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chris 24 May 2012 10:03

Not Good News
 
Japanese Tourist Stabbed To Death In Siberia

motoreiter 24 May 2012 11:02

Two other links with more detail:

Japanese Man Dead in Siberia | News | The Moscow Times

Japanese Diplomat to Visit After Motorcycle Tourist Murdered in Siberia | News | The Moscow Times

motoreiter 24 May 2012 11:21

Here's another to an article (in Russian) with basically the same info, as well as some info about a couple of similar attacks over the past few years:

Японского мотоциклиста зарезали в Забайкалье - ПРОИСШЕСТВИЯ

Looks like this place is about halfway between Ulan Ude and Chita, a bit west of Khilok, near the 760 km marker on the Trans-Siberian Highway.

bushman_uk 24 May 2012 11:40

A great loss and a terrible thing to happen. RIP my thoughts to all his friends and family

seouljoe 24 May 2012 12:00

Shit,,,

Chris of Japan 24 May 2012 23:27

Japanese news said he was camped 500 meters from the road.
Usually far enough away not to be noticed from the road.
Poor guy was just a week into his RTW...
RIP

motoreiter 25 May 2012 03:34

There is definitely something odd about this whole situation--Camped in an isolated spot, 30 stab wounds, nothing taken?

I'm actually relatively confident that the local police will catch whoever is responsible--many of these crimes are not exactly committed by criminal masterminds, and they often leave a track of clues a mile wide, and the local police tend to know who the bad guys are. Hopefully in this case as well...

seouljoe 25 May 2012 11:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris of Japan (Post 380224)
Japanese news said he was camped 500 meters from the road.
Usually far enough away not to be noticed from the road.
Poor guy was just a week into his RTW...
RIP

Poignant ,,
A Korean rider couple saw him at several locations in Vladivostok ,, only few days ago,,, eating alone ,, and at a cafe ,, waiting for the bike etc, , also our Yuri Melickov saw him too, in Vladivostok ,, on his Suzuki,,,though he didn't clear the customs for him. He says ,, all of Vladivistok is in shock.

I am headed that way in two weeks ,,, may god be with me ,, Inshallah ,, !
,,

Life must go on ,, in the face of all the evil ,, 7.45 PM in Korea ,, I am having several stiff single malt as I write this.

craig.iedema 25 May 2012 13:07

Given there wasn't a theft that took place, I did wonder if it was a hate crime. Or some sort if misunderstanding that invoked a violent response.

Quite sad and I guess for those of us who will travel in this area soon a little concerning.

navalarchitect 27 May 2012 05:45

Yes its an awful thing to have happened and of course we all feel for his family and friends.

But also we need to keep it in perspective, this sort of thing happens randomly throughout the world, you name a country I'm sure I can find a similar instance quick enough (I know can for Australia and the UK the two places I have lived). It doesn't in anyway demonstrate Siberia is dangerous, it just shows 'shit just happens' as one of my friends likes to say. I camped and hoteled and stayed with people throughout Siberia last year and the people were uniformly friendly, much more so than in the more touristed and wealthier parts of Russia and Europe and I bet this is the case for most who travel there - so travel with an open mind and take usual care and don't let this put you off. (And statistically I'm sure you will have a much greater chance of being killed or injured on you trip by an aggresive car/truck driver than a crazed knife murderer).

Landroverholic 27 May 2012 10:29

Wow. Thats dreadful news. The sort of story that we all hope never to hear. Poor guy.

Callum

Tirpse 28 May 2012 06:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by navalarchitect (Post 380461)
Yes its an awful thing to have happened and of course we all feel for his family and friends.

But also we need to keep it in perspective, this sort of thing happens randomly throughout the world, you name a country I'm sure I can find a similar instance quick enough

I have to agree. I dont know how widely it has been in news but just this weekend there was major shooting in Finland which is known to be relatively safe. Some mad boy went into a rooftop of shopping mall 2 AM and started to shoot people in bar&nighclub with .308 and .22 caliber rifles One people died on the spot, second one died in hospital. One policewomen who arrived on scene right after shooting is has been in emergency care in hospital several days now and situation is not looking good for her. Also at least 4 or 5 wounded.

Almost every month or year there are also cases that just someone just goes berserk and stabbs or shoots someone. Recent case was just i think during winter when former mental hospital patient went and just stabbed 16 years old girl walking past him saying he wanted to get into treatment. Girl died and there has been in time of 3 years another similar case.

So i guess that if we start to look our own countries news at least i have realised bad things happens in every countries.

*Touring Ted* 28 May 2012 11:19

Just why ???

:confused1:


Terrible news... R.I.P

bushman_uk 31 May 2012 16:53

My friends in Chita have informed me that two men have been arrested for this crime and one has admitted his guilt .

motoreiter 31 May 2012 18:58

I couldn't find anything about an arrest online, but here is a link to an interesting article in Russian:

ИТАР-ТАСС : Основная версия убийства японского байкера в Забайкалье связана с корыстными мотивами

Unfortunately I don't have time to translate it, but a couple of interesting points:
--There was a snowstorm in the area on the night of May 22; some electrical workers saw the victim that evening and suggested that he move somewhere else, but could not make themselves understood;
--the next morning his moto was found in the village, and the local "mayor" notified the police, who soon found the body in a field near the road.
--as of the time of the article, more than 1000 potential witnesses had been interviewed, and they were looking for more drivers who might have seen something along the road.
--apparently the victim was an experienced traveler who had been to Europe, Africa, and India.

Elsewhere I saw that the governor of the region has taken personal control over the investigation. If nothing else, it appears that the Russian authorities are taking this crime very seriously.

bushman_uk 31 May 2012 20:07

[QUOTE=motoreiter;380977]I couldn't find anything about an arrest online, but here is a link to an interesting article in Russian:QUOTE]

Hi Motoreiter sent you a PM

nomad.r 31 May 2012 22:19

siberia
 
yes martin(navalarchitect) shit happens,but when some body looses their life for no reason whatsoever other than because some body didn't like the look of them is pretty sad.

i came across a lot of racism when i travelled to mongolia a few years back but funny most of it was in europe,both in west and east.Of course my traveling companion who was white had a very different experience from me.

nomad.r

Chris of Japan 1 Jun 2012 00:32

Japanese news is saying that two local men, ages 20 and 21, were arrested. the 20 year old has admitted the crime.
According to the article, the culprits met the victim evening of the 21st and and came to rob him before dawn on the 22nd. They dragged him tent and all into the forest after murdering him, but a car came by close and frightened them, so they ran away without taking anything. Investigators are looking for other accomplices.
Japanese language source: バイク旅行中の日本人男性殺害 男 人拘束 ロシア東シベリア - MSN産経ニュース

motoreiter 1 Jun 2012 05:13

Same old sad story; a couple of village idiots decide they can pick up a few bucks by murdering someone before thinking about the fact that their chances of getting caught are close to 100%. Did these morons think no one in the village would notice the stolen items?

It sounds like the victim camped on the road between the highway and this village. I think the main lesson is to stay as far away from any inhabited point when camping (and hope the bears don't get you).

Sambor 1 Jun 2012 15:43

Or stay in village and ask for permission to set up tent in the neighbourhood.

motoreiter 1 Jun 2012 16:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sambor (Post 381103)
Or stay in village and ask for permission to set up tent in the neighbourhood.

But I don't think the local drunks or bad guys care if you have permission or not?

Chri8 1 Jun 2012 16:31

When I cycled the first time in Russia some years ago (north cape - murmansk -piter) I camped one night with other russian cyclists.
One of them also warned me not to camp near villages and then took a pistol out of his bag, showing it to me and said: not for rabbits!


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