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ursula 2 Aug 2019 16:07

Cleft Hill LRDG airstrip Egypt Western Desert
 
could this picture help ?

https://up.picr.de/36419196hc.jpg

or the sat map ?

https://up.picr.de/36419238hk.jpg

the tracks are really mysterious !

https://up.picr.de/36420129xk.jpg

https://up.picr.de/36456788ud.jpg

ursula 6 Sep 2019 15:48

Egypt - airfields from WWII
 
Maybe you like my album "Airfields, Wrecks and Jerrycans"

https://www.flickr.com/photos/182588...57710065267072

Herr_Bünzli 25 Sep 2019 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by ursula (Post 602913)
the tracks are really mysterious !

Has anyone ever crossposted this thread to an aviation forum or the like? I mean no disrespect, but I think guesswork in this forum won't lead anywhere.

andrasz 1 Oct 2019 07:00

@Herr_Bünzli
I know there are many WWII aviation historians lurking on this forum, they are as baffled as anyone else. The tracks are unlike anything one would expect to have been made by aircraft of the day, see discussion above.

tony johnston 4 Oct 2019 16:01

I have seen high flotation,wide wheelbase,geophysical survey vehicles operating in Abu dhabi and Oman.Could it be this or,similar.They usually travel in a series of parallel straight lines so these should also be able to be seen.The circles may be corraling at the end of the day!

andrasz 9 Oct 2019 08:25

The source of the mystery is that the tracks are quite clearly single, unlike anything one would expect from multi-wheeled craft.

Flyingkiwi2020 10 Oct 2019 03:08

Interesting thread guys.
Any updates?
Or will it all be lost to history?

andrasz 17 Oct 2019 13:02

There are two images among the Arkwright photographs that might give a clue. They show a Thornycroft lorry dragging something on a long rope in the sand. There is no caption to provide any explanation for the purpose of the exercise, but that would leave a track very similar to the ones being contemplated:


https://fjexpeditions.com/desert/his...ht/FGBA_45.jpg


https://fjexpeditions.com/desert/his...ht/FGBA_44.jpg

Chris Scott 28 Jan 2020 22:48

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andrasz 25 Mar 2020 15:03

Mystery solved !
 
Watching the original footage of the Bagnold expeditions on youtube it became clear that these marks were left by the old tail-dragger Vickers Victorias of RAF 216 sqn. Unlike later aircraft with a tail wheel, they only had a tail skid which made a deep trough in the soft terrain, but the wheels with the rubber tires did not sink in. This explains the single tracks. The still from the video illustrates it nicely:


https://www.fjexpeditions.com/expedi...s_victoria.jpg

Richard Washington 25 Mar 2020 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Washington (Post 482207)
Could the single tracks be the nose or tail wheel of an aircraft? In a tight turn that single wheel might dig in more than the others.

Close but no cigar....

andrasz 26 Mar 2020 09:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Washington (Post 610403)
Close but no cigar....

Certainly worth an honourable mention... :)

andrasz 26 Mar 2020 09:46

Now that we know what made them, it is actually possible to see the tracks made by the main wheels on either side of the deeper tail skid mark on this photo of Ursula:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ursula (Post 602913)
could this picture help ?

https://up.picr.de/36419196hc.jpg


Richard Washington 26 Mar 2020 13:21

I keep having to remind myself how long those single tracks have been there. Seven decades or so and counting - with plenty of wind energy to move sediment around multiple times a month. Think of all the tracks we've driven out in the Sahara and Libyan desert over the years.

andrasz 26 Mar 2020 17:37

These are the tracks of Prince Kemal el Din's Citroens from 1926 at Uweinat (taken in 2015):


https://fjexpeditions.com/expedition...ov17/P2970.jpg


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