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Toyark 10 Jan 2019 09:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by uknomad (Post 594255)
Thanks Bertrand. :thumbup1:
And in a poor French/English google translate.
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For the needs of counterfeit Circulation of means of transport,
customs service prints and defends the traveler a TA document.

You are most welcome Uknomad but.... errmmm..... NOT "counterfeit" !!! :eek3: ...... :laugh:
The custom agent will print and give you a document d'AT !


p.s Mods- can you please edit Stevens' image in post #9 as his details are visible- I'm sure he'd appreciate it.

uknomad 10 Jan 2019 16:29

:oops2:bier

Toyark 10 Jan 2019 18:52

The dangers of googling stuff! :Beach:

TheWarden 14 Jan 2019 09:33

So what do the experts think of the 2 bullet point at the bottom of the D16 replacement??


I'd translate it but we don't seem to be doing that at the moment doh

uknomad 14 Jan 2019 10:27

Google again. doh:rofl:


- The re-export of the vehicle must take place within the
validity period indicated above.

- Driving a vehicle in Morocco by a third person is a
punishable offense except where authorized by the regulations
in force.

- You can consult the customs situation of your vehicle on the
website of administration

Peter Girling 14 Jan 2019 10:27

  • No driving of the vehicle by a third party.
  • You can check the customs status of your vehicle via the website.
Happy trails,

Peter

TheWarden 14 Jan 2019 10:30

I can see that 3rd party issue catching a few people out. Wonder what the regulations say?

Peter Girling 14 Jan 2019 10:35

AFAIK, insurance bought at the border only covers one person, as well.

Peter

uknomad 14 Jan 2019 16:21

Also that QR code is scannable, which would seem to suggest the ability to scan the doc whenever is necessary, not just on exit. Mmmhhh.?c? :D

Numer0_6 16 Jan 2019 09:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWarden (Post 594474)
I can see that 3rd party issue catching a few people out. Wonder what the regulations say?

I'd be really interested to know more about that also ! I'll be going in Morocco with friends and 2 vehicles are in my name : The bike I'm riding and the car I'm lending to a friend... So he will be driving this car thru all the country. I've got a green card that covers Morocco for all vehicles and all drivers.

I'm sure with a bit of bargaining it will be ok, but it will help a lot to know exactly what the law says.

I'll try to find an answer to that and let you know if I find anything, but if you de before me, please share !

Chris Scott 16 Jan 2019 10:18

Quote:

So he will be driving this car thru all the country.
Well assuming 'the regulations in force' are unchanged, get your friend to import the car with your permission (DIY docs attesting to this will help).
Driving/riding someone else's vehicle with their permission (and loads of impressive docs to back it up) has always been possible.
Never had a problem when going it.
In your case it's even better as you are there.

As africanik said, it's just a TVIP, just like it always was. Sure beats a carnet.
So they can potentially scan a QR. Assuming you're legit, let them scan away.
In all my years, other than on exit, I've maybe had to show my TVIP once to a bored cop down south.

Numer0_6 16 Jan 2019 12:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Scott (Post 594593)
Well assuming 'the regulations in force' are unchanged, get your friend to import the car with your permission (DIY docs attesting to this will help).
Driving/riding someone else's vehicle with their permission (and loads of impressive docs to back it up) has always been possible.
Never had a problem when going it.
In your case it's even better as you are there.

As africanik said, it's just a TVIP, just like it always was. Sure beats a carnet.
So they can potentially scan a QR. Assuming you're legit, let them scan away.
In all my years, other than on exit, I've maybe had to show my TVIP once to a bored cop down south.

Did it before they removed the D16Ter, and I will definitely do it again in a few weeks. I'm willing to do it properly, but if I can't have official info on how to, I'll do it anyway : Worst case scenario will be an honest mistake and I'll be with my friend, so no worries.

PanEuropean 18 Jan 2019 09:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Girling (Post 594473)
No driving of the vehicle by a third party.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numer0_6 (Post 594592)
I'll try to find an answer to that and let you know if I find anything, but if you de before me, please share !

That's actually a very common limitation worldwide for vehicles that have been imported into another country for tourism purposes.

Many years ago, I loaned my Canadian plated ST 1100 motorcycle to a German friend of mine to ride for a weekend in Germany. The German traffic police stopped him, and he had to pay full import duty (about €2,000) in order to not have the bike confiscated.

The rationale is that when a country permits a bona fide tourist to temporarily import their vehicle without fees, duties, or taxes, the importation is permitted only on the understanding that the tourist themself will be using the vehicle for touristic (non-commercial) purposes. If another person - especially a local citizen - is using the vehicle, then it is no longer being used for the purpose (tourism) that was claimed when the vehicle was admitted.

Having said that, if, for example, a group of tourists were riding together and simply swapped motos amongst themselves while travelling as a group, or if the rider who imported the bike swapped positions with the pillion passenger, I doubt very much if police or customs agents anywhere would object. The key issue seems to be that the owner/importer needs to be with the vehicle at all times when it is in use.

This comment addresses the question of "no third party drivers" from only the perspective of customs protocol. Whether or not the insurance someone has obtained permits a third party to operate the vehicle is another question altogether.

Michael

Mark hadley 18 Jan 2019 18:13

I have been told several times that the border insurance covers the vehicle. By implication for any driver. Definitely for my wife.

Tim Cullis 20 Jan 2019 14:21

My concern when landing at Tanger last Monday was how long the whole process took. As usual only one person was (slowly) doing anything, everyone else standing around. In busy periods this could be a disaster.

With the old system the owner completed all the computer information, all the douanes had to do was to check the VIN number. Now the douanes have to finger peck all the information into the system and the VIN wasn't even checked.


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