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Just a quick thank you to Colebatch for kicking this thread off and to all the other contributors.
It's a long story but I had problems with a brand new GPS unit just a few days before setting off on a trip - but managed to source the maps I needed through the info here so am all sorted now and ready to go ! |
Has anyone used the OSM for Laos? I have just down loaded them but i am waiting got my Montana to come (just ordered it). I was just wondering how detailed they were
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OSM on Paper - OpenStreetMap Wiki I used the first suggestion and came up with Make - fieldpapers.org within 40 seconds .. you can do better by spending more time.. |
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No need to wait for your Montana Wayne
to see your map
Copy the .img file to a micro sd card Leave the card reader in your computer start basecamp it will find it- wait for it to load - then select from drop down job done Taster below Vientiane at 1.5Km and at 300M click in image to enlarge |
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OSM for Laos and Cambodia
Quite impressed with the detail on the mapping I got from them, plotting routes and putting in waypoints using basecamp is good. Should all be good to go when I get home and get my Montana
I just used the Generic Routable, has any one used the Generic Routable (new style) and is it much better Wayne |
An alternative
Looking around at my broad interest in "where maps originate" I came across this method of downloading OSM:
Free maps for Garmin from OpenStreetMap While it is fundamentally based on OSM it also incorporates topographical data from other sources, as described in the website. Not all of the currently available OSM is in this site, because it seems to be based on a version of crowd-funding to get a map installed into the site: Free maps for Garmin from OpenStreetMap - More maps I suppose it doesn't cost a lot and the website owner is doing some of the computer based work that is otherwise necessary. |
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Here's another website that provides an alternative access to OSM maps and these are also complete with overlaid contours, as an option. Home (talkytoaster.homeip.net) Based in the UK, the website owner naturally specialises in maps for the UK et al: FREE British Isles and Ireland Maps Home (talkytoaster) but offers to provide OSM maps for elsewhere in the world, at a price http://talkytoaster.info/payment-faq.htm Maybe there is a market for providing OSM maps to those who don't want to do it for themselves? |
Thanks a lot for information
Gonna use it! |
Over owning a montana for 2 years and having 2 of them, I have never been able to update the maps. Now due to this guide and some words of others I have managed to do it myself...:thumbup1::thumbup1::mchappy::clap:
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I have just joined the queue on OSM mapping for the map of Europe, although because of the size I had to do it in 3 parts :thumb down:
Is there anyway to join all the files together under one heading i.e. Put in the same Garmin folder so I can read as one? Or do I have to name them North, Central and South (for example) and keep them as individuals? Wayne |
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Then if they are all live at the same time and happen to have common tiles, any routing through these common areas may be suspect. Similar things can happen if a Garmin map and an OSM are both live together. Also daid that can happen even if they are just installed in the Garmin folder even if not livened up Best to keep them separate by moving them to a folder called say "standby maps" and move them into the Garmin folder as required and so liven up one at a time. Yes, there is software that will join maps together and eliminate common tiles, but when I tried it, it wasn't too bad on a couple of small countries, but just crashed trying to join east europe to central europe. |
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The maps are updated on about a weekly basis; just download and use the bits you want to use as and when you want to use them. OTOH, you could be travelling in the whole of Europe in less than a week, before the next update is issued. |
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Check your pm :scooter: for solutions but in a nutshell- you can join them together- stitching them up is an art form :smartass:, you can overcome the osm naming issue too. membership has its privileges |
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But yes, still best to download a new file just before you go and keep the old one on your computer in case the new file is missing tiles or whatever. Yes, renaming should work, but it doesn't always stick, but perhaps that is just because I had Europe, Americas and Australia maps on there at the same time and Garmin GPS wouldn't show the renames. Doesn't matter because they are different parts of the world so there is no ambiguity or conflict. Just makes the manage maps page look untidy. What would be nice is if OSM.nl could assign a random large number to all manually-selected maps because then renaming would probably be more reliable. I did originally download the predefined countries but found that because the various countries required lots of tiles around the boundary that were also included in the maps for all those countries, there was conflict at times which resulted in there being NO detail in some of the shared border tiles. I still have them on the SD card, but in another folder just in case. |
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Personally, I much prefer paper maps. But, we are getting :offtopic: from this particular thread. There is a thread, linked below, which covers my way of planning routes:- http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...st-route-81485 The first couple of pages covers my philosophy. |
Not that it matters all that much because there are alternative download sites for Open Street Maps, - one being http://www.openmapchest.org/maps/ - but has anyone used Free worldwide Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap recently. Have used it several times without problems but now cannot get the site to load properly with all the usual map selection options.
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Just used it Tony. All good.
Perhaps clearing your cache, deleting history and cookies might help.? Or change browsers? |
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OK Chrome works OK but firefox is playing up still. Strange.
Just about to leave Turkey and have a few Gig left on the Turkcell modem so just getting the latest maps and getting any updates out of the way.. Thanks. |
I have downloaded BaseCamp on my Windows 10 PC and downloaded the OSM as per the initial post. This is in a folder on a microSD card in a 'Garmin' folder and works fine on both my GPS (an old eTrex) and my laptop.
Rather than quit when I was ahead (!) I have also downloaded MapSource since my old eTrex does not work with BaseCamp. (I followed guidance on Wikipedia which advised that, once BaseCamp is on the laptop, it is then possible to download MapSource, which as proved the be the case). I have run the osm_generic_windows.exe file which has created a Garmin/maps/OSM Generic Routable folder with 67 items in it, 64 of which are numeric .img files (e.g. 63240931.img). The others are two small .mdx and .tdb files and an uninstall.exe application. When I open MapSource it shows no map available. How do I get the map to show up? Cheers Andy |
Free Maps For Garmin GPS Devices
I posted this in another section and people recommended that I repost it here.
=============== I use a Garmin nuvi 2567lm GPS device and take it with me wherever I travel. It's a car GPS. But I also use it when riding a motorcycle. I place it in a handlebar mounted waterproof pouch. Garmin offers regular map updates which I install every now and then. While preparing for my trip to Sri Lanka I couldn't find a Garmin provided map for the country. I searched online and found other companies selling Garmin compatible maps for Sri Lanka. I also came across a website called garmin.openstreetmap.nl which claimed to offer free maps for Garmin GPS devices. These maps are based off data provided by OpenStreetMap, a "community of mappers that contribute and maintain data about roads, trails, cafés, railway stations, and much more, all over the world." I had heard of the OpenStreetMap project before, but didn't pay much attention to it because Garmin was providing the maps I needed. But left with little option, I decided to try out this web site and see if the maps were any good. To get a map you need to choose the country on the web site and download it. I left the map type to the default (generic routable), picked Sri Lanka as the country and the map on the web page below highlighted sections that covered Sri Lanka. http://www.deelipmenezes.com/wp-cont...2_1053_001.png I then clicked the download link and was asked to select the type of file. http://www.deelipmenezes.com/wp-cont...03-12_1053.png I picked the windows executable as I use the Windows version of Basecamp software to manage my GPS. I ran the executable and installed the map on my computer. The anti-virus software on my computer complained, but I crossed my fingers and ignored the warning. Next I plugged in my GPS to my computer, started Basecamp and proceeded to install the map on the memory card of the GPS . I went through the wizard and the file "OSM generic routable(LKA_20-01-2016).img" was copied onto the SD card in the Map folder. I set this map as the current map in Basecamp and zoomed into Colombo city. All the major roads seemed to be there. http://www.deelipmenezes.com/wp-cont...03-12_1128.png I zoomed in a little more and found that the map had a significant amount of detail in it. Pleased with myself, I proceeded to add way points for my ride around Sri Lanka and created a route. After reaching Sri Lanka and renting a motorcycle, I strapped the GPS to the handlebar and was surprised to find the map blank. Surprisingly, the GPS was guiding me along roads asking me to turn left and right at intersections. It was as if the map was somewhere in the GPS but I couldn't see the roads. After some fiddling around I figured that multiple maps were active on the device and the OpenStreetMap was hiding under Garmin's map which didn't have any data for Sri Lanka. I deactivated all maps except the Sri Lanka OpenStreetMap map and the roads showed up on the GPS. I spent two days following the route I had planned and the OpenStreetMap map worked like a charm. The map was completely routable just like Garmin's maps and I could safely take detours and have the GPS route me back on track without any problem. garmin.openstreetmap.nl gets two thumbs up from me. |
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The map that you now get has more data, and is more upto date than the map you would have downloaded a few years ago. The map is updated on that site about once a month. It does pay to download the latest map just before you leave. :mchappy: |
404 Not Found...
All was looking good for my 1.5Gb mapset until I got the download link an hour (i.e. well within the time limit) later:
Not Found The requested URL /garmin/generic/08-10-2016/0df1c1faaf9471ec7d1b4a0431e9e57a was not found on this server. As suggested in the FAQ this was using Windows XP/Chrome, but I've tried Explorer and Firefox (and a second map request for Generic Routable (new style)), with the same Not Found. Anyone else struggling or has any tips, please? Ta. |
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I got the same as you, I used the link below to get my map Free worldwide Garmin maps from OpenStreetMap I looked on their forum and as of the 18 Oct they are saying there is a problem with the server. Might be worth logging on the their forum and asking when it will be sorted Wayne |
I'm still ok with the predefined country files ... as in download is fine.
1.5G ? what country is that? Or is it a selected area? |
All looking good again now - Lambertus emailed me back to apologise and say they'd had a hardware problem on one of their servers. Just downloaded a map now, though.
1.5Gb is most of N and S America, by the way :mchappy: |
Gosh ... the queue is 4.4 days right now !
Just requested a map and got this: "This request is #1067 in the queue. The delay is approximately 4.4 days." |
I downloaded Western US a few weeks ago. The queue was estimated at 22 hours - I think I was # 120 in the queue - but it actually turned out to be less than 8 hours.
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I've got the estimated waiting time of 4.8 days.
But the file was ready for download after just one day. |
It is usually much quicker than the time given I have found.
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I hope so! It says my map will be ready in 11 days!
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Olafs on my Garmin GPSMAP 64S
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I have just purchased a Garmin GPSMAP64S in preparation for a trip to Morocco later this year. I have read the attached messages and I think I may be incredibly stupid as I cannot get my head round downloading and installing Olafs Topo maps to my unit. Would some kind person please spell it out in plain terms for me what I need to do? I have so far managed to get Olafs onto the PC and I even think I got them onto then memory card but nothing shows on the unit when I look at Morocco. I heard mention of creating a file on the memory card so maybe I need to do that but would really appreciate a dummies guide. Many thanks. Ben |
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http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...-satnavs-72558 ? Garmins software (mapsource and basecamp) is not user friendly. And I think Oalf requires its use to transfer the map to the GPS. |
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Before you go making changes on your GPS - copy the files and directories that are present in the memory card! This is so you can go back ... if you want/need too. ---------------------------------------------- No action? Well looking at GPS Vector Map Morocco it looks like you can get aGarmin image file that you then install in your GPS (or your GPS SD card). So the question then is where/how should it be stored? And has differences between Garmin models .. so you want it for a 64S. {Note how I have provided links to what you may have done? That helps people to track what your problem is.} As the same problem will occur with OSM maps .. then How do you correctly install a Garmin image file (gmapsupp.img) on the 64s? On the memory card you copy the file gmapsupp.img into a directory called Garmin, or Map .. depending on what model you have. I don't have a 64s so cannot help you with the specifics ...but if you go look you might just find out what you have on the card now. More? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/O..._onto_your_GPS Explains about multiple img files .. |
OK I did it! and I am still working on the ONOFF button.
Was ready to download 19 min. after request. Then two hours to download. Copied to a file on micro SD card. Did not work, spent an hour trying to determine what I did wrong, found it, I had miss keyed the file name, Garmon dohwill not work, it needs to be Garmin:thumbup1:. Thanks for posting this. If I can do it anyone can, just spell Garmin right. One more thing off my list in preparation for my ride to China. RJ :scooter: |
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So am i reading this correct here, you can only have one map in MS or one at a time..?? I have downloaded some .exe files and a couple of zip .img files. I want to put these onto SD cards, can you explain how to get the files in to MS or BC from having them all together in the same file on my PC. Is it a simple case of dragging them across...??? |
I use mapsource ... with several maps in it.
I have genuine garmin maps installed in it, one for Europe, one for Australia and one World map. And I have two .nl maps of Australia - one old style the other new style. Then I have .nl maps for Vietnam, India. And then I have maps for Australian mountain biking, Australian road bicycling. And some other maps too! So you can have a great many maps avalible in mapsource, but you can only view one at a time. If you do a .nl 'custom map' then you are restricted to one of their 'custom maps'. And if you try install another .nl map that is an update of one already installed it will ask if you want to overwrite the old one, you cannot have both old and new (unless you want to start getting very complex!). I do prefer the country maps - there is some overlap with other countries so it is not too hard to handle changing countries. File extents ... roughly .exe files are mean for a pc. In an OSM/Garmin context they install an OSM map on the PC for use in Mapsource/Basecamp. .imj files in an OSM/Garmin context are for use in a GPS. If you want more instructions ... read the very first post in this thread. Link http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...eet-maps-64135 |
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For those who are persevering with Garmin and their software - Here's a guide to basecamp which is written in plain English, in the main. http://www.thebmwclub.org.uk/yorkshi...%20Rev%20D.pdf NB It deals with the use of basecamp but only with regard to mapping published by Garmin. But it does describe how to transfer data from a computer to the Garmin Zumo. A further note that moves a tad further from the title of this thread: https://www.garmin.com/en-US/learnin...er/basecamp-pc There are a stack of training videos on the web provided by Garmin about all manner of issues, including how to handle/transfer data. |
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Let me recap on what I think I understand so far and what i have to play with. I have BC & MS downloaded. I have some .exe files & some zipped .img files also downloaded. Can you explain to me what BC does and MS does with regard to keeping files ready to download onto a SD card. Should i keep one map/SD card or can I store several..?? I have my Garmin 390LM and want to keep it, it would seem many folk are or have been so frustrated by Garmin they use other GPS devices but i'm gonna stick with it. I only need to find my way here once and then it will stick with me but PC's, IT in general have and are so particular in use they leave zero margin for error and as my IT/PC navigation skills are so poor at the minute I need some very basic guidance . I will continue to read posts and self educate but please also help out on here. Can someone give me a basic generalisation of 'basecamp' and 'mapsource' please...??? |
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The .nl refers to a long web address where the files you have came from .. the Netherlands. There are other sources but this thread is about the .nl one. Web address can indicate where they are in the world using these .nl, .uk .es etc etc. I'm a mapsource person .. I have little idea what basecamp does. Maybe I'll learn the next program? Anyway ... The .img files will have to go into the GPS .. possibly on a SD card if your GPS has that capability. If you need instruction on that - start another thread. But simply the .img files are just copied across to the SD card ... no basecamp/mapsource action. Post #14 gives a little info on this. Probably some more after it too. I like to keep a separate SD card for each area - they overlap so there is no immediate need to change cards at some point, just when convenient. The .exe files will install maps on to the PC so that mapsource/basecamp can use them. Basecamp has the ability to use maps on a GPS ... if the GPS is plugged in to the PC. Again this is not really too well related to this topic - start another thread? |
Basecamp it is then.....
Ok, i'll go for basecamp then.
So .exe files can be downloaded onto basecamp. I'll try and do that for starters. I notice you used the term .imj..?? Is this the same as .img (the zipped files from OSM to be downloaded onto the SD card or what about the gmapsupp.zip file from OSM..?? Thank you for your patience Mez |
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I googled 'how to upload .exe files onto basecamp and yet another type of file popped up into the equation..... (.kmz) Sooooooooo many file types, such a steep learning curve, not giving up mind... Thanks to all giving input, carry on.... |
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Hence, stick with what you want to achieve right now; I guess you want those OSM maps placed on the Zumo = back to the OP in this thread and the relevant posts that follow that, concerning storing data on SD cards for instance. Everything else is just pheripheral and nice to know, eventually. |
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Don't know how clear these screenshots are but this is my files sitting in docs and my opened basecamp screen. I cant find the map down-drop bar as described by several 'googled referencies'..... It goes on.... EDIT; What do the two blue arrows mean in the 'status' columb as opposed to a green tick...??? |
Basecamp it is then.....
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Deeplip post of a while ago describes how to .exe files into Basecamp
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.exe means an executable file which means it is a "mini programme" of some kind (the sort of thing that anti-virus programs tell you to steer clear from and never download them or execute them!!) In this case, OSM executable will load the downloaded maps into a computer that is running/compatible with MS windows - step by step is in the post above. The original post of 2012 remains valid with relevant updates flagged up within this thread - certainly the technology does not stand still. ps I have added a note to my earlier post about guidance in using basecamp (and am about to add another, but this is starting to very much move away from the original purpose of this thread - as pointed out earlier). |
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Hi Dave, really appreciate your help here ok.
Ok, i have done all these stages as per your guy on last post but cant see any maps on basecamp. Are they supposed to go in to BC by themselves because they have a combined 'installer' programme ...???? |
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This is what an .exe file does. https://fileinfo.com/extension/exe Ref your last post, did you run the file on your computer (it needs to be executed, i.e. run, and not simply cut and pasted, drag and dropped or some other means of transferring said file between locations)? |
I've cracked it....
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I had a mental block with my PC and at same time Bertrand from here offered to WhatsApp call me and we just spent 2 hours talking me through it all. I have been playing around with all the basecamp features and settings, jobs a guddun...!!! Many thanks for your input as well, feel I've just spent a very satisfying several hours on HU and internet getting me somewhere very good where GPS travel is concerned...!!! |
Well done HU & Internet....
A massive thank you to Bertrand for helping solve my Garmin ignorance and getting me off the ground with basecamp and OSM downloads etc etc, can't thank you enough for your time and input today...!!!bier:thumbup1:
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Maybe drop a few bread crumbs in to this thread to indicate solutions to what ever the gaps are in the earlier postings that didn't lead you to your solution - for the benefit of those who follow in your wheel ruts :scooter: |
Well it’s embarrassingly my inadequate ability or what was to blame, don’t forget my initial honesty about this..!!!! One thing though and pointed out by Bertrand that sometimes the files from OSM get corrupted and are incomplete and when you double click to install them they fail to do it.
It’s ironic, I no longer feel like a Garmin Dufus, obviously I have a long way to go to claim any Blue Peter badges...!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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It is a long time since I struggled with Mapsource and I'd have a hard time remembering all the things I needed to learn to get it to go the way I wanted. MEZ while it is fresh in your mind ... write it down, review it in a week and make any mods then post it here? bier Not a mater of brains, just knowledge and that knowledge is gained in different ways by each individual. More on .exe file from .nl These files contain all the information they need - no more downloads required. When operated they unpack the .img files from themselves not downloading them over the net. So you can operate them without an internet connection - once you have the .exe file. They also make other modifications required to install the maps onto the PC system for basecamp/mapsource to use the maps. |
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It transpires that Wiki have a page that goes into the detail of how to mount OSM onto a Garmin device; it seems to be quite detailed but I haven't explored it to any extent, for the reason(s) below.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/...armin/Download I came upon that Wiki page from their more general one https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Map_On_Garmin However, reading some of those pages reminded me of why I settled on using a smart phone app for navigation use. :D It also reminded me that I have, more recently, switched from using the Windows OS software to Unix/Linux based Ubuntu. :thumbup1: Garmin software is only compatible with the Microsoft OS, the last time I took any notice of it. |
SD cards...
BIG Breath - especially with diving into a thread such as this that to me, at the moment, seems like a foreign language (as does Spanish after 5 lessons....).
Long story short, bike is being shipped from New Zealand to Los Angeles, we then plan to take 11 months riding South through Central and South America from June. I have the Gamin maps for North and South America. Maps for CA is my confusion. So; first step to loading CA maps onto my Garmin is to buy an SD card, correct? I have SD cards for my camera but they seem a lot bigger than what will fit in the Zumo XT (Zumo has microSD cards). I see that the Garmin maps I have purchased you can remove a small card out of the SD card that they have. Second question - are they a special SD card as my camera SD cards don't seem to have that? Third question, if I need to buy an SD card to download CS maps what size card to I need (I have 1, 2 and 8 GB cards)? Those are my questions for now :-) Thank you Kiwi Mike |
Hi Mike, sorry no one's answered your questions yet.
Installing maps into Garmins can be mind boggling but post Montana series is a lot easier than it used to be. You Garmin will run a miniSD card - like you stamp-sized camera card but size of a fingernail or a phone SIM. As you have found you can get big-sized holder/adapters into which a miniSD will slot. That holder/mini combo could be used in your camera or other big card devices, if need be. It's the same tech afaik. Go big. Even 8GB seems small. And go fast too. The other month I updated my old mini SD - class 3? - to a class 10. Much faster response, even if Garmins aren't known for that. |
Africa OSM Topo Routable
Have we had this one yet?
Who knows but recommended by an Africa pro. Africa OSM Topo Routable | GMapTool |
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I've been using the North Africa Topo for 5-6 years now. The latest update isnt very good on screen via basecamp but works well enough on the device. Another option are the Open Topo Maps but the way they rendered the map males using it on a Montana almost impossible as the contour lines are thicker than the pistes |
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Did you use these maps for your recent Algerian trip? If not whatdid you use? Thanks Chris Davies |
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Hi Chris. This time I used GaiaGPS' Topo plus Sat layer maps - both offline (sub needed) on a cheap Samsung tablet.
Plus of course, a lot of annotating beforehand. GaiaGPS' rendition of OSM data on the Topo layer is bafflingly good (same in Morocco). I don't know how but they somehow know where to draw the [right] line when it comes to splattering a map with tracks and other detail – a common flaw which ruins the clarity of OSM-derived maps for nav purposes, IMO. I'm not sure the (OSM) North Africa Topo would have been as good in Alg which gets little user input these days. Plus I experienced the novelty of live sat nav across the landscape – the holy grail of desert nav people were trying 20 years ago. But some mornings GaiaGPS would take 20 mins to connect with itself, and for recording tracks and wpts, it was unreliable, or perhaps the slightest touch of the screen stopped recording. A fixed mount as opposed to sat on my lap may have avoided this. If my 650 Montana had a brighter, bigger screen but didn't cost £700 to upgrade to 700, I'd use that (as I do on a moto). Southern Algeria being what it is and me and the driver knowing it well/up for trying new routes, we could pretty much navigate by landmarks (distinctive isolated mountains or passes) and find the best way between them. |
Hi all. Anyone come across or using https://alternativaslibres.org/en/registered.php ?
This is for a Garmin Zumo XT (not 2) and looking at loading maps for North Africa. Any advice on alternatives also welcome. Thanks |
I'm sure I have an alternativas Morocco map in my Montana and was discussing a collaboration with Carlos for Morocco.
One of the few good Morocco maps, iirc. I don't know an XT2 but this guy does: https://www.bumabuma.nl/motor/zumo_xt2.php May be some good info there. |
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