Leave car in Russia or Mongolia
 

Hi,
We are driving with a car from Europe to Mongolia. Maybe we will drive back, maybe not. It will depend on the condition of the car at the end of the trip.
Because of that we want to be prepared to leave the car in Mongolia or in Russia. Wed like to donate the car to charity, dump it, sell it, or scrap it. Whatever is the best and most affordable option. Does anyone have any experience with that? What is the best and cheapest option?
Thank you for your answers!

Note: Its a rather old car from '87. And we will have carnet the passage with us because we are crossing Iran.

If you dump it, sell it or spend it, you have to do the custom stuff.
In Russia and in Mongolia.

So be prepared to have someone to help you wit the customs and the taxes you have to pay for that....

Thank you for the Information.
So there is no way around the customs and taxes, even if we scrap the car or try to bribe somebody?

How I am able to estimate the costs of those taxes etc.?

Naughty, naughty. It's not kosher to ask questions about bribing someone. :smartass:

Unless you dump it in nomansland at the boarder between Russia and Mongolia. Thats why there are allways so many trash cars between boarders. Export it and dont import it into the next country. Not nice for the enviroment. True...

I have not seen cars in nomansland there.

Also you can not enter the next border from nomansland by foot.

Specially in the western border in Tashanta.
Nomansland is about 24km , and there are posts in between.

And at the border in Altanbulag there is no space between the border to dump cars as far as I remember.

You'll have a great time trying to get your deposit back, most providers need to see that the car has been brought back to the country of origin or at least disposed of legally.

We are not going to dump our car in the nomansland. I don't think this would be appropriate. But thank you anyway.

I understand that we would have to do it legally. If we would have a car crash or something we would still have to import it in to the country even if the car wouldn't be functional anymore?
Anyone has a good idea what to do with the car once we decide to leave it in mongolia? Is anyone there willing to buy our car legally? Who could help with taxes etc (Hotels, Police,...)?

What kind of car is it? You can declare the value of the car as a spare part once u are in Mongolia the taxes will be 15% of the value of the car I am Mongolian living in UB let me know if u need help once u are in Mongolia also from this year most of Europeans require visas due to Asean meeting in July just FYI if u heading this way.


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Leaving a car in Mongolia/Russia
 

Currently stuck in UB with a 1997 Landrover Discovery. We were refused at the border today when we attempted to cross in to Russia without the car and are now having a hard time finding a solution.
Impossible to drive it all the way back to England as our visa expires in Russia in 10 days.
Anyone know how to either leave it in Russia or Mongolia?
We are willing to give it away, or have it scrapped…any help is good help.
Thank you!

I would ask the customs guys at the border! Novel solution it seems, but they will know what needs to be done if it CAN be done! Or they will know someone...

If you ask at the border into Mongolia, they will immediately take a deposit for your car.!!

I met some people where exact this happened.
That comes from the fact, that a lot of the members of the mongol rallye left their cars there, and they dont want that.

What about getting a new Russian visa in UB?

Last year I met a guy in UB at Oasis who got a Russian transit Visa in UB.

Thank you for your replay. Its a Volvo 740 from '87. Would it be suitable to declare our car as spare parts?
This would certainly be an option as it would not cost a fortune. Happy to contact you if there is any need.
Also we will check back with the embassy. Thank you for the heads up!

That was a good one.:rolleyes2:

I think they will have a lot of fun if you show up at the border with a running car and will for sure ask for deposit because they know what your reason is.....

Seriously:
Why should they declare a running car for spare parts.
They are no idiots....

To clarify. We want to drive back to Europe with our car. We only wanna know about the option we have in case the car stopped working in Mongolia or it is foreseeable that the car is not gonna make it back to Europe.

Im still not sure what is our best option in case we need to get rid of the car.

Some persons I know also some friends of mine had to bring the bikes out from Mongolia ( and 2 from Russia ) for some reasons.
2 had bad luck and could not drive anymore, some bikes were not driveable.

You have the choice of bringing it out of Russia or Mongolia or just pay the tax.

If you have an accident and the car ist broken, you have the chance of show some papers, which proof that it is broken because of accident, you just need to find a Russian police office to help you with the customs ( to provide the paper )

In Russia it was always ok to fill in a low price for my bike on the temporary import.
But only last year at the border from Russia to Mongolia I got a female custom officer and she insistet on the price of 500.000 Rub on the temporary import of my bike.
This is about 7500 Euros, my bike is worth maybe 1000 Euros and the price she insisted on was more than what my old Transalp costed new in 1989.

So in case of a breakdown I would have had a lot of trouble getting through the custom stuff.

And the custom lady did not step back from this 500.000 Rub, I wanted to sit that out but no way. Either sign the paper or wait as long as I need to sign.....

In my case I would always need to bring it out, that is cheaper than to pay the tax.....

And If you drive with a car or bike to Russia or Mongolia, it can always happen that you have a breakdown for any reason, then you either need time or money.

Please post the solution to having the car in UB Mongolia.
 

Having looked into this in the past, my understanding was you could leave a vehicle in Mongolia and travel to Russia by train. Apparently, that is not correct? I've read that you can sell a motorcycle in Russia, but you will pay about 40% in taxes. Of course, it would be difficult to negotiate that without local help. This is a huge problem for us international travelers. Please keep us updated.

Did you consider giving it as a gift to the border agent? Perhaps they would let you give it to a local church?

I was also told that it is possible to report your motorcycle stolen in Russia. Once in Saint Petersburg, I accidentally left my keys in the bike at night. The bike could have been stolen. Instead, there was a note on my bike. It said I must make an appearance at the police station. I thought I had an appointment with the FSB/KGB! At the police station, I learned that they found the key in my bike. When I showed them my papers, they returned my keys without problem. Therefore, if you need to get your bike stolen, don't park where there are police patrols. :D

That's a funny story, could have turned out much worse!

I should also pass on a story I overheard once when I was at the customs point in Moscow renewing my temporary import certificate: a man came to the customs guy and said that his temporarily-imported car and the temp import certificate had burned in a fire, and only the shell remained. When the man asked the customs guy how he could clear the temporary import cert, the customs guy said that he had to have the burnt shell transported back to the border! I'm sure there is a slightly easier way to do it, but it would also probably not that easy!