I like the look of the Wolfman Rocky Mountain panniers. There doesn't seem to be much information around these. Much bigger than the Expedition panniers which is what most are after.

Very nice looking bags! Have you managed to use them?
I wonder if they can be mounted using over (or under) seat straps rather than
attaching to racks? In my experience ... racks break when supporting entire weight of bags.

bier

I do both. They have two over seat straps that I actually use under the seat since I carry a pillion.

The maker tells me that they shouldn't be used with only those two straps. I guess if the bags were heavily loaded then over time only using those two straps might be an issue. They seem robust enough for me though.

They also have 5 mini straps each for attaching to pannier frames. I only have the Dirtbagz pannier frames so that means that I don't use the top mini attachment.

A good friend, here in horizons unlimited, suggest me those x-military bags..

They work fine with 2 ortlieb dry bags inside!!

And the price.....Unbeatable only £45.00.:thumbup1:


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I have the same ones ;)

If you get the second hand one's, they're only £30.

Not waterproof but almost bullet proof. Just put your gear in cheap roll bags and you're ready to go.

Mine have outlasted and outcrashed many other's costing TEN TIMES as much. And they look hard core too hah

Nice looking 'low-profile' bags. Silvermans (on ebay UK) sell them.

According to their measurements they add up to 17.5 litres + the very handy exterior pockets, but as they hint and as discovered here: Exactly how big is soft baggage? that measurement can be misleading.
Used something similar in my early days but found that canvas can burn rather than melt which is why a rack (as shown) or some sort of pipe separation is a good idea.

They're BIG. you can fit a lot in them. Maybe too big is you can't restrain your packing. The side pockets are great too.

And yes. From Silverman's.

Those canvas bags are a good, low cost option! :thumbup1:

Similar to our military surplus bags too. In the US we have a product called "Scotch Guard" (made by 3M). Works pretty good on canvas, making it waterproof or at least "resistant". Needs to be reapplied every season. Not 100% but really helps in my experience using it for decades.

Scotch Guard used in combo with water proof inner bags ... should work out OK. Inner bags are good in any case. Quick to grab and go at Hotel or campsite, keeps goods clean, dry and organized ... which for me is the best part. I hate digging through duffle bags.

Yip..separate dry bags is perfect. Just grabbing a hand full of bags is so much nicer than portaging panniers..

How so? You just Chuck them over your shoulder and have hands free to open doors or sign in or whatever.

That works fine if they're clean and dry and just thrown over the bike like horse bags.
But if they're covered in mud and muck and lashed to the rack or bike in a not very q/d manner and you're worn out and heading into the Magadan Hilton for a well-earned treat, it's so much easier to avoid all the fumbling and whip out the clean inner bags, hook them together, walk up to reception and clang the bell.

Depends where you are. If you're camping or parked up somewhere half secure then yeah, I just throw the inner bags over my should (they have shoulder straps) and into my tent or room. That leaves a hand free for my tank bag, gps, keys etc etc. Only one journey required.

Or yeah, you can just unclip the bags (only four clips), and drag the lot in. Which is usually what I do.

I forgot you travel in style Chris. ;)

If the bags are covered in mud you likely are too though. It'll be an awkward affair in any case. But if the liners go back in easily it's nice to be able to do that.

I agree. With inner bags I can tote everything in one go.
I've got a rear top duffle that's got to come in as well, but the panniers stay put.

I've got panniers secured in a few places, takes about 5 minutes to UNDO everything. But with inner bags it's 5 minutes I don't have to spend fiddling ... Grab and Go! ... Same goes in AM. Inner bags go right back in. Done.
Very nice at end of a long, hard riding day. bier