Price for Toyota Landcrouiser
 

Hi I will be travelling in Marocco and Mauretania from December till March. By the end of this time i will be probably short of money so i plan to sell my Toyota Landcrouiser 61 in Naukchot and continue too travel south(Mali , Senegal)Can anyone tell me how much I can get for my car in Naukchot?
Cheers Mariana

probably more than you paid for it!!
depends on condition etc obviously but TLC's have a premium price. Start at least double what you paid for it, maybe even trebble and haggle down from there. start at what you think is a ridiculous price, you can always come down, start too low and you can't go up.

thanks a lot. Do u know what is the best and safe place 2 sale car in Naukchot.

no, I've never sold one there, I have always gone further south. there are probably dealers who are safer. At least with a dealer you know where he hangs out, but it will drop the price. If you sell privately try and go with the guy to the bank to get the money out so you know it's not counterfeit. basically just be careful, same as at home, scams abound!!

Thanks a lot once again . One more question , if i decide not 2 sale my car in Mauretania and go all the way south to Mali do I have any chance to sale it there? Do u think its a good idea?

Don't know, but I am sure someone out there will!!

You should get a good price - obviously depending on the condition.

Try heading to Auberge Menata in Noakchott - its a good spot to stay - and mention to the French Lady who runs it (Olivia) that you are interested in selling it - she has plenty of local contacts - its a popular spot for guys bringing vehicles down from Europe to sell - you will probably see a few on the way South.

If you take it to Mali and head into Bamako or any of the larger towns, you will probably be asked if you want to sell the TLC anyway - if not just ask around and get chatting to some of the bush taxi guys.

Bon Voyage,
Cheers
Grif

You need a stamp (was a red triangle some years ago) that cancel your car from the passport...
It's done by Central Douane of NKC.

If you sell it in NKC, it is better to combine the trip to Rosso with a Police man or a military one, within his car... it's safer to avoid hassles and the larger number of controls along the tamrac

Good luck!
Ag

Hi Miriana,

If you are planning to visit Mali anyway I would suggest selling you HJ61 there. With the fuel prices in West Africa this wont cost you much extra. Mali has no formalities concerning car selling. So no hassle with stamps in passports. You only have to buy a local insurance +/- 40 euro.

To my knowledge Mali has offers the highest prices for a TLC HJ61 in West Africa. In Bamako prices range from 6000 to 8000 euro. Ad another 500 euro if you sell it in Mopti. Al depending on the state of the car of course. West African car buyers don't like cars with removed windows and rear seats so take these if you can. a nice car stereo with bling bling speakers will do wonders to :) Before you make the deal get clear if, how much and to whom you are paying commission. Between 2 and 5 % is normal in Mali.

Regards Dohan

Thank u so much

Hi Marianna

It's hard to say what the prices are anywhere. The easiest thing to do is to decide beforehand what you want for the car. Don't get fooled by thinking that you can get a better price somewhere else. If someone offers you the price you think is OK, thrn take it.

Another place to try in Nouakchott is Auberge Sahara, also run by a french lady called Kania. Try here and Olivia to get a sounding of how much the 4x4 is worth.

It's also better not to tell anyone that you are prepared to sell, the prices they then offer may be more realistic. Either way you will get a lot of advice beforehand about how, where and for how much to sell it.

This business is full of sharks so watch it. You will only find out afterwards what the best advice is/was.

You also said that you will sell the car when you are short of money. This is not really a good idea they will know this in advance if you are in need of cash and use this against you.

Be careful but enjoy.

Kevin

It's worth mentioning than (as in Europe) if in good condition HJ61s are much more sought after by desert tour operators (eg: in Agadez) than a regular old HJ60 - the crazily high prices mentioned by Dohan are not unusual.

Chris S

the paradox
 

Paradox
Due to all these exports (and the normal factors) the prices in europe rise as these cars are getting scarse and become mythical oldtimers. At the same time the prices in Africa (and South America) stay more or less the same (high!). Thus finding a nice one for a small price and making the most profit is getting more and more difficult, and it will take a while before the prices in Africa will rise more than they are used to pay in the past.
That's probably why you see more and more 80's finding their way 'cause their price is dropping in europe.
BTW same goes for the hilux, every old model is great export, but the prices are going through the roof here in europe.

Mariana:
I don't know how your experience is in buying a car from secondhandcardealers but remember you probably will selling it to a .... secondhandcardealer! (mostly with the 'aid' of a commisionair)
BTW If you don't sell it there you can always drive back and sell it in europe, cause prices are high here too.

regards

It’s a simple equation,
 

It’s a simple equation,

Here is the typical life story of a HJ60. They bugger around in Europe until the owner decides the repairs and taxes get too much. A local car dealer will by it and sells it to an export dealer near one of the main ports in Europe. There a African car dealer buys is and ships it to west Africa from there it is put on a boat witch travels up the Niger to the sub Sahara buyers. The new owner pays import tax. For the next 20 years the HJ60 gets to drive around tourists and smuggle cigarettes.

Example A typical hj61 in the north of Sweden cost 2000 euro. Transport and two car dealers later will set it in Rotterdam for 4000 euro. After shipping it the hj61 will be worth 4600 on the coast in west Africa. Transport to Sub Sahara will make it 5000. Add the import tax and the profit of the local dealer and the market price will be 6000 euro.

Al these steps cost euros the more steps you bypass the more is left 

Regards Dohan

dear all, which one is in your opinion the more convinient place to sell an HJ 60 between Mali(bamako or Mopti/gao), Niger(Niamey or Agadez), or Chad(Ndjamena)?
I would like to make the deal this winter, looking for the best merket.
Any advice apreciated,
Lorenzo

Decide first of all how much you want for it and sell it to the first person who has that amount. You might be told it's worth more down the road but this isn't usually the case.

If you do start to drive around selling it then word tends to spread, they will know how much you refused in the last place etc. etc.

Kevin

other brands?
 

What about other brands of 4x4 (Pajero, patrol?) Does anybody have experience/ heard how easy/profitable can they be sold in West Africa?

Does nobody question the practice of selling very old cars for ridiculous prices to people far less rich than we are?

Andres

Andres, you are absolutely right. It is bad and it must be stopped! Cars are ugly, smelly and dangerous. So if the rich people stop selling them at ridiculous prices maybe they will be replaced with carts pulled by nice, cuddly donkeys.

Andres, I think you ought to pop down to Mori to see for yourself.
There's a lot of poverty, it's true; and ironically the generosity of the people I have encountered increases with the level of poverty and the distance from the cities.

However the people who buy cars from Europeans are very frequently considerably better off than the person selling the car.
The prices are dictated by market forces, that means there is a demand.

We only discover we are poor when we have to deal with money every day, when we live in clusters and depend on others to bring food to our supermarkets in trucks, when there are bills to pay because we haven't collected our fuel ourselves because we're too busy earning not quite enough to pay someone else to collect it for us; or when we've bought a house that costs too much because we want to live near where we're working for only just enough money to pay back the house and the heating and all the people who bring us our food.

Oh dear, that felt good.
Our version of wealth is a vicious circle/trap, what we call poverty is bloody hard for those living it. There are no solutions that don't create their own problems, you can't just give to reduce poverty so taking a means of transport into a country whose occupants lives are improved by being able to travel is a help.

Well said Luke. Furthermore, a vehicle, beit old or rusting, can give it's owner a means of earning a living.

Regards
Q

my cars not ugly!! it's beautiful and cuddly, although it does niff a bit, or maybe thats me?

My car (HJ60) was absolutely ugly but wow, it provided good means of travelling in Africa :)
OK, apart form Roman's reaction, I get the point from the reactions to my question.
I have been there and seen it. I met many 'car-sellers' and noticed that in general, they were different from travellers like me and others who take their vehicle and use it only for travelling. From my point of view travellers make a (very small) contribution to the lives of those they buy food or fuel from. The 'car-sellers' in general seemed to be more interested in their own profit than in Africa itself.
But from this link (http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...er-dared-24320)
I understand that it's dangerous to ask questions for which there's no simple answer.

Kind regards,

Andres

The regulars are a slightly strange lot it's true, but the nature of a successful sale is that both parties come out happy, which is pretty much always the case.

You haven't seen my wife in the african markets ;-)

Aren't we all?
If we weren't we would be far from the internet, without a job, living and working with the people we exist to help. There are people like that and I admire them.

Africa cannot be helped from the outside.

The more we give the more we develop an "open hand" culture.
If you haven't paid for it you don't appreciate/look after it.
I don't know where you went but where I went I saw "new colonialism" all over the place.
The EU are doing it on a huge scale; go in, create infrastructure (as a donation of course), take out resources. If you don't let me buy your ore etc. I won't give you a new road.

It's cheaper than the old colonialism because you don't use guns and as the country's independant you don't have to install hospitals/schools/police etc.

There are individuals and groups impressed by dramatized (to sell) press reports who will do that for them.

Coacoa is Ivory Coasts's oil, and it's creating as much trouble (but it's tastier ;))

Buying stuff locally, exporting, encouraging local work groups, trying to reduce the temptation to migrate to the cities, these are some of the many actions help in the LONG term.

Lending works better than giving (cf. recent Nobel prize)
Probably because the borrowers attach more value to the object received if they have to pay it back.

Oh dear I've done it again.
I haven't the courage to delete this, I'll leave that to the administrators.


Daedalus, what ARE you on about?
You get a carnet before you go, and it's worked out on the most expensive country, and its price depends also on the issuing country.
But all that info is available here if you do a search.


Luke
(got the Africa bug, you can tell)

Agreed, I saw the same.

best price in Mopti
 

Our main motivation for selling our cars is time. I have a maximum of 5 weeks holiday. If you want cross the Sahara there is just no time driving back. Selling and flying back does the trick.

Back to the topic of this thread. We just returned from our trip Tunisia-Algeria-Niger-Burkina-Benin-Burkina-Mali.
I sold my 1992 TLC HDJ-80 for 10.500 euro in Mopti. The trip confirmed my earlier writing that Mopti is the best place in Mali for selling hj60 hj61 and HDJ80. Offers in Algeria and Niger were less. For selling a short 70 series you are better of in cities like Bamako. Bargaining with buyers, check-up by the local mechanic and endorsement by the mayor of Mopti :) took 1 day.
No hassles, tricks, business was handled correctly and smoothly. My feeling is that the hassles are getting less these days. Having sold 12 cars in Mali my last bad experience dates back to 1999. Stick to the rules and you will be fine. Manny advice to changing Hotel and/or City after the deal is closed. In my oppinion this advice is outdated.

Dohan

you don't need a carnet for mauri!!