One big thing, my heater came. Mr Heater Big Buddy. There is one thing working in the cold shed in the middel of winter. Something else freezing your butt off.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_xRqdeMG80P4/TS...0/IMG_0123.JPG

Seems to work pretty well. Here are a could shots of it being onfor about a half hour.
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_xRqdeMG80P4/TS...0/IMG_0129.JPG
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_xRqdeMG80P4/TS...0/IMG_0136.JPG

The heater came in a pretty big box, so had the opportunity to have a place for my powder coating candidates
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_xRqdeMG80P4/TS...0/IMG_0127.JPG

One question: It was on the exhaust to prevent the cover from potentially being damaged. I could not find it on the schematic, how it mounts etc etc. It was held on with a pipe clamp Anyone have any ideas?
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_xRqdeMG80P4/TS...0/IMG_0133.JPG
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_xRqdeMG80P4/TS...0/IMG_0134.JPG

The Raven 5 Jan 2011 19:24
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Originally Posted by Dodger (Post 318078)
Have you thought about replacing the alternator with a permanent magnet type?
You would get rid of diode board problems as well as any potential problems caused by breakdown of the rotor windings and carbon brushes .
I ended up with a 450w Omega. I got a deal, $100 less than the perm magnet system

Did some research on that charge system.

Found out a couple points that I like on the Omega vs the Endura

Cons of Endura:

1. The Endra possibly won't work with bad battery...or no battery? So no charging a flat battery. Makes sense with a kickstart.
2. Replacement parts and hard to diagnose issues.
3. Heard to be Noisy
4. No replacement parts available, need to spend another $500USD to replace

Cons of Omega:

1. more parts to fail
2. Replacement parts only available from Rick, not from dealer
3. charges best at speed

Pros of Endura:
1. Few Parts to fail
2. Charges all the time close to max
3. Frees up room in charge section.
4. Less connections to fail.

Pros of Omega:
1. More ultimate power
2. Will run a batteryless bike.
3. Easy to diagnose by maintaining the airhead simplicity
4. Individual parts are available from Rick the seller...yes a pro too as he sells good stuff and stands by it.

Conclusion:
Both systems are equal in benefit, it all depends on what you want. I need heated grips, gps, liner and gloves at speed. I also like the ability to start and run a bike that the battery died and I had to kickstart to get running. This kit delivers for my needs.

The Raven 5 Jan 2011 19:26
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Originally Posted by Martyn Tilley (Post 318072)
they are longer ( or taller whichever way ya wanna look at it....) but it is easy enough to extend the lid of a fuse box, as long as u have the room... I would make every effort possible to use the them, saves a LOT of hassle.

M
I may need to do some work in that dept. The fusebox location on the g/s seems like an afterthought. I'll have to look into it.

Dodger 5 Jan 2011 20:44
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Originally Posted by shadowraven (Post 318174)
I ended up with a 450w Omega. I got a deal, $100 less than the perm magnet system

Did some research on that charge system.

Found out a couple points that I like on the Omega vs the Endura

Cons of Endura:

1. The Endra possibly won't work with bad battery...or no battery? So no charging a flat battery. Makes sense with a kickstart.
2. Replacement parts and hard to diagnose issues.
3. Heard to be Noisy
4. No replacement parts available, need to spend another $500USD to replace

Cons of Omega:

1. more parts to fail
2. Replacement parts only available from Rick, not from dealer
3. charges best at speed

Pros of Endura:
1. Few Parts to fail
2. Charges all the time close to max
3. Frees up room in charge section.
4. Less connections to fail.

Pros of Omega:
1. More ultimate power
2. Will run a batteryless bike.
3. Easy to diagnose by maintaining the airhead simplicity
4. Individual parts are available from Rick the seller...yes a pro too as he sells good stuff and stands by it.

Conclusion:
Both systems are equal in benefit, it all depends on what you want. I need heated grips, gps, liner and gloves at speed. I also like the ability to start and run a bike that the battery died and I had to kickstart to get running. This kit delivers for my needs.
Glad you are happy with your purchase .
I may have misunderstood the workings of the Enduralast alternator .
I had believed it to be a permanent magnet alternator .If this is the case then it will charge a flat battery and also charge up a capacitor to use in a batteryless system .
Kick starting shouldn't be a problem ,if you have the necessary muscles .
Provided that the alternator does not fly apart ,there is nothing to go wrong with a permanent magnet system ,other than the reg/ rect failing .

The Raven 6 Jan 2011 01:09
The enduralast was my first choice, but this one came first so I bought it. My evaluation was based on what I've read in reports. I have read of omegas failing too.
If I break down, I go fishing, take a well needed break, etc etc. I never travel with an agenda or timeline. Too dangerous and kills the fun. You see things at 35mph that you don't see at 60 mph and things at 60 you don't see at 80. Life is too short to rush :D



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Originally Posted by Dodger (Post 318196)
Glad you are happy with your purchase .
I may have misunderstood the workings of the Enduralast alternator .
I had believed it to be a permanent magnet alternator .If this is the case then it will charge a flat battery and also charge up a capacitor to use in a batteryless system .
Kick starting shouldn't be a problem ,if you have the necessary muscles .
Provided that the alternator does not fly apart ,there is nothing to go wrong with a permanent magnet system ,other than the reg/ rect failing .

Martyn Tilley 6 Jan 2011 03:20
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Originally Posted by Redboots (Post 318149)
John, the reason I suggested to Shadowraven about the resettable breakers instead of fuses is that you can ALWAYS reset a breaker, it the fuse goes, if no breaker then you have to have spares or a way of completing the circuit, although your suggestion of battery isolator is a brilliant one as it stops the bike being started when you are away from the bike....


M


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