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Moto Mosko Panniers
I just purchased a set of Mosko panniers, has anyone had a chance to put some miles on these relatively new products?
http://i1364.photobucket.com/albums/...ps60f4ab56.jpg http://i1364.photobucket.com/albums/...ps60f4ab56.jpg Not my setup, just a picture found floating on the interweb Mosko Gear |
Maybe you know, but they got a big thread on ADVrider forum Mosko Moto Soft Bags for Offroad & Dualsport - ADVrider
Actually good reading, show everything from first idea of doing this, development, testing, new products etc. And user reports, though most haven't had them that long yet. Also looking into buying their bags |
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I looked briefly at the Mosko link, beautiful looking gear ... but are you guys concerned by the fact ALL weight is taken on the racks and a LOT of stress will be taken by the mounting plate that attaches to the panniers? I thought such designs were ruled out a decade ago for off road adv luggage systems?
For 20 years I've seen racks crack, sub frames crack and break and breaks at attachment points of racks to sub frames. Old school, conventional "throw over" style soft panniers allow the seat to take most of the weight ... AND SHOCK ... does not depend on racks to support all the weight and spreads load over sub frame more evenly. And what about WEIGHT? Big, strong racks are heavy. With throw over panniers racks can be light. I wonder what sort of testing was done? And what bikes were used? At their site I see a KTM 690 is featured ... which does not really have a true sub frame ... correct? So how does that work? How will this system survive THOUSANDS of miles of rough going, fully loaded? I note that Colebatch's ADV Spec bags still use a throw over system. Why is that? Thoughts? Any long term comparisons? bier |
I looked at their stuff at Overland Expo in Arizona this spring, I thought it looked really good, well thought out. I don't think they are going after the dirt bike with lights crowd so much. At the show they had a KLR with their mounting plate adapted to a set of Happy Trails racks. But I agree that a Giant Loop or similar looks like it would hold up better on a dirt bike. The Giant Loop style is a pain to load, though.
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They are working on a Rackless solution as well, similar to GL.
They're also looking into riding suit and other products but they're not a big company, just the 2 of them I think, so takes some time. EDIT: See here http://moskoblog.wordpress.com/ regarding 40L and 70L Rackless solution (called "Reckless"), scroll down to 5th November 2014 |
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As for luggage frames, whether I was using bolt on or throw over soft bags I would still go with a good sturdy set of frames... The simple reason is that the frames do more than just hold the bags in place, a good designed frame will triangulate the whole rear end of the bike adding strength to the sub frame from the passenger seat back... The essential part in the design is to have a strut that comes from the bag hoops and ties into the frame near the riders foot peg... Because of the 690s poorly {for luggage} designed subframe, some of the luggage rack makers built their racks with double struts that tie into the foot peg area to support the load.. The luggage frames on my main bike on a couple of occasions over the years needed a weld to fix a stress crack, but never the subframe, it is still factory original and I often carry a passenger in addition to the load... I just fabricated a set of frames up out of 1/2" tubing for my project bike and they add about 6-8 lbs to the overall weight.. I laugh when I see advertised a tail rack with built in side supports for soft bags, with these things you can mount your tail bag and panniers on one unit that hangs off the back like a kid on a teeter totter.. There are no struts, no additional supports, everything just sits over the back seat- fender area.. These probably are fine on smooth paved roads, but over rough, potholed ground is the sub frame going to hold? http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...13IMG_1156.JPG My old soft luggage setup at work.. |
Bags look very good on first inspection.. I mounted them on the project bike...
http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...0/IMG_2892.JPG The mounting plates are beefier than they looked in the pics... http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...0/IMG_2893.JPG The mounting plates fit perfect on my home made racks http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...0/IMG_2894.JPG Bags in place, not too bulky http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...0/IMG_2896.JPG Clean looking setup, I like how the bags keep their shape http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...0/IMG_2898.JPG Back end view http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...0/IMG_2900.JPG A streamlined 32" wide http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...0/IMG_2902.JPG 1/2" narrower than the width of the bars, so if the bars fit through so should the bags... http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...0/IMG_2903.JPG With the Wolfman on the back |
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I've done a couple of thousand miles with my Mosko luggage, through some significant rain. My gear stayed dry. No signs of any stressing on any subframe or my existing rakes. The Mosko bags are working really well for me. Attachment 14354
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Yep, did a couple of thousand miles through France and Spain with my Mosko Backcountry 35s in October. Worked really well- strong, light, waterproof and easy to remove from the bike- no stupid straps over the seat. I expect they'll perform just fine in Africa next year.
Mounts fit nicely on TT racks http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...o/P9260096.jpg http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...227v2small.jpg |
Hi Island Hopper. Mine are on Aussie made MTD racks. The mounting system is pretty clever and the go on just about all racks. You'll probably find more info on Mosko's web site.
http://moskomoto.com/ The more I ride with these bags the more I like them. They are so easy to get on and off the bike. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The Mole panels are a great idea http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...9.jpg~original The GL tankbag almost matches the pannier colors.. http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...e.jpg~original The Wolfman bottle holsters fit perfectly to the front {or rear depending on bag orientation}, I installed 2 of these using 4 Mosko mole stix per side.. |
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Reckon not. You could easily screw some cable loops to the bacing plates to secure them, I just thread a long cable through all the luggage when I have to cross borders. So far no problems, people are generally honest, just keep the valuables in the tank bag and always have it with you.
Young miscreants in Malawi- pretty typical in my experience... http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/u...5/P1030475.jpg |
After months of use
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I purchased a second set of mounting plates so I can switch the bags between my 2 640s in less than a minute.. http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...0/IMG_3856.JPG These bags are proving to be the best luggage system I have owned by far for my type of riding, very rugged and non obtrusive http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...0/IMG_3801.JPG Talk about being able to carry a load.. |
After over a year of abuse the Mosko panniers are holding up well:
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They look great, and are a good alternative to the Kriega Overlander platform which I think is the only other platform based pannier system.
Too bad you can't buy them in Europe, at least not without mega import and vat charges. Mollydog mentions Colebatch's bag still use straps over the seat, yet Walter himself invested in a super strong sturdy rack made by Erik in Netherlands, that supported the subframe (like all good racks do) I don't support the idea of large panniers (30l per side) using over seat straps only. When you land, or hit a large bump at speed, all of the force is applied to the stitching which will fail eventually (ask me how I know). Additionally much of Walter's documented travels have been in damp, muddy, boggy conditions in Russia and the like, as opposed to fast hard ground and whoops like you might find in Morocco (I know he toured Morocco, but not with panniers), South America etc.. Not taking anything away from them though, and of course they work brilliantly on racks. |
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They ought to be cheaper since the importer would be paying wholesale prices as oppose to retail. When used to import Lacrosse Gear from the states, wholesale prices were about 50% of retail. Then add back the tax.
Importing as single sale you end up paying retail prices plus tax. Oh well. |
Yeah, and that arrangement may follow in time I suppose when they grow as a company, but I know that to start with they made a decision to sell direct only (there are no distributors at all) to try to keep the final cost of the product under control- I got my panniers from the very first batch and that was only summer 2014 so they haven't been going that long. They are complex bags made from really good materials and must be expensive to produce, even in Vietnam. I still think compared to certain pressed out aluminium boxes they're pretty fairly priced, and really they should be compared against those, not simple throwovers.
Once I'd decided to go for soft panniers I looked at Magadans, but straps over the seat are no good for my pillion and they're a fair bit smaller- more suited to one up on a KLR I thought. Also you can't take one off if the bike goes down. I love Kriega stuff, but decided that four separate bags was too fiddly and again they are smaller. The Wolfman ones are too small again and the mounting system is a bit fiddly, and I seem to recall straps over the seat too. Still, it's great that there is so much choice eh? |
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IMO, "super strong sturdy" = Heavy. I don't believe they really support the subframe, (maybe help lateral flex?) ... and we've all seen many rider's reports over last 20 years, #1 problem are CRACKED and BROKEN luggage racks/subframes. I learned about this back in the 80's on my BMW R100RS and XL600 (bent sub frame). If rack 100% supports bags, then YES, they will need to be strong ... but over time, may still crack. Clearly, soft bags better than hard, but nonetheless, can create a problem on rough terrain when rack takes all the punishment. Quote:
Would you rather have to find a welder to re-construct your broken rack or ... find a nice lady with a sewing machine to re-enforce weak seams? :innocent: Lots depends on quality of bags. Even Colebatch's bags came apart according to one report I read. I've heard he's improved newer generation bags. I'm stunned at recent prices of new generation ADV soft panniers. When guys are paying $600 to $900 for a set of soft ADV panniers, that stitch point should not fail. But why pay so much? For me, soft panniers are clearly expendable items. None will last forever used hard on the road. I've worn out a few sets. I've used 3 different sets of soft panniers over the last 10 years or so. Most miles done on DR650, which is now at 65,000 miles. About 25% Off road, with 5 separate Baja trips since 2006. Lucky for me none of the stitch points on my bags failed. But bags do wear, not all zippers are good, not all designs are perfect. BUT ... https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-...-qTJcG9j-L.jpg Tourmaster Cortech, 24 liter. ($50, like new condition off Craig's list) about 25,000 miles done on these. Not waterproof. (Scotchguard) https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-...-h2rgxGR-L.jpg Teknic 33 liter, $60 new, Really cheap bags but never broke. The center cross strap routed through handles, took stress off attach seams. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-...-BFGrvHT-L.jpg Teknic bags on the road. Terrible bags but never broke or came apart. Only put about 10,000 miles on these before retirement. Bad zippers, poor design. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-...-TZQ4MkB-L.jpg Nelson-Rigg panniers, 33 Liter, $90, new condition from forum member. Good quality, not waterproof, HUGE, more room than I need. Nice inner compartments. Note extra strap on carry handle ... takes stress off seams at attach points. Only two Baja trips on these, and several California dual sport rides with lots of Whoop de DOO's. So far doing good! https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-...-T6KS5FM-L.jpg Nelson-Rigg panniers in action in Baja. Only 10,000 on these so far. https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycl...P1030370-L.jpg Too large duffel bag but the Nelson-Rigg's did really well on this 4 day, 1200 mile camping ride in Sequoia Nat. Forest. Quote:
My goal going to soft bags was to trim weight off my DR650. I lost 30 lbs. from my GIVI hard bags/racks. So adding back in heavy, overbuilt racks goes backwards. My very light weight Happy Trail racks are only there to keep bag off hot pipe and attach bag, keep it from moving round too much. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-...-HMTrcgW-L.jpg Paid $60 (used). Light, tuck in tight to bike, strong ... enough! bier |
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Just make sure it does not interfere with elec. components, batt, critical wires. I can do it on my DR650 ... but don't need to and want to retain the seat to help absorb hard hits. I may place bags too low ...but really, low is good. (low and forward, if possible) |
No won't work on the GS- catches and stuff in the way. Anyway, most soft panniers are too small for my needs- nearly always 2 up- the Moskos are a great compromise between the benefits of hard and soft luggage.
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Finally got to test my 35L Backcountry panniers (have a backcountry 35L duffle used many times and very happy with).
And turned out to be a tought test, my riding buddies had racks snapping and bolts misssing and generally lots of creative strapping. In the meantime I was happy, no problems with Moose racing rack on my KTM 950SE and love how easy it is to lock the Backcountry bags to the bike (while the other struggle with straps). Had 2x 2l MSR water bags in the front pockets and worked great. In the Molle rear Pockets I had 2 fuel bottles for MSR whisperlite stove in one and tubes and tyre stuff in the other. So we were in Iceland which is pretty rocky. Every type of dirt road but probably the worst for bike and equipment were the larger main gravel roads in the highlands with washboards and stones in all sizes but going sometimes at 100kph annd above. Still, everything worked fine till the 4th day when one of my buddies passed me and stopped me and asked were my right bag was. Fortunately didn't have to go far back to find it (undamaged) but somehow it had unlocked itself and jumped off. I'm 98% sure I checked that it was locked and OK after lunch break so think all the shaking was to much. Then turned my attention to the left bag and it was in place but not doing that well. All the bolts fixing the bag to the plastic plate had come loose on one side. Straps were used to fix the problem temporarily and moved some bolts from the other bag for the rest of the trip. Used extra straps to ensure they wouldn't jump off for remaining trip but shouldn't be like that. https://scontent.fsvg1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...81051829_o.jpg https://scontent.fsvg1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...04061409_o.jpg https://scontent.fsvg1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...52558144_o.jpg So first thing will do when bike is back in Norway, is securing all bolts with blue loktite 243. Will also look into some kind of safety pin or something to secure the lock, maybe even adding another lock. Or just use a strap in addition to the lock, maybe simplest and best. Happy with the bags BUT they are not super light and with the rack the bike is wide. (Not that width mattered that much in Iceland with no trees and no traffic). But you do loose a few of the advantages with soft luggage over hard when weight and width is about the same. Oh, and assume they're WP but we had 7 days of sun and no wind which is not normal in Iceland. Had the chance when drowned the bike during river crossing but had taken bags off so lost that opportunity :D https://scontent.fsvg1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...68990644_o.jpg EDIT: Mosko sent me new bolts/washers/nuts free of charge, now upgraded with nylon insert Oh, and those lockable traps in above post probably would have prevented bag from jumping off. |
It's a fact that some people will go out of their way to justify expensive purchases in life and bike luggage is no different.
There are a dozen ways (if not more) to carry soft luggage safely and securely for a fraction of the cost of some of this kit that is available. I had a look at the Moto Mosko website out of curiosity after reading this thread. I appreciate that with a new business there are many different expenses and set up costs etc. and whilst the prices quoted are probably in the ballpark of similar kit elsewhere I had to look twice when I saw them. Yes it looks nice and many people will pay for the 'tidiness' of matching stuff but flippin hell............doh Thankfully I have hard luggage on the Beemer! |
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Anyway, if you change your mind, Mosko have made luggage based on their Backcountry bags for BMW, Atacama: http://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/u...-Luggage-3.jpg |
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Atacama Adventure Luggage...have you seen the prices? Are some people actually going to buy that???????? http://www.advpulse.com/adv-products...nture-luggage/ |
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Not seen price but Mosko is expensive and they sell directly to buyers, so with BMW adding so they get a profit I can imagine not cheap. But bet they'll sell loads! Personally, I don't care about the price as long as good stuff, I'm happy paying premium price for premium products. Best thing with Backcountry panniers, is that takes 2 Seconds unlocking and lifting them off bike so while the other ones are still messing With straps, I'm enjoying my first beer Worst part is they fell off and came apart...so much for Premium Product :( Guess price pay buying from (then) small company with product still under development. And they are quite heavy, guess as heavy as alu panniers. |
Second year with the Mosko's
The Mosko panniers are holding up great to every thing that is thrown at them... They are by far the most durable bags that I have owned, more crash survivable than metal boxes or single layer roll top type bags.. I use them all the time whether I am camping off the bike or doing extended day rides... They are still 100% watertight and holding their shape very well..
The only wear that I can see is a little bit of chafing on the roll flaps where they bend around the top corners of the outer bag... The outer bag is only a protective shell for the waterproof liner so there is no threat of leakage and a couple dabs of Aquaseal is the easy fix... I did notice the mounting plate to pannier rack bolts coming loose so I re-torqued them using loctite and no more issues.. The bags are not what I would call light but the convenience of the quick on and off the bike outweighs the extra pounds that the mounting wedges add...If you want lighter weight go to the Mosko rackless system... Images from this years riding with the Moskos: http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...b.jpg~original http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...r.jpg~original The side beaver tails are great for storage, I keep a trail saw {Silky} in the left side pouch all the time for easy access.. http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...8.jpg~original http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...s.jpg~original I mounted the bags in a canted fashion so they are a fair distance away from my legs for off road riding.. http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...1.jpg~original http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...r.jpg~original http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...d.jpg~original When I carry an axe, it fits nicely behind the right side beaver tail and is within easy reach.. I use a safety lanyard with a snap clip to make sure the axe wont bounce out when riding over rough terrain.. |
Mounting Mosko Reckless 80s on my 2nd 640
I have the Backcountry 35 on my Project 640 and they have been great, the only drawback is that they are fairly heavy... For my main bike I decided to go with the much lighter Reckless 80... These bags are designed so that they can be mounted without needing luggage racks..The wing pods on the bags normally slope forward and take up passenger space... For starters I reversed the bags on the mounting panel so now they hang straight down and stay against the side racks..
http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...0/IMG_8289.JPG My 2 gas bottle pouches will clip nicely the the rear attachment webbing panels.. http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...0/IMG_8292.JPG Finished now, just need some camping weather.. http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...0/IMG_8293.JPG http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...0/IMG_8294.JPG They mount pretty cleanly when looking from the back view.. They feel as sturdy on the bike as my Mosko BC 35s.. https://photos.smugmug.com/My-First-...MG_8361-X2.jpg |
Yes I have and on a Tenere as well. Fantastic setup for me, but watch for straps getting loose and burning on exhaust. PM me for more details.
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https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/...dry-saddlebags
New-ish budget dry bags from Nelson-Rigg: 27L per bag, comes with inner bags, lots of mounting options. $179 USD. Probably won't last 20 years like the $700 Mosko bags ... but do they really need to? :innocent: I've used Nelson-Rigg products in Baja, Mojave Desert and California and Nevada Sierra Nevada on my DR650 ... which is a bike that never breaks it's subframe. Bags have held up well. No broken zippers or straps. Inner bags are only way to go. Why would you ever bother to dismount your bags from your bike? Grab inner bag and GO! Panniers stay on bike! I've used several sets of Nelson-Rigg panniers, tail bags and tank bags. No problems, only changed them out for size/fitment/style reasons. The above ones look promising as a budget solution. At $179 USD, they are, IMO, expendable over a few years of use. Made In China ... (I'm guessing import of some Chinese products are banned in the EU and Canada?) https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycl...-h667-no-L.jpg Easy part of this Sierra trail ... GS's need not apply! https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-...-DpVKTXb-L.jpg Mojave Desert near Death Valley. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-...-55bRdrT-L.jpg Central Baja bier |
I had a look at the new Nelson Rigg Adventure style bags and they look 100% improved over the last design... I had a set of the previous designed bags and they did not hold up well at all... In fact on one of our extended rides one of the riders NR bags failed completely when the side blew out of them..On that same ride my bags started showing signs of separating from the bike mounting straps forcing me to wrap extra straps around them to keep them from breaking away from the bike... The bags were only 6 months old so I contacted Nelson Rigg and offered some suggestions on improvements but did not bother chasing a warranty repair as I was done with them.... I do think their newly designed bags would hold up a lot better over the first gen units I had...
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Plus One on that sad reality. :(
I've heard of a few failures of NR stuff. Thing is ... they have a LIFE TIME warranty on their products .. and it's truly a no quibble deal. Send in the old one and you'll get a brand new one in the mail. :thumbup1: Thing is, if the first one was crap, why would you want another?. So point taken. But hard to argue for the money, and most probably won't abuse the gear all that much. I've not had these issues ... but I've only used mine going up and down the Baja 1000 course a few times. doh Lots of stuff breaks in Baja, but so far not the Nelson-Rigg bags. (only three Baja trips on them with quite a bit of off road included). As I said, the Nelson-Rigg stuff are budget items. If a guy is riding a $24,000 BMW R1200GS or a $20K KTM 1290 ADV, then I'm sure they won't worry about buying the best bags ... and looks to me like the Mosquito's are damn good. Wish I could afford them. Budget Bike, Budget Bags, Budget travel. bier |
A switch
After a few test rides with the Mosko R-80s I was not satisfied with how they fit with my racks in place... I didn't like how the full saddle mount covered my grab handle which I use to pop the bike onto its stand.. I also like to run a variety of different sizes of tail bags depending on trip requirements and the R-80s don't work well with some of the bigger bags.. I ended up selling the R-80s and picked up a set of Wolfman Rocky Mountain bags for my lighter setup and then will use the BC 35s for longer trips...
The Wolfman bags fit the bike very well: http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...n.jpg~original |
Another season goes by and the Mosko BC 35s are holding up great, in the off season I patched up any scuffs and wear marks with aquaseal coated mesh... The bags barely have any wear and will last a long time..
https://photos.smugmug.com/2017-fall...MG_9636-X2.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/10-day-20...MG_9245-X2.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/10-day-20...MG_9265-X2.jpg Our big trip this year we spent most of it on dirt tracks, some pretty rough.. No hotels or motels, ride all day and throw up the tent in the evening.. https://photos.smugmug.com/10-day-20...MG_9545-X2.jpg |
Just bought a set of Mosko's.
Looks like you ride similar B.C. roads to I. Heading to Tuk this summer... |
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We will be heading up North this summer via a more unconventional route.. http://www.dualsportbc.com/photogall...13IMG_0985.JPG |
Onto the next latest and greatest... I swapped out the Mosko BC 35 setup for the 25 liter Scout system, the main reason was for the 10+ LBS weight saving that the Scouts provide.. They already have been well tested through this Summers rides and have held up well..
https://photos.smugmug.com/2018-Arct...MG_0323-X3.jpg One of the first rides with the new system in place.. https://photos.smugmug.com/2018-Arct...MG_0797-X3.jpg Over the winter I am going to cut the muffler side rack mounts and re-weld it so the bags are closer to the center line of the bike... I can not understand why HB built these racks so they hung out so far on the muffler side.. I can bring them in about 2 to 3 inches without touching anything. https://photos.smugmug.com/2018-Arct...MG_0805-X3.jpg With the way the pod carrier sling was designed I was able to fit a pelican case and tool tube behind the roll top dry bag against the mounting plate.. |
The bags all seem great but the photos blew me away, BC looks amazing terrian to ride :scooter:
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