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Mokthar Belmokthar! - Sand- and watergames from AQMI
Sand- and watergames from AQMI. Seen by YouTube
http://www.desert-info.ch/download/p...ergames-01.jpg http://www.desert-info.ch/download/p...ergames-02.jpg http://www.desert-info.ch/download/p...ergames-03.jpg http://www.desert-info.ch/download/p...ergames-04.jpg http://www.desert-info.ch/download/p...ergames-05.jpg http://www.desert-info.ch/download/p...ergames-06.jpg Aren't they criminal little children? YouTube - Al Qaeda in the Maghreb Ulrich |
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This guy, however, is not goofing: http://www.france24.com/en/files/ele...-benmoktar.jpg Nor is this one: http://www.france24.com/en/files/ele...-bombmaker.jpg |
Have seen the video from another source and heart the english speaker saying that this guy is
http://www.desert-info.ch/download/p...ergames-07.jpg http://www.desert-info.ch/download/p...belmokthar.jpg Mokthar Belmokthar!!! Sensational! If it is true than this is the first actuel picture from MB for years. YouTube - AL-QAEDA.flv Ulrich |
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I was about to mention this but was waiting for an Arabic translation. It seems the English version provides it. Abou Zeid is there too.
3.00 Moktar ben Moktar (Laouar, MBM) 3.20 .... Moussa?? 4.00 (and 3.40?) Abdelhamid Abou Zeid As Ulrich says, it could be the first recent shots in some time, assuming 2+2+2+2 = 8. Seems odd they would allow themselves to be taped (ABZ? seems reluctant at 3.40), or even to be at the same place in the same time for too long, goofing about and having a bit of a bundle. Maybe €5m just turned up in a suitcase. Ch |
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France24 - Exclusive footage gives rare insight into life in al Qaeda insurgency Ulrich |
Do you get the impression that these guys would be very hard to round up? To beat militarily?
Touareg sources say the kidnap camp is 60 kms east of Tessalit last I heard. Really, how hard can it be. |
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Gogoonisch - E Ulrich |
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Really, how hard can it be.
You are right. Been saying that for years but I think this recent post by Ulrich must have something to do with it - and I doubt it's exclusive to Mali. http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...6-4#post292495 btw, the Jeune Afrique article above dates that video to 2007. Excepting 2003 and a couple of grabs in Chad, as of 2007 there had been no AQIM Sahara tourist kidnappings yet - the current phase started in March 2008 with the 2 Austrians in Tunisia. JA article even manages to identify Yahia Djouadi (the emir of the third group, along with MBM and ABZ) as the guy calling from the dune top on a sat phone. Looks like a sat phone to me but it reminded me of something Robert Fowler said about his abductors getting on a dune top to get a GSM (and so, internet) signal beaming out of nearby Algeria - it showed how close they were to probably Tin Zao (Alg), east of Tessalit. It would have been interesting to see the whole 50-mins of reported footage. Maybe the rest was not so playful and these are just goofy out takes with propaganda value. Someone just pointed out that a famous video of Al Zarquawi looking incompetent in the Iraqi desert supposedly contributed to his demise. Ch |
Satellite phones have the disadvantage (in this case from AQIM perspective) of transmitting the GPS position. Mobile phones don't - they just show the phone as having been in a general area. I reckon they use mobile phones preferentially. Its worth driving to that dune. This is another reason that the NE Mali region has appeal - it is fairly close to such amenities. The deep desert would mean satellite phone coverage only.
There is some evidence that since 2007 the main leaders have been operating more separately - and of course the band has enlarged. How difficult can it be to close these guys down? Two things occur to me: 1) some group actually has to get out there and have a go at them. If none does, then the prospect is zero. So far, this is where things stand. 2) the longer the group is out there, the more entwined they become with the local population. So when the counter-insurgency ops finally get there, it will be difficult to tell an insurgent apart from any one else. He'll be resting up under a tree watching goats like many other youngsters. The gear will be carefully buried. To defeat insurgents who are well supported by local population is very difficult. In Angola, the government forces never did - directly at least - even with 30 000+ cubans and unlimited Soviet kit. The insurgents were finally defeated in this case when the entire peasantry was rounded up and brought into towns (Boer war concentration camp tactic). With their support base gone, the UNITA insurgency fizzled out. Its all well documented in the book "An Outbreak of Peace". It is not by chance that AQIM has embedded itself with locals. |
Hell Richard,
I don't think that the video is from 2007. That what JA wrote is contrary to that what is written in the article from France24. Quote:
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008821621202192 If this number is still active don't I know. Try it. When You get an answer say greetings from "Ulrich". Regards Ulrich |
Hi Ulrich,
The reasons I made the comment about the mobile phones were - - on the video it looks like a small phone (see 1:07-1:12) - I was also going on the transcipt from the Fowler interviews where they said that they drove a long way to get to the dune in order to have the range to get to the mobile network - surely these guys know that satellite phones transmit GPS position? I did try the number - but they have moved on! |
meant to add - that youtube vid is really interesting.
I reckon the boss will be furious about it being released. Also - glad that these guys do actually have fun. If we read the Fowler transcript, he was pretty emphatic that there is no fun in their lives. I suppose they behave differently when they are with the captives. And finally - its been an awful long time for the Spanish. |
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I missed that regular mobile at 1:07-1:12. Maybe that's who they mean by Yahia Djouadi (pic below - so we now potentially have a full set).
Guy could just be playing pac man, but then again other guy on what looks like a sat phone (which I pictured earlier) could be using a Thuraya on a throw away GSM card not sat, so this could be Fowler's dune. Probably near Tin Zao, the only town on that part of the Alg border that will have GSM signal apart from Bordj. As for the date - well France24 doesnt actually give one but if the guy was caught recently you'd assume he'd not have a 3 year old tape in his bag. Who knows. Ch PS - found a tip on a secret 'American base' in Alg, while looking for Djouadi pix. Didnt bother to read it all. |
"These images were shot by a young man who deserted al Qaeda some months ago" France24
If this is correct, then the earliest that the footage is likely to be is the last rainy season - so sometime between June and September 2009 when the West African Monsoon is able to reach the most northern latitudes of the southern Sahara/northern Sahel. The rivers hardly ever flow outside those months. |
They had lots of rain in September iirc, flood devastated Agadez.
Rain makes desert people lighten up, even AQ fighters then. Richard, AQMI are not the insurgents defending their homeland, the touaregs are. If MBM and the others are attacked, they will defend their business interests more than the land. None of the guys on the video look touareg to me. I just wrote to Bahanga suggesting he makes a move on Aqmi. We'll see what comes out of it ;) I don't think the military base at Iherir is a secret? What goes on behind the walls may be. |
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The raindays from 2009.....
It looks like July 18th was the big one. |
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and the rest from 2009....
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As for making a stand: where else does this gang have to go to? Seems to me they will fight for the patch. Their business is where they are, so although it might not be their land historically, there are not so many places they can operate from, notwithstanding the size of the Sahara. NE Mali is pretty much perfect for them. The Air is not a bad second. Sure, the guys are not Touaregs. But they have married locally and recruited locally, so I read. Suppose AQIM were set up in a base in the middle of the Sahara where there was no other population. Under these conditions a raid on them would be more straightforward. But from what I understand, they hang out fairly close to Touaregs (recall the Austrains escaped and managed to come across some locals - who refused to help and turned them in). A crucial task of any counter insurgency raid is therefore to differentiate who is whom. In the heat of an attack this is more or less impossible. Any raid that goes in and takes out the local population by mistake is only making things harder on themselves next time. AQIM will know all this. So the longer AQIM are there, and the more embedded they become, the harder it will be to dislodge them. |
Although it might help, I must say the explanation - we cant take them out because they've become too integrated - does not sound adequate to me. Since when do Mali military care about Iforhas Tuareg any more than Niger govt cares about Aïr Tuareg? Certainly NE Mali is an ideal location and they have few other places to go.
IMO it's come to be a lucrative business arrangement involving all parties - that's why the situation endures. And your Op Flintlock is just window dressing, possibly to justify US Africom. Any news of the new command centre in Tam? As for a distinctive Tuareg look, there isn't one in my experience - it's as often cultural as ethnic; the smiley guy who points a gun at the camera looked a lot like a Tuareg tour op I know. It's as likely young Tuareg men are drawn to AQIM as any others from Maghreb or Sahel. With the collapse in tourism and hostile southern govts, they dont have that many choices. Ch |
Flood that destroyed Agadez was in early September. I had email telling excitedly how the desert was green even as their adobe walls came a-tumbling down. http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...ez-niger-45094
but the pics could be taken anytime June-September I reckon. Some of them have been rooted in Tessalit-Kidal but they are looking to expand into Mauretania-Niger-Nigeria. Ennahar Online - Threat of an alliance between AQIM and "Taliban" of Nigeria Wherever government is weak and they can recruit some support by their ideology. The guys in the video speak Arabic dialects suggesting they come from Morocco, Algeria, Mauretania and Tunisia. I don't think many touaregs or other Saharians/Sahelians are tempted to join the forces. But they are tempted by the drug and kidnapping money. They also believe they have a traditional right to a share if it takes place on their territory. As for touareg looks, I agree they really can look a Frenchman to an Arab to a black African and anything in between.Still the guys in the video look arabic to me. And they are estimated to be some four hundred strong. With a handful of leaders. What if - what if a few of the leaders were targeted and taken out? Then what? And the surprising gathering we see in the video would have been a good time to attack, no? |
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It sometimes feels like the community here is more bothered by the AQIM presence in the Sahara than anyone else. The reason I raised the point about local assimilation here was that when who-evers forces finally come round to having a go at AQIM, it will have become harder to dislodge AQIM as a result of their assimilation and familiarity with their surrounds. Its been 7 years now that they are in NE Mali. In that sense my comment was more a prediction of how hard it will be than an explanation of why nothing seems to have happened. One tactic on the part of AQIM under the conditions of a known raid would simply be to bury everything and bomb-shell off into the local community that they seem now to be mates with- and lie low there. Who does the raiding party shoot then? Everyone in the hills of NE Mali? The tactic wont work for the MBM & co, but these guys will already have found themselves a quiet spot that is well out of reach. |
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I also believe that touaregs not least in Kidal region are those most anxious to throw them out. If it appears otherwise it is because the touaregs have other and even bigger gripes with both Bamako/Niamey and the French. But most people have lost and not gained from the Aqmi presence. The Aqmi guys are not only propagators of kidnapping but also victims of their own game. It appears one Mauretanian was not the cat but the mouse when he was kidnapped north of Timbouctoo and turned in to the authorities. The cat in this case was an arab narcotrafficante who was supposedly paid 322M CFA by the Mauri/Alg for trying to round up islamists. Then he was in his turn the mouse after Aqmi responded by kidnapping him in Inhalid in broad daylight(anyone familiar with this place that seems to be a center for trafficking of vehicles and humans?). And he is now said to have confessed to his "dirty deeds" on video on islamist sites. This what I hear from the Kidal grapevine. |
kidnapping him in Inhalid ... anyone familiar with this place that seems to be a center for trafficking of vehicles and humans?
A story from 2004 here, though hard to pin down a location: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/25/ne...ed3_.html?_r=1 I wonder if that's the same as Ikhalil, just inside Mali a few miles south of Bordj Moktar. (Zoom right in and you see it). In 2006 we stayed there on two occasions. What's left of my Hilux is still rotting at Ikhalil. On those occasions it looked like a semi-abandoned smuggling trading post, a series of walled compounds that seemed to have recently been left to its own devices by Malian officials. Stuff passes out blatantly from Bordj. Back then we had the impression it was tolerated contraband-lite; cigs, fuel, sugar, etc, bound for Timbuktu and occasionally raided by the Algies. Maybe not. They have bought their support. From locals, from Bamako and Niamey and likely also from north of the border. And in case we forget, that is why travel in the Sahara has become dodgy for the likes of us. Otherwise it would just be regional organised crime, easily avoided by 'civilians'. Ch |
Hmmm...seems Ikhalil/Halid/Inhalid is the same place.
Going from there to Tessalit and onwards unharmed seem a real challenge these days- I also just realized we came within miles of the purported AQ camp when we drove Timiaouine-Kidal last year (good thing we didn't know) |
Since MBM has been spotted here again is a portrait of him from last year
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