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Dutch Power 29 May 2016 11:38
Hi,

Still a nice thread and a nice website! I'm interested as well in riding the Altai - Uliastai - Tosontsengel - Tsetserleg route, and I was wondering how many river crossings you had? Were there a few each day or were there many more?

And have you found your track-files? If it is possible, I'm interested in them as well!

klausmong1 29 May 2016 19:46
As I remember, there is just one real Watercrossing, and you don't have to do that, because there is a bridge 2km North. Just many people don't know:rofl:
The tracks are on my homepage ion the download area

Dutch Power 30 May 2016 10:44
Okay thanks!

Sounds good. I will take a look at your homepage.

Forestwiz 5 Mar 2017 10:13
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Originally Posted by colebatch (Post 468878)
300km, yes, thats a good guide for most of Mongolia. I wouldn't advise going there with less.

Take a look at the waypoints file. Work out where you want to go based on infrastructure. Will there be fuel, for example.

As far as the sometimes uncrossable river between Tsagaannuur and Ulaangom, there is a simple fix. Go via Olgiy. The track from Olgiy to Ulaangom, the Khotgor Track, can be funky in places but has many beautiful scenic spots along the way. So for anyone planning the Northern Route, plan via Olgiy and you avoid the biggest potential problem.
Planning the northern route for this summer..any other major watercrossings to be avoided on this route? (As far as anyone remember) lets say from Murun ..
Cheers !:thumbup1: great info mate

klausmong1 5 Mar 2017 13:08
After Ulaangom there is no major watercrossing anymore ( only smaller ones ) .
At least as long you stay close to the main route.

And from Moron on you have asphalt ( the Route Moron - Darkhan - UB )

If you go Moron - Burenkhhangai - UB, it is Gravelroad.
I do not know if there are major watercrossings.

But always think, it can be very different if it rains before or you ha snowmelting period.

2015 I crossed a river which was possible but deep, 2 days earlier a friend had no problem and almost no water on the same crossing.

Forestwiz 6 Mar 2017 02:17
Quote:
Originally Posted by klausmong1 (Post 558822)
After Ulaangom there is no major watercrossing anymore ( only smaller ones ) .
At least as long you stay close to the main route.

And from Moron on you have asphalt ( the Route Moron - Darkhan - UB )

If you go Moron - Burenkhhangai - UB, it is Gravelroad.
I do not know if there are major watercrossings.

But always think, it can be very different if it rains before or you ha snowmelting period.

2015 I crossed a river which was possible but deep, 2 days earlier a friend had no problem and almost no water on the same crossing.
Thanks Klaus! Yes i was in the east side for a big loop 2800kms,in 2015.mostly off road but took a part of the tarmac to UB.this summer going from Vladivostock to EU, passing Mongolia ,most probably that way in june/july..cheers

Pepa 26 Mar 2017 11:59
Southern road
 
Hello everyone,

Has anyone done the southern road recently? I know it is mostly paved, but are the non-paved parts doable with a small 2WD car? And can you get lost without a GPS or is there enough traffic to ask around? I understand that this site is mostly for bikes, but it seems to have a lot of helpful information about the state of the roads.

klausmong1 26 Mar 2017 13:32
It is possible.

Many people did it with 2wd

Also possible without GPS

You are doing the Mongol Rallye ?

fnormet 26 Mar 2017 16:19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pepa (Post 560298)
Hello everyone,

Has anyone done the southern road recently? I know it is mostly paved, but are the non-paved parts doable with a small 2WD car? And can you get lost without a GPS or is there enough traffic to ask around? I understand that this site is mostly for bikes, but it seems to have a lot of helpful information about the state of the roads.
When we were crossing Mongolia during the 2015 Mongol Rally, we noticed something strange. No matter how remote you thought to were, either somebody lived, worked or passed by quite close.

Southern route with properly getting lost (taking the wrong track that leads you to the big river, but you are right between the road with the bridge and the tractor's crossing road) and offroading in riverbeds, up the steep banks, sandy bits - all doable.

Also a friend's team drove through the southern route on coilovers without any issues, so ...

Pepa 27 Mar 2017 00:01
Quote:
Originally Posted by klausmong1 (Post 560300)
It is possible.

Many people did it with 2wd

Also possible without GPS

You are doing the Mongol Rallye ?
Thank you. No, we are not doing the Mongol Rally. We plan to travel from Europe through Russia, Kazakhstan and to Mongolia in the summer and then all the way back. We have done Europe-Vladivostok, through Caucasus and the Stans in 2014 with no problems, and this year we plan to enter Mongolia.

Pepa 27 Mar 2017 00:40
Quote:
Originally Posted by fnormet (Post 560305)
When we were crossing Mongolia during the 2015 Mongol Rally, we noticed something strange. No matter how remote you thought to were, either somebody lived, worked or passed by quite close.

Southern route with properly getting lost (taking the wrong track that leads you to the big river, but you are right between the road with the bridge and the tractor's crossing road) and offroading in riverbeds, up the steep banks, sandy bits - all doable.

Also a friend's team drove through the southern route on coilovers without any issues, so ...
Thanks. Sounds good.

Forestwiz 9 Apr 2017 07:24
Quote:
Originally Posted by chris (Post 457837)

It is possible to avoid the big river mentioned by riding Tsagaannuur to Olgi and the heading north east skirting the eastern shore of Achit Nuur lake and then turning east again.
Hi Chris this is a very good point .is there a way to point it on a map? or your GPX file to follow?I ve been reading of this river crossing several times and could be very important to avoid
bier

Forestwiz 9 Apr 2017 07:31
Quote:
Originally Posted by klausmong1 (Post 558822)
After Ulaangom there is no major watercrossing anymore ( only smaller ones ) .
At least as long you stay close to the main route.

And from Moron on you have asphalt ( the Route Moron - Darkhan - UB )

If you go Moron - Burenkhhangai - UB, it is Gravelroad.
I do not know if there are major watercrossings.

But always think, it can be very different if it rains before or you ha snowmelting period.

2015 I crossed a river which was possible but deep, 2 days earlier a friend had no problem and almost no water on the same crossing.
Hi Klaus! do u have a waypoint of this big watercrossing. or could point it on google maps just to get an idea /how to avoid it.cheers
bier

klausmong1 9 Apr 2017 09:39
The rivercrossing is on the way from Tashanta after the border to Ulangom.

If you take the route from Olgii to Ulangom, you have only smaller ones ( if it does not rain or you have a lot of melting snow )
I think we had around 30 crossings from small to 60cm deep

Forestwiz 9 Apr 2017 09:55
Quote:
Originally Posted by klausmong1 (Post 561107)
The rivercrossing is on the way from Tashanta after the border to Ulangom.
still a quiet wide area.can u attempt to pin point it on google maps or?
cheers


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