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GPS in Russia 2014
Russia announced today it would close down GPS stations in Russia (reverse sanctions) after June 1: http://rt.com/news/158680-russia-usa-rocket-gps/.
The GPS system uses ground stations to help the satellites determine their exact position, which ultimately means those satellites can accurately determine a users position. I dont know for sure, but I assume if the ground stations are shut down in Russia, then the accuracy of the signals in the Russia, Central Asia and Mongolia region will degrade. How much? who knows. This wont affect most mobile phones as GPS receivers in phones are mostly GPS and GLONASS dual band, but only a few Garmin units are Glonass compatible ... https://support.garmin.com/support/s...00000000000%7D |
Time to treat yourself to a Monterra and a 64ST Walter !
Aside from a host of facilities and advantages, one of the more visible ones is that the above units no longer suffer from 'map wobble' when at stand still- due to their combined gps/glonass ability.:thumbup1: |
Hummmmm better start looking at doing a map reading course :censored:
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I read in a separate article earlier today (which of course I can't find right now...) that there are in fact no gps stations in Russia.
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Here is an article about it:
Russian Officials Puzzled About US GPS Stations in Russia | Russia | RIA Novosti The gps stations in Russia appear to be of limited utility, so maybe this won't matter very much. It sounds like Russia needs the glonass stations in the us more because their satellite coverage is not as comprehensive. |
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Control part of GPS signal stations are located and controlled by the US Airforce ,, in fact it is owned by the US Govt,, the whole GPS. 32 some sats sending signals to 15 or so stations (Probably more hidden away) ,, with command station in Colorado,, the rest ,,outside of Russia,, UK,, Korea ,, Marshall Island etc ,, well away from the Russians. This Russian action will not affect us riding through Russia , using smart phone,, garmin or any other civilian GPS. Besides ,, USA and Russia has entered negotiation on this and international stations, with three months window. As you can see ,, it can cover anything in between UK and Korea. Only way to shut that down is the US Govt. Also ,, There are two types of GPS ground stations for the USA system. Main stations about 5 around the world provide corrections to timing data due to relativistic effects, clock drift, ephemeris, or ionospheric delays that are timing constants rebroadcast by the satellites to receivers for corrections. The types of stations in Russia are for augmented gps called Global-DGPS . DGPS improves local GPS accuracy from about 3m to 10 cm. However this lack of support in Russia's areas only effects civilian use of the US system in those areas. Meaning Garmin is really screwed (I can see Bertrand,,palpitating his lips already) ,, if this happens. The Chinese, EU, and Russian systems won't be effected. Smart phones come in all systems. To see all this Russian action in the 21st century is mind boggling. Gorbachev and Yeltsin ,, one must be sad,, one must be turning in his grave. |
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If you're saying that garmin (GPS?) users will only be able to get 3 meter accuracy, I thought that in any event GLONASS accuracy is not any better than that? |
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We will have no problem navigating through Russia,, either way. Smart phone makes more sense at this juncture and always have for me,, having had bad experience with Garmins. Peace brother! |
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Today’s smartphones, and some tablets, have integrated GPS. This allows the device to connect to a satellite positioning system and figure out how far you are away from that restaurant you’ve been in search of or that cool new coffee shop. Here in the US our phones only tap into the country’s own GPS array but, with the help of Qualcomm, new phones will be able to utilize Russian satellites as well. You might not know about it, but the United States’ Global Positioning System is not the world’s only satellite-based navigation system. GPS as we know it emerged from a Department of Defense project, so you can imagine that it wasn’t always intended to be shared and it remains something that the government has control over. As such, the European Union has its own system, Galileo, but it won’t be ready until 2014. And, never ones to be left out, Russia has developed the GLObal NAvigation Satellite System, or GLONASS. This is a fully operational global navigation system with 22 satellites and near-complete coverage of the Earth. gps satellitesSome time in 2012 Qualcomm will start to release chips capable of using GLONASS. This means, when combined with the GPS system, more satellites will be within reach of your device at a given time. More satellites clustered within range means more accurate location detection and less problems with typical sat-nav hurdles, like negotiating with urban canyons. And the best part? Connection with GLONASS is free and not particularly difficult to utilize. A different radio is required so current handsets will not be upgradeable, but once Qualcomm starts releasing these chips it could be a standard feature in high-end devices if demand is sufficient and the cost/benefit analysis makes sense. To date relatively few GPS devices utilize GLONASS, but Qualcomm’s ubiquity could change that for phones, especially if it caused competitors, like Broadcom, to do the same. PC Mag’s Sascha Segan tested out a Qualcomm developer device and was duly impressed with its performance in NYC, an area that is traditionally difficult to get a good GPS signal. In the city people tend to have to use cell tower-assistance because of the high building that block the line-of-site necessary for connecting with enough satellites (three) to place the user. He didn’t give accuracacy information (devices typical give an accuracy rating, ranging from hundreds of feet to under a foot) and details are still sparse on whether software will allow users to combine GPS and GLONASS into a mega satellite array or if you will have to use them separately (I suspect it’s the former), but it’s something that GPS geeks should be excited for. Expected to see GLONASS support in handsets sporting Qualcomm’s S2 and S3 processors. PS ,, It has already happened ,, we are now at S5. |
This is a list of smartphones that support the Russian GLONASS navigation system. With GPS ,, you double the number of Sats.
Get an impact, dust and water proof smart phone, with 5 inch screen,, 20MP camera ,,, leave your laptop and heavy camera at home,, cruise through Russia. 1 Acer 2 Alcatel 3 Apple 4 Asus 5 BlackBerry 6 HTC 7 Huawei 8 LG 9 Meizu 10 Motorola 11 Nokia 12 Samsung 13 Sony Ericsson 14 Starmobile 15 Sony 16 Xiaomi 17 ZTE 18 Any latest generation Qualcomm gpsONE(tm) Chipset based device |
The following Garmin devices currently support GLONASS:
eTrex 10, 20 and 30 Edge 510 Oregon 6xx series GPS 19x HVS GLO echomap 50dv echoMAP 50s echoMAP 70dv echoMAP 70s GPSMAP 527xs GPSMAP 547xs GPSMAP 721xs GPSMAP 741xs GPSMAP 820xs GPSMAP 840xs GPSMAP 1020xs GPSMAP 1040xs Monterra Turning on GLONASS may require changing the Satellite System setting to GPS+GLONASS from the Setup System page. Reference the owner's manual for instructions on enabling this feature on the device. ( This is done automatically , in the smart phone.) |
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Really folks ,,
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