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Dangerous Goods Form
Can anyone offer some help filling out a Dangerous Goods Form for Air Canada. I am shipping my bike from St.John's (YYT) Newfoundland to Manchester (MAN) UK.
Thanks. Jim. |
err... exactly what do you need to know?
It's often worth getting an agent to do it - the cost is low, and often the airline won't take ANY "dangerous goods" item from an individual - only agents. ------------------ Grant Johnson Seek, and ye shall find. ------------------------ One world, Two wheels. www.HorizonsUnlimited.com |
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Good to hear you got sorted ok.
So are you going to tell us about your trip so I can post it in the ezine? http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb/biggrin.gif ------------------ Grant Johnson Seek, and ye shall find. ------------------------ One world, Two wheels. www.HorizonsUnlimited.com |
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Jim,
When are you leaving - and who's with you? How long you planning on taking? Riding? http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb/smile.gif have a great trip! |
Folks, here's a bit of information that might help you save a lot of trouble with Dangerous Goods forms:
Under IATA and ICAO regulations, the air carrier is strictly forbidden from filling in the DG form on behalf of the shipper. But, this means that they cannot put the pen to the paper themselves. There is, however, no rule that prevents the air carrier staff from explaining to you how YOU should fill in the form - for example, telling you where the information goes, and so forth. In other words, it is perfectly OK for them to guide you, be nice, answer your questions, as long as they are not "prompting" you or "guiding your hand" in any way. A motorcycle is classified as a "Vehicle, Flammable Liquid Powered", and has a UN classification number of 3166. This information needs to go on the DG form, so remember it. It also needs a class 9 (miscellaneous) diamond shaped DG sticker, which the shipper will usually (though not always) provide. The rest of the info required on the form is pretty much self-explanatory. PanEuropean |
Pan European is correct, "some" helpful Airline cargo Offices will explain how to fill out a D.G. form. I have done a few now and they are all standard (I keep copies).
The latest regulations, However, call for a 24Hour Emergency number on the form. This "legally" eliminates the private shipper. But... if you have a mobile phone... you are automatically informed of any problem with your shipment. Its usually bad news though... Cheers, Cameron ------------------ |
The 24 hour emergency phone number requirement should not restrict or inconvenience the private shipper in any way.
The requirement, which was introduced a few years ago, applies to all shipments of DG's. It is intended to provide airline personnel with a source of information about how to handle problems encountered enroute with DGs' - for example, if some chemical with a name 50 letters and 10 syllables long leaks, how do you clean it up, and what precautions do you take? For a motorcycle (or, more correctly, a 'vehicle, flammable liquid powered), just about any fool can figure out that it has some residual gasoline in it, some motor oil, and a wet cell battery. It's pretty doubtful that the airline would ever call your emergency number to get urgent advice about what precautions to take if the bike fell over in the belly of the plane. Just give them your parent's number, or your brother or sister's number, or any other residential number where it is likely the phone will be answered H24. Tell the family member that the object you are shipping is a functional motorcycle. That will more than meet the letter and the spirit of the regulations. NB: If the motorcycle is broken down and crated, and has NO FLUIDS in it of any kind (no brake fluid, no fuel, no battery, no coolant, no front fork fluid, no air in the tires, no nothing), then it isn't DG, it's automotive parts. Michael |
When i flew my bike Melbourne to Amsterdam I was told that if the bike had been used it was DG. It wasn't enough to drain fluids. That oil had been in the cases and fuel in the tank was enough.
With the DG certificate it flew with a quarter of a tank of petrol, battery connected and in place, just strapped securely into its crate with a this way up sign. DG formalities were easier than the fluid hassles. http://users.netlink.com.au/~asimpson alec |
Thanks to everyone who gave help with this.
We are going to the UK then on to Santander, Spain, via sea ferry. We will then a ride around the Iberian Peninsula, Portugal, Spain, Andorra, returning to Santander along the French/Spanish border mountain route. Depature set for May 21 to UK, 25th to Spain return when the cash runs out. Hasta Luago. J |
Just a note on D.G.s When I flew my bike from Auckland back to Vancouver in 2003, it went Air New Zealand to L.A. then supposed to be Air Canada to Van. My emergency number was called by a conscientiuos Air New Zealand cargo handler in L.A. when Air Canada refused to carry the bike because the weight was written down as "net" not "Gross" on the D.G. form (it was unpalleted, so that was the gross weight).
After four Days of Air Canada refusing to fly it (dozens of phone calls, and they weigh it before it goes on anyway) I contacted Cathay Pacific, who had it in Vancouver six hours later... |
Another reason to pay for big ticket expenses by credit card. If they don't keep up their side of the bargain tell the credit card company to cancel the payment. It costs nothing to do this.
Steve |
Or, more to the point, another reason to use a handling service. Although I work in the industry, I would not ship the bike by myself (meaning, myself as a shipper) - just about every time it has been airfreighted in the past, something has happened, and it sure has been nice to just phone Gail at Motorcycle Express and ask her to look after it for me...
Michael |
Agreed - paasing the problem to someone else like Gail that they are used to dealing with - and would like more business from - is a big help.
Don't forget to mention Horizons Unlimited when you use Motorcycle Express! http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/ubb/biggrin.gif ------------------ Grant Johnson Seek, and ye shall find. ------------------------ One world, Two wheels. www.HorizonsUnlimited.com |
In regards to Dangerous Goods this site might be a good resource for dangerous goods training and general information relating to shipping etc.
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Hopefully these images should help you. The first image is a scan of the DGR form used when I last shipped my motorcycle by air. The second image is that of DG stickers that were placed on my motorcycle.
The rules have changed fractionally in the last few years - the moto no longer needs stickers put on it if it is NOT crated. In other words, if it is obvious from looking at the shipment that the thing is a motorcycle (i.e. it is not concealed inside a box or crate), then you don't have to sticker it. You really have to cross the T's and dot the I's on the DG forms. Even something as simple as using lowercase when you should use uppercase can cause problems. Although the air carriers are not allowed to complete the form for you, it is certainly reasonable to ask them to check the form to make sure you have filled it out properly and not made any errors. All I ever did so far as preparing the motorcycle for shipment is concerned was to show up with less than 1/4 of a tank of gas, and disconnect and tape off the positive battery terminal. If you have a locking gas cap, make sure you leave the cap unlocked, so that the cargo handlers can check fuel tank contents if they wish to do so. Michael http://www.hostdub.com/albums/PanEur...R_labeling.jpg http://www.hostdub.com/albums/PanEur...GR_Waybill.jpg |
Just a follow-up to the post above: Below you will find the complete text of the IATA Dangerous Goods Regulations (DGR) that govern shipping motorcycles by air.
The moto itself is classified under UN 3166 as a 'Vehicle, Flammable Liquid Powered'. The Packing Instruction that gives the details of how the vehicle must be packed so that it is accepted for shipment is Packing Instruction 900. The first image below shows the rules for UN 3166, the second illustration shows the rules for Packing Instruction 900. The two go hand in hand, in other words, if you comply with the packing instruction, you can submit your moto for shipment under UN 3166. Some points that your cargo acceptance agent (the airline employee) may not be aware of: 1) If it is impossible (very unlikely) for the moto to be loaded in any position other than right-side up, then you don't have to drain all the fuel. Just run the tank down as low as possible, in no case have more than a quarter of a tank of fuel in it. On the other hand, if your moto is packed in a rectangular crate, and it is possible that some stupid person could put the crate in the airplane upside down, then you have to drain every drop of fuel from every nook and cranny of the moto - tank, carbs, etc. 2) If the battery is secured in its original location on the moto (where the manufacturer put it), and if all the panels are in place securing and protecting the battery, then you don't have to remove it, nor do you have to disconnect it. 3) The battery has to comply with the referenced packing instruction for batteries, however, just about every motorcycle or car battery made in the last 30 years will comply. That packing instruction says, more or less, that the battery must not melt like a chocolate bar and spill electrolyte all over if the ambient temperature gets up to 55 degrees C. 4) If it is obvious to an average person that the package you are shipping is, in fact, a motorcycle, then you do not have to put a sticker on it. If it is enclosed inside a box or crate - such that no-one could tell that there is a motorcycle inside the box or crate - then you need a class 9 (misc) DG sticker. Hope this information is useful to you. UN 3166 DGR Rules (Vehicles, Flammable Liquid Powered) http://www.hostdub.com/albums/PanEur...DGR_Info_1.jpg Packing Instruction 900 - how to pack a moto for air freight shipment http://www.hostdub.com/albums/PanEur...DGR_Info_2.jpg Example of when you don't have to drain the fuel totally, and don't need a sticker to identify the thing It would be pretty hard to load this anyway except right side up, or fail to recognize that it is a motorcycle. http://www.hostdub.com/albums/PanEur...n_can6_001.jpg |
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