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NearlyHomelessNick 19 Jun 2014 02:41

Sorry I was distracted and my memory isn't what it used to be
My visa has no mention of vehicle from what I can make out, when I applied for the visa the application needed flight number and or ticket numbers, I stated that I was over landing by motorcycle and quoted registration number. On reaching the border I had to fill in a "declaration" this required vin number registration model sect
I had this downloaded from the embassy website and filled in ready.....wasn't any good though as its a four page document and needs printing on both sides, ie. two pages.
No one told me Kazakhstan has a customs agreement with Russia so when I came to exit KAZ I had a shock and panic as to where said "declaration" was. Coupled with the border being in darkness due to power cut and the officer shouting
"Declaration, declaration, no declaration no exit, go back, find hotel, bye bye" it wasnt the best of crossings, so look after your bits of paper :-)
Entering Russia though was easy and very friendly, I entered from Lahansk Ukraine, a few days before it kicked off, no questions or interviews. The female officer was a cold stern woman when I first got there, after completing the paperwork she handed everything back and with a smile transformed into Sandra Bulluck :-)

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bratfred 19 Jun 2014 10:54

Hi All,

As my departure date is getting closer I want to start the paper work now. I just read that there’s one additional requirement from Ukrainians that seems to be troublesome.

According to Ukrainian Foreign Office to enter Crimea the "special permission" is required (for foreigners only).
On entry to the territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol - Statements and Comments - MFA of Ukraine

Does anyone attempt to obtain such permission yet?
I'm waiting now for reply from the embassy but if you know anything about I'd appreciate hints.


Cheers
Fred

UPDATE
FYI
I just received the answer from Mr Consul of Ukraine in Warsaw, Poland. It's very short:

"Please acknowledge that transit crossing of the temporarily occupied territory is forbidden."

:nono:

coolgreany 19 Jun 2014 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by NearlyHomelessNick (Post 470430)
Sorry I was distracted and my memory isn't what it used to be
My visa has no mention of vehicle from what I can make out, when I applied for the visa the application needed flight number and or ticket numbers, I stated that I was over landing by motorcycle and quoted registration number.

Thanks Nick!

coolgreany 19 Jun 2014 20:48

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Originally Posted by danielsprague (Post 470372)
You can enter with a vehicle on a normal tourist visa.

Auto turizm will be on your invitation if you are specifically being invited with the purpose of driving.

Whatever your invitation says, make sure it matches your answer on the application form for the visa.

thanks Daniel!

exrm193 21 Jun 2014 21:36

We crossed from Ukraine to Russia June 10th I think it was. The Ukraine guards wouldn't let us out unless we purchased Russian vehicle insurance. Green card they called it. We went into a shed with a bed in it, and a large lady who was very polite charged us $60 each for a form she filled in.......all before we got out of Ukraine.
We were never asked for it to get into Russia????....it all seemed a bit of a scam to us.
When I get home, I'll post a copy of it so anyone can download it and fill their own details in....

NearlyHomelessNick 22 Jun 2014 00:17

Exrm293. I take it you have no Europeans insurance then. Russia had been incorporated into the normal green card insurance, there are still a few countries not included but Russia is, at least by my insurance company. If yours isn't it will be company policy and maybe a reason to change.
Scams are abundant everywhere, $60 was a good scam how long are you in Russia for, insurance for KAZ was $1 per day...roughly.

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motoreiter 22 Jun 2014 05:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by NearlyHomelessNick (Post 470762)
Russia had been incorporated into the normal green card insurance, there are still a few countries not included but Russia is, at least by my insurance company. If yours isn't it will be company policy and maybe a reason to change.

My understanding is that many insurance companies continue to exclude Russia, so you need to check.

I've never heard of Ukrainian border guards insisting on insurance for Russia! Maybe not quite a scam, since you needed insurance for Russia anyway, but maybe they wanted to make sure you bought it from the border post commander's wife...

exrm193 22 Jun 2014 20:02

Maybe, but you'd think the Russians would ask to see it....we were never asked.
We're out of Russia now, it was a flying visit. Roads were too flat and too straight. It's such a maahoosive place it frazzled the brain!

motoreiter 22 Jun 2014 20:22

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Originally Posted by exrm193 (Post 470835)
Maybe, but you'd think the Russians would ask to see it....we were never asked.

Yeah, in my experience (I've entered Russia several times on a bike), they usually don't ask for insurance at the border, but if you're stopped on the road they will usually ask for it. Even if they don't ask for it, it is a good idea to have it.

colebatch 23 Jun 2014 07:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by bratfred (Post 470470)
According to Ukrainian Foreign Office to enter Crimea the "special permission" is required (for foreigners only).
On entry to the territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol - Statements and Comments - MFA of Ukraine

This special permission is called a "Russian visa".

But since Ukraine does not recognise the new border, they can not stamp you out of Ukraine at that border.

So if you want to enter Crimea, its no problem (I was there recently) but you have to enter and exit from Russia.

bratfred 24 Jun 2014 09:37

Even the embassy couldn't explain what that “special permission” is as they are just working now on rules and terms of crossing to "occupied territory" according to new bill/law.

Mr. Consul was pretty straight on this saying transit is forbidden and I'm not going to argue with him.

I guess I’ll need to give up the plan (for some time at least) as crossing Crimea from Ukrainian side was the only reasonable option for me.

hi ho silver 21 Jul 2014 08:33

Currently in Kiev about to cross into Russia
 
After closely looking at the situation, this American has decided best to move on.


Looking at border crossing at Sumy (UA) and stay a night in Kursk (RU)


Will hope the hotel I choose will register me to RU and hope the crossing will be smooth.


Kent

buckles 21 Jul 2014 22:12

We are off into the Crimea next month, I'm still unsure whether to ride through UA or northern Europe, Moscow then head south, this puts lots of extra miles on our trip but got to be a better option than bullet holes eh. Some people have got away with not having an Auto tourism Visa, but I would hate being turned away at the border on such a formality, also I was in Rus last year and didn't bother registering my visa at all despite being told that there was a $1000 fine so I suppose its whatever mood the guards are in.

NearlyHomelessNick 21 Jul 2014 22:35

Registration also depends on duration of stay. I booked into a hotel and kept the reciept, I'm positive that i wasn't registered at all, I was only in Russia for a week though
What is an auto tourism visa? At the border i filled in the declaration forms for temp import, my visa had no mention of entry method. My passport stamp depicted road transport entry, i presume if i flew in it would have depicted a plane.

buckles 21 Jul 2014 23:11

If you stay more than seven days in one place you should have your visa registered, you can do it at a post office, your hotel can do it for you too. If you fly in you are a standard tourist, to take in a vehicle is Auto-tourist, for this you need to send a copy of your vehicles identity papers (UK= V5C or logbook) when you apply for your RUS visa, the registration is then included in your visa.


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