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Situation in Mauritania since 29Nov09?
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Didn’t want to hijack this thread on the hostage kidnap: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/sahara-travel-forum/western-tourists-attacked-in-mauritania-46792 so wish to start a new thread. Has anyone travelled into/through Mauritania since the day (night) of the kidnappings? What’s the situation now in terms of security? Any change to before? I’m monitoring the situation, but from a personal point of view... My bike is already in Malaga, I have a flight to Malaga booked for 18Dec09 and a flight from Dakar back to the UK booked for end of December (bike parking in Gambia). My plan was (and still is) to transit Mauritania down the main coast road, right past where it happened. I intend to ride in the daylight only. This might seem like a very silly question: How busy is the main Atlantic highway in Mauritania? Do you see a vehicle every minute/ every hour/ 5 cars all day? Cheers for any input. Ride and drive safely, Chris |
Chris, that's exactly what I also would like to know.
Furthermore, did anyone experience raised police/army/security-activity? Is all they do ask for cadeaux or do they actually contribute to safety? |
There is frequent traffic on the road and plenty of checkpoints. If concerned you could convoy up quite easily (although that did not help the 3 Spaniards).
Paradoxically the road is likely to be a much safer place right now, if only on the basis that it would be a strange strategy for them to attempt a repeat operation in the same area so soon. I haven't heard what additional security measures are in place if any. |
It's a good question and thanks for not hijacking the main thread.
This audacious event has thrown a spanner in the works of many people's travel plans - including those who weren't looking for a hardcore desert adventure but merely wanted to transit Mori on the way to somewhere warm. As someone said, there's a tendency to think the sky has fallen in but it's very unlikely to happen again there soon (I hope I am not proved wrong). We're talking a few hours along a good tar road with checkpoints. Do it in daylight (it seems the Spanish convoy did not) with your wits about you and, apart from the checkpoint hassle mentioned, you'll be fine. At worst the army may impose an armed escort from NDB to NKT leaving at set times. But knowing the deal with such escorts before in WS, Niger and Egypt (for the same reasons), they just tear off towards the horizon so real no protection, just the tedium of signing on and waiting till they decide to leave. Even when the 32 got grabbed in Algeria in 2003 it took the Algerians months to impose new escort rules on all pistes which ended the party there. If that happens in Mori it's ker-ching for local tourist agencies and another - maybe the last? - nail in the coffin for independent Saharan tourism. Ch |
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Travelling on the main road is one thing but my plan for visiting Mauretania was to go inland, take a train and enjoy the dessert. This may be not a good idea at the moment though I am still wondering what to do. Has anybody tried that recently? Furthermore, has anybody tried to get Mauretanian visa in Rabat? I hope they haven't introduced any restrictions so far. Best regards Pawel |
same question as pawel: can we still get visa in Rabat?
Normally we will start our trip from Nouadibhou to Atar near the railway and further to chingeutti, Tichit, Nema, direction to Mali, Bamako. I hope that it will be possible to cross the border between Maroc/mauritanie. |
Rick Travis is currently in Rabat getting a visa. He posts under TravisRTW so keep a look out for any posts from him coming from beneath Western Sahara because that means that he must have been successful over the past couple of days in Rabat.
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Just checked my e-mails and Rick Travis has sent me a "SPOT" GPS location last night which is south of Rabat and my guess is that he would only continue his journey to Mauritania if he had a visa. Will post again if I get a definitive answer.
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Hi strimstrum
Great stuff. Let us know if and when Rick gets in touch. cheers Chris |
Hey All,
Im new to Horizon's unlimited but thank heavens for this site!! Good work all. So, we are planning to transit mauri in early jan (new years day possibly) in a 4wd. We are solo and given the situation at the moment obviously somewhat concerned about the security. My question is, is it easy/possible to convoy up with fellow travellers at NDB the morning of the proposed drive to NKT? How long is the drive and is the road tarmac the whole way? What is the safety situation like in NKT and from there to senegal? We have been planning and building our car for a long time now and would be disappointing to cancel it, but would feel safer transiting with at least another vehicle rather than solo. Thanks again all! p.s. we plan to get visa's in rabat on the 22nd on our way south. Cheers! |
This is a general response to the question of whether it is safe in Mauri at the moment. At the start I've assumed that AQ-M did the hit on the Spanish. If that has been confirmed already, then I've missed it. The short answer is that for the moment I wouldn't go but the chances of being taken are low. I wouldn't go because the enjoyment factor would be a limited. I like to enjoy the desert.
What AQ-M have shown now is that they can take prisoners from tar roads near capital cities (Spanish in Mauri, Canadian diplomats near Niamey, Niger) and from the street in front of hotels. They are confident, bold and appear to plan well. If you're in their sights, there is not much you can do to escape. Driving in a convoy won't necessarily help. Driving during the day won't necessarily help. On the other hand, if they haven't made a plan to kidnap you or someone passing through at that time, your chances of free passage are excellent. The Spanish convoy was hugely conspicuos. It would take one lad with a phone to report the passing of the convoy at km X in order to make the hit 10km down the road. Easily done. And once AQ-M and hostages are all in the same car, there is not much that can be done. There was a case a few years ago of German tourists in Mali who bumped into AQ-M in the desert. The Germans were held overnight and then released the next day so that they could not raise the alarm overnight. In this case it seems AQ-M had not planned to take anyone. They were either not set up to do so and/or their command structure is hierarchical and the troops can't make spontaneous and opportunistic moves. If true, that makes the chances of not being taken very, very much higher. Its only if you're in their sights at the time. Am I right in thinking AQ-M has 4 people now (3 Spanish + one French)? The last session involved slightly more (2 Canadian + Edwin Dyer + another German?+ the Austrians). I think this is a spread betting technique. First it is a manageable number (I doubt they'd go for 32 again) to maintain in the desert and second, there are economies of scale. You can line them all up at once to phone families to argue for ransom. Doing one or two at a time would not be as efficient. So what does this mean? To me, near the start of the winter season, it suggests we could see more action. Perhaps 2 more. But probably not in Mauri. If caught, its essentially a long, long wait and a lot of uncertainty. At the moment there is not much anyone can do, even if one's position is known. It is plausible that the premature announcement that the Spanish had been found was simply that. The Mauri army knew where they were but could do nothing besides allow AQ-M free passage (that in order to keep the prisoners alive). That, I understand, is the basis for the passage of the Austrians who were taken from Tunisia to N Mali via Libya/Algeria. Its the same off Somalia. A destroyer can stand-off from a 30 foot yacht filled with pirates + hostages and do absolutely nothing. There are some interesting, open questions. Why no kidnappings in Algeria or Libya? Is Gadaffi an important link for the ransom payments and, in response, have AQ-M made a deal to stay clear? In Algeria, perhaps it is the guides, who sign their live's and the lives of of their families away to look after their clients. But why exactly do AQ-M care about the guide and the guide's family? I don't understand that part. |
I would say the risk of being kidnapped on the NDB-NKT road is near nil. And this haven't changed last week, other than it may be even safer now than before.
I'll be passing through in January and not worried. There's a lot of other things that can go wrong. I think I'll leave the Mauri desert to be explored another year. The news that the hostages were released seems to have come from a Moroccan source trying to put the blame on Polisario. It was quickly corrected. I also thought about the numbers. That is why I wrote that their quota may not yet be filled, and there may be more action in the coming month or two. Six to eight would be a reasonable number of hostages. Having 32 wouldn't yield much more money and the logistics would be a challenge. If there hasn't been any kidnappings in Libya I would think it is because nobody wants to mess with Qadaffi. And in Algeria, there are too many gendarmes. Niger and Mali is much easier. Tunisia was the surprise. And now Mauri, meaning there isn't a safe place anywhere. Boy I'd hate to be kidnapped. Not afraid of death, but the boredom of spending months with those fanatics in the wild would surely be a fate even worse. I would flat out refuse to go anyhwhere. |
It was said last night on one of the Moroccan TV channels (sorry for the lack of precision but I have not seen it myself; the info. was relayed to me later on) that the Moroccan-Mauritanian border has been closed. Rumours go that it is also no longer possible to cross the Mauritano-Malian border at Nioro.
We are cycling and not so keen on crossing the Western Sahara, only to be told at the border that the frontier is closed, but we no longer want to stay on the Moroccan coast with other travellers and wonder what's going on either, so we will just carry on as normal and hope for smore reliable news as we get closer. We could not find anyone on their way back from Mauritania to talk to but will definitely post something here as soon as we get any confirmation on the border situation. |
[I moved Alg comments to Algerian doubts - this one is specifically about Mori travel info since Nov 29]
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Recent news
Hi,
I just spoke by phone today with the driver of an Oasis Overland truck who is currently driving down the main NDB-NKT road with 26, yes count'em ,26 Gendarmerie as an escort. They seem to be taking tourist security seriously. She said that the security forces were a bit jumpy, but that apart from that, everything seemed ok. |
I did the road 3 days before the kidnappings I think.
From 'bou to 'chott is just less than 500km, there were 13 checkpoints then (various police and customs) but also long stretches of nothing inbetween. There isn't much traffic, but if you stop for 30 mins usually 3-10 different vehicles would go past in that time, mostly all mercedes being taken to be sold and tourists. Horrible place to break down, usually very windy and sandy but you wouldn't die etc. There are variouis little settlements along the way and places you can call in for tea etc (Auberges, but not the fancy western version) Leave early in the morning (7am) and you will be in 'chott by 3pm easily and it allows a few hours for things to go wrong or taking pictures. As ever, never tell guides/hangers on what your plans are - if going to 'chott, say you have just come from there and are going in the opposite direction etc etc I was on the road from Kiffa to Nioro the day after it happened and noted nothing special from the Police etc - but it would take a few days to sort out. I would imagine convoys/escorts will become the norm - surely the road through to Nioro is a much easier target if the plan is to get them into Northern Mali? |
In a post by "SilviaR" at Wüstenschiff :: Thema anzeigen - Entfuehrung in Mauretanien dated 05Dec09 sent from Nouakchott this lady says there is no noticeable difference in the security situation since 29nov09 compared to before. She says that in a stretch of 100km between 2 checkposts there was nobody. Between these 2 checkposts, the 3 Spaniards were taken.
She went in convoy with others. Chris |
Rick Travis is now in Western Sahara en route for Mauritania so he must have got his visa in Rabat a few days ago. He hasn't sent an e-mail yet to update on border crossing but he is heading further south each day according to his "SPOT" co-ordinates and he must be asking questions about the border crossing along the way. The fact that he is still heading towards the border is hopeful. Will post again with more info when known.
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Hi all -
I am planning to drive through Mori in about two weeks and will not be calling it off in total - the points that security will be higher and there were a lot of special features of the kidnapped workers make much sense to me. I had though been hoping to veer off to Atar and spend a day or two visiting Ben Amira and so on then proceed to NKT. Would this be very silly and I should drive straight through to NKT from NDB? Or would it still be as safe or more as the main tar road? This'll be my first time in Mori (though not first in post-"bad news" environment) Luke |
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Wondering though when people think is the best time to drive the road NDB-NKT, ie early or mid morning or afternoon? I've heard it can get quite windy and sometimes hard to see too far ahead? Also, is it possible to obtain a list of the official road blocks/checkpoints to expect on the way. It appears there are between 11 and 13 but I see knowing where to expect to be stopped an added measure of being situationally aware esp given these current event |
Hey guys,
Passed the Nouadhibou - Nouakchott stretch a day before the kidnapping, alone by 2cv, hearing about it the next morning in Nouakchott. As for the road, it is a good road, the only worry (by then) a bit of bad road at km 225 from Nouadhibou. Police checkpoints are straightforward, and even quicker when we received the news and heading to the south two days after. The police seems to understand the worry of overlanders. Just keep ur "fiche" (paper with passportnumber, chasisnumber etc...) with u and you'll be off in a minute. The road is almost perfect and even the 2cv speeding at 100km/hr, no problem. Even though the kidnapping didn't happen by then, I tried to follow the bus heading from north to south instead of waiting for a convoy. There's a petrol station half way, where you can wait up others or the next bus. I know it isn't a guerantee of safety, but no-one can give that. Overall, I think, with a bit of planning and looking for others in Nouadhibou, I wouldn't cancel my trip through Mauri. Find fellow-travellers, reschedule your planning - if nescessary- a bit and go in daylight. It's 465km from town to town, which can be done in 5/6 hrs. |
Or would it still be as safe or more as the main tar road?
I think so. If they grab you off the N1 they can grab you anywhere. Just don't shout about it. But I would not do this piste alone, even before last week and no way solo on a bike. You will get stuck in the sand once or twice. Ch |
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one that can ride a bike :mchappy: Also he need's to be good at bike maintenance Anyone spring to mind :blushing: On a serious note , I would be more worried if I were doing this route in a 4x4,rather than on a Motorcycle. stay safe Chris Dazzer |
I got this reply to an email I sent to a contact who lives in Mauritania:
Quote Situation is quiet. Here also a total blackout on the kidnapping. But for sure security has been reinforced everywhere in the country. I cant garantee anything but would normally travel. Also all borders are normally opened and there are no restrictions. Unquote Chris |
Chris
When you say that you would not do the Mori Border to Choum route alone is this because of security concerns regarding crime and terrorism or because of difficulty? |
Hi,
I would not recommend doing R2 alone for both reasons, but especially the piste is hard for a solo rider. Also, I would bet that kidnappers crossed this region to get to Mali. But probably, this could mean that the area is secure for the next times... Cheers, José |
... crime and terrorism or because of difficulty?
Primarily the difficulty IMO. The kidnappers would have zipped across R2 somewhere around Ben Amira and cut a corner of the PFZ before heading east for north Mali (or so José and I have speculated). But I doubt there will be much added security along R2. Where would they start? Regarding difficulty - even if you head for Choum and not direct to Atar (as R2 does) on a bike you have to carry a fair amount of fuel through the low dune sections. Sure you can ride the rubble between the rails to avoid the cordons, but there are 2 trains a day and getting up on the tracks can be tricky. It's all so much easier with someone to help or a 4x4 to carry the gear. Ch |
visa at the border between Morocco and Mauri
What with the visa to Mauretania- is it still possibile to get visa at the border after 29 Nov 09?
We going to cross it 03.01.2010. |
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Rabat is the place to go. HTH Chris |
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Update from the UK FCO site. We advise against all travel to the eastern and northern provinces of Mauritania - Tiris Zemmour, Adrar, Tagant, and Hodh el Chargui - due to the continuing high threat from terrorism throughout the country, This includes all areas bordering Mali, Western Sahara and Southern Algeria. We advise against all travel to the western provinces of Dakhlet-Nouadhibou and Inchiri, after the kidnapping of three Spanish aid workers in November 2009. This includes the road from the port of Nouadhibou to Nouakchott. We advise against all but essential travel to the rest of the country. We believe that terrorists continue to plan attacks. These could be indiscriminate, including in places frequented by expatriates and foreign travellers. |
FCO Advice
With regard to the latest post on the change of FCO advice.
I am part of a charity rally. Today we were called to the Foreign Office in London for a meeting with the head of Counter-Terrorism. In no uncertain terms he outlined the fact that the threat level has increased significantly in the region and that ( as we already know)Western tourists were being specifically targeted. Hence the change in the FCO advice. On the basis of this meeting, ourselves, along with the Plymouth to Banjul/ Timbucktu Rally organisers(also in attendence) were strongly advised to cancel the rallies in light of the increased threat. We have decided to cancel both rallies as we cannot be seen to be encouraging people to go against FCO advice. The FCO are issuing an Ministerial statement on the situation tomorrow (something not often done and again reflecting the gravity of the situation) Of course, anyone is still free to make the decision to ignore the FCO, but having heard what the counter terrorism team were saying, it would certainly make me think twice about returning to a region I know and like very much. Terrible news for the Mauritanians and in fact the whole region (Mali travel advice was also updated today regarding the increased threat of kidnap, although the general level of advice remains unchanged) Just thought you would like to know...:( |
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Rick Travis entered Mauritania a few days ago and has now just sent a SPOT GPS message saying all OK from Mali. I have not yet had an e-mail from him bu I guess he may be tagging onto a convoy but he has crossed Mauritania without problems. This also means that he picked up his visa OK in Rabat last week.
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Interesting news on Rick.
I am also on the above rally and will be going down to casablanca and then trying to ship the car round to Dakar in order to miss out Mauri.... I would really appreciate any update on the mauri borders, or whether the levels of "western" traffic going through mauri has dropped off? Finally, if we can't ship the car then we'll be looking for a very trustworthy guide to drive the car for us to Dakar... I have no idea whether this is just a pipe dream so would really appreciate peoples comments? Many thanks Stephen |
Well the rallies had to be cancelled for obvious reasons.
Why that would keep anyone from driving through on their own I don't understand? We're passing through around January 12. Going to visit friends in Noakchott and then on to Mali. Also Mauritania’s President Vows to Improve Security, MNA Reports - Bloomberg.com |
Many thanks for everybody that’s posted in answer to my original question.
I’ve decided to cancel my West Africa trip in light of the security situation and will instead do a road trip round Morocco and re-park the bike in southern Spain and fly home from there. There’s a variety of reasons listed below:
I hope the 3 Spaniards and the Frenchman get set free soon. My thoughts are with them and their friends and families. If you’re in Morocco over Christmas, look out for the scabbiest of scabby black Honda Transalps. The only definite on the itinerary is a visit to Marrakesh. Other than that, it depends on the weather. Ride and drive safely, Chris |
Short question: has any biker ever been kidnapped for ransom in the desert apart from the 2003 event?
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Rick made it safely through Mauri, Mali and is now enjoying a ride through Burkina Faso. It might well be that, as he left the UK before the kidnappings, he is blissfully unaware of what is going on... ignorance being bliss. Looks like he will just about hit his target of being with friends for Christmas in Gabon before continuing down to South Africa in the New Year.
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It’s a mixture of piste and railway and getting up on the tracks isn’t a problem it’s getting off them when the train comes because it ain’t stopping!!! Honestly get well clear, I was way to close for comfort the first time. The guy behind keep a mirror up for look out!! We did it loaded up with our gear riding into a 50-60km head wind and the vis went right down with the sand in the air. Ride the train track at the start to get you in as the first section seemed very sandy but it will get better. But as Chris says make sure you got enough fuel!!!! We sucked loads but managed to get our hands on some dark government stuff at a village after the first day, also riding the sandy piste will use it up and Choum has good fuel! You’ll hit the sand fields during the last section so we rode the railway (be careful around the dead man stops). Wasn’t too much debris on the line as we expected and our main worry while riding was metal bandit strapping laying around slicing into the tyres. Around the track is loose shale and sand. I found the people very friendly, even the soldiers on road check points, so what if he has a gun in one hand? A big smile and firm hand shack works wanders (I found bikers had much less hassle than people on 4 wheels). We stopped by some huts to take shelter from the wind in our tents the first night but the people living there gave us a hut for the night and even brought us food! 5star in the middle of nowhere, happy days. Took another day to reach Choum and bush camped outside of it. The track to Atar is sound, bit sandy in places. Overall it’s not that difficult if you’re anyway happy getting off the road and the lighter you are the better! (I’ve just posted a package from Gambia to the UK). As for the advice from the FCO, if I ever listened to them I’d still be holding a virgin passport! Use common sense and don’t get carried away with the wave of panic you read… Duck :mchappy: |
I have been 12 months in the planning of a motorcycle trip from Ireland to Gambia...
I aint afraid of kidnapping etc, but have serious concerns about insurance implications if the UK gov has put the area "OOB" I therefore have just binned my travel arrangements and my 12 month arrangements are now 'down the pan'. ( Wifey is pleased ) I do however, plan to ride to Morocco and explore that area in depth..... BUT, this is better stalled until Spring, I am told.... BS |
RAC travel insurance makes no mention of being void in the event of travelling against FCO recommendations.
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i came up from senegal week before hijack
couple i met in maroc a few weeks ago went thru no convoy no problem to senegal last week they confirmed to me yesterday from zebrabar near st louis only problem i encounted in road thru was boredom and only petrol every ...100 miles:funmeterno: watch out going from nuokchott to kiffa east mauri petrol can be thin on ground at times no problem after turn off road of hope for mali and beyond |
Conspicuous tours and rallies are a different thing but I would not dump a long-planned adventure in West Africa just because part of it is on the FCO blacklist and so some travel insurance is not valid. It's often not valid just for plain motorcycling in Africa and as we know much of the time the road insurance we buy at borders is only a bit of paper. Western Sahara was blacklisted for years during the convoy days not so long ago. That's why it's all an adventure. We are talking about a theoretically tense one-day ride: WS border to NKT here (and then avoiding Timbuktu area - no great loss). Most people tend to shoot through Mori anyway.
Algeria has been blacklisted as long as I've been going there but people on my tours managed to get reasonably priced moto travel insurance and I myself have both had and dealt with moto accidents either without insurance or in a place they could do nothing to help - we all used our common sense and got home fine to ride another day. Shop around - try World Nomads or Europ Assistance). If it's about peace of mind for the family back home I would have thought the Spot bleeper that someone else has mentioned will do the trick. Ch |
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Unless you mean the exclusion which refers to "exposure to danger which can reasonably be predicted". In which case they must surely exclude all road traffic accidents. In any case I am not worried about acts of terrorism. They are very low on my risk radar. I would be concerned however about travelling to a country in which my travel insurance was entirely invalid against (say) road traffic accidents, which is where the real risk is. Then again, would no insurance stop me going - no. But I accept that is a very personal choice and has to take into account your family & dependants. |
It may be worth checking with your insurance - usually an FCO warning only excludes the terrorism element from your insurance, not everything. If there was a particular health scare in a country then your insurer may exclude that but everything else would be covered.
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Military escort
There has been military escorts running from the border to NCT
These run infrequently but can be found out about on other forums. I will be using one of these and know the dates that they are running in Dec and Jan. They have been set to help various rallies through but other people can tag along Albert |
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That's the section I meant. I'm no legal brain and don't know about insurance contract law, but I believe it gives them wriggle room, when they turn a claim down, should you get kidnapped and lose earnings/incure other expenses. They'll say the FCO "predicted" it would happen. Traffic accidents are not predictable and are no more or less likely in Africa than anywhere, IMO. For me it wasn't the insurance issue that was paramount in changing my plans. It was my first 2 bullet points in post #37. Those who transit Mauri or get off the beaten track there, have a really good time. cheers Chris PS. Good news: I will now also get about half my 300 quid Dakar Heathrow flight refunded too. |
I'm planning on riding down this road in the next few months.
As a group with a web presence we've decided to: a) remove all travel plans b) not ride at night (never were going to) c) make progress in this area without being silly I doubt that this is going to happen again. I feel that AQIM planned this using a very well publish time scale that the Spanish were using. They wanted to make a statement, AQIM are not sitting on the road letting Mauri citizens through and Westerns being abducted. This was a raid, from Mali into Mauri then a scamper back into Mali where they are safe. My advice would be to keep specific dates off here. AQIM will have undoubtedly looked at this site in the past. Do not advertise your dates, they are now with the increased pressure on that area unlikely to sit at the site waiting hours for you to come by. They don't want direct conflict with the military and will do what they can to avoid it. |
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it's not over yet...
I guess I'd better re-sticky this post considering the latest incident in Mori on the road to Nioro.
Please use this thread to comment/inform on the actual post-kidnappings travel situation in Mori as may be useful to other [potential] travellers coming through. Comments and reports on the 2 Mori kidnappings is better added to this thread with general kidnapping tactic speculation here. thanks Ch |
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Military Convoy?
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I'm going down in January and I'm interested as well about the possibility of joining some convoy. could you please tell us where to find the information? thanks a lot! |
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Any Convoy Info?
Some friends and I will be doing this route as well in the next few weeks and would also LOVE to know any convoy info if anyone has any!
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I will traveling south from Morocco to Senegal soon. I would be interested in any of the following information:
a) Any info on military convoys or other organized convoys would be very helpful. Whether how to find out about them or when / where they operate. b) Can security be hired at the Mauritanian/Morocco border? c) Are there any likely hotels / towns in southern Western Sahara that would be good places to meet up with other overland travelers to organize convoys? Any help would be much appreciated. Cheers AndyN |
Hi AndyN
a. No news yet and I think they would have set it up/we would have heard about it by now. b. I would not consider this option unless civil war breaks out - so don't put ideas in their heads! In Mori you'll just end up subsidizing some taxi driver and his brother in law a lot for nothing at all (like here). If there's a convoy worth taking it will be a free military deal (but like in the old Dakhla convoy days still offer little actual protection I suspect). c. Good idea if people want to meet up: Hotel Barabas in WS is 91km from the border. You can't miss it; it's the last cheap WS fuel. Don't forget we're talking about a clear, easy, fully sealed 1.5 day ride with an overnight in NKT capital. It's not like say, Baluchistan, which people have long fretted about. have a good trip Ch |
just drove it with overnight in NKT. All good really. Gendermarie are super friendly.
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