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lawan 3 May 2020 10:21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomkat (Post 610963)
Iawan that looks like a pretty fair plan. Coming down isn't a problem and naturally you don't want to limit your day's riding going up to a really short distance if you can avoid it. Your options could be a bit limited if you want to find a hotel for 10 for the night. Just be flexible and be prepared to turn back if anyone gets sick. Impress on them that they need to let the leader know if they do feel bad, it's no time to be a hero and really make a crisis.
Thank you very much for your advice Tomkat bier
We will adapt on the fly but starting from a logical roadmap. If we have to wait or go back, we will ... Our goal is to get to Ulaanbaatar from Barcelona and enjoy the trip

lawan 3 May 2020 10:26
Quote:
Originally Posted by levelo (Post 610929)
Hi Iawan,

Yes, way more reasonable to shoot for 2021.
I was already on my way to Central Asia but I turned back in mid-March.
Best of luck,

L.
Best of luck levelo!!

lawan 3 May 2020 10:29
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Originally Posted by smalle10 (Post 611018)
I would put in a day more and drive Wakhan Valley.

And take a slow day and sleep in Eshkashem 2600 m.

I hope I am going 2021.
I was considering that option too but we only have 40 days to complete the trip :(

lawan 3 May 2020 10:40
Quote:
Originally Posted by sushi2831 (Post 611043)
Hello

I haven't been there yet, so no knowledge about the situation.
But I have done some travelling in the andes, so I'm just looking at the numbers of the altitude.

I think the highest risk of running into a problem, if you do at all, is the last leg.

Riding the bike on those roads at sealevel is not the same as a full day at around 3500-4500m, every breath you take has only few oxigen.

I had a breakdown with my bike at around 4500m in Peru, I spend at least two weeks at the altiplano around 4000m was well adjusted, but still was hardly able to push the bike on tarmac for a couple hundert meters.

For solo or just with a buddy, the risk is not to high that you run into troubles, but in a group of 10?
To avoid problems, I would go slower, 5 days instead of 4.
Have a day of rest at 3000-3500m, but since I haven't been there yet I, don't know where a good place is to do that.
Just don't rush in high altitude.

Have a plan B in case someone can't adjust quickly and needs to desend to a lower altitude or you have a breakdown or accident and some of your group have to stay longer at that altitude.

There is no easy way to figure out who of your groupe is more prone to the high altitude.

Just my two cent about the risk of the altitude above 3000m.
Have a great trip, someday it will again be possible.

sushi
Thank you very much sushi2831!!

If necessary we will take a day off between Khorough and Murghab, see on the go.

Regarding accommodation, we'll not have a problem if we have to separate into 2 or 3 groups, it usually happens in the interior of Kazakhstan or Russia, but there are always people willing to stay.
The important thing is to start the day rested, with good landscapes and AC / DC soundtrack :scooter:

othermike 4 Aug 2020 18:25
Most of heat I can say has already been said, but I did this trip a couple of years ago. Altitude is a bitch and well worth preparing for by acclimatising. Fit people get struck with altitude as much as the unfit. Bikes with carburettors more so than people, so be prepared to take your time and go up in stages. Waking in the night, feeling like death is not usual but by the time its time to leave you won't notice it at all. You tend to ascend quickly by motorcycle so a few days in a high up town is best before hitting the high passes.

Money is easy. Take funds/Euro/dollars in large notes (honestly they prefer to change a 50 than a 10 and you can pay for almost anything and receive the change in local currency.

Basic guesthouses and homestays seem to be every where through the Stans. Usually for not much money you get a place to stay, dinner and breakfast and off you go.

We camped at Camp Lenin that was above 3000 meters and overlooked by the Pamir mountains. It was a cold and shit night but the views incredible and were woken by the brightest view or the Milky Way you have ever seen and the smell and sound of Yaks eating and snorting by the tent. I thought it was the snorers in the next tent but not......

The no mans land border crossing between Kyrghistan and Tadjihistan is quite and experience. A great off road road. Broken Brides no tarmac and a weirdness that you can't believe including RTW cyclists.......

We did the route by flying into and out of Osh!

Bests

Mike

Quote:
Originally Posted by lawan (Post 610837)
Hi all.

We will do again Barcelona - Ulaanbaatar but this time we want to include the Pamir highway.
Although our idea is to enjoy the trip, we are used to driving in harsh conditions and long distances if necessary.
We'll do the north route because we don't have many days.

- What state is the road in?
- How many stages could the Dusambe - Osh route be divided into?
- What accommodation options are there for a group of 8-10 riders?

Thanks in advance!!

lawan 6 Mar 2021 17:10
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Originally Posted by othermike (Post 613417)
Most of heat I can say has already been said, but I did this trip a couple of years ago. Altitude is a bitch and well worth preparing for by acclimatising. Fit people get struck with altitude as much as the unfit. Bikes with carburettors more so than people, so be prepared to take your time and go up in stages. Waking in the night, feeling like death is not usual but by the time its time to leave you won't notice it at all. You tend to ascend quickly by motorcycle so a few days in a high up town is best before hitting the high passes.

Money is easy. Take funds/Euro/dollars in large notes (honestly they prefer to change a 50 than a 10 and you can pay for almost anything and receive the change in local currency.

Basic guesthouses and homestays seem to be every where through the Stans. Usually for not much money you get a place to stay, dinner and breakfast and off you go.

We camped at Camp Lenin that was above 3000 meters and overlooked by the Pamir mountains. It was a cold and shit night but the views incredible and were woken by the brightest view or the Milky Way you have ever seen and the smell and sound of Yaks eating and snorting by the tent. I thought it was the snorers in the next tent but not......

The no mans land border crossing between Kyrghistan and Tadjihistan is quite and experience. A great off road road. Broken Brides no tarmac and a weirdness that you can't believe including RTW cyclists.......

We did the route by flying into and out of Osh!

Bests

Mike
Thank you very much Othermike bier

lawan 6 Mar 2021 17:16
If all goes well, I hope doing the trip in August.
We will do a rest and acclimatization stage in Khorugh and we will go to Iskhasim to see the market and we will also stay another day in Murghab if necessary.
We will probably do the Wakhan Corridor, can someone tell me which places would be advisable to rest? Somewhere we should see?
Thanks !!

anonymous3 7 Mar 2021 11:05
Number plate.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by klausmong1 (Post 610852)
Altai - Uliastay is a very easy offroad stretch. In my opinion. done that 2 times already.

Northern part in Tajikistan is much harder.

Both routes are beautiful.
Northern is more mountains and valley.

Southern you drive longer along the Panj river.

If you will do the northern part because you think you are faster, than this is maybe wrong.
I think southern part is much faster.

I like the way from Altai to Uliastay.

2018:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/MQprk8.jpg

And 2013:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...0/203/cjoc.jpg

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...0/843/opur.jpg
Klaus, I am curious, is that a couple of rubber bands holding your number plate on in the first image?
..I have seen too many foreign number plates in Russian biker clubhouses...
Kind regards
James

cyclopathic 7 Mar 2021 12:25
Quote:
Originally Posted by lawan (Post 618470)
If all goes well, I hope to do the trip in August.
We will do a rest and acclimatization stage in Khorugh and we will go to Iskhasim to see the market and we will also stay another day in Murghab if necessary.
We will probably do the Wakhan Corridor, can someone tell me which places would be advisable to rest? Somewhere we should see?
Thanks !!
There is a hot springs there ($15 including bed, dinner and breakfast) but climb there worse than the rest of highway.

EDIT: name of hotspring Fatima

klausmong1 9 Mar 2021 10:04
Quote:
Originally Posted by James1959 (Post 618484)
Klaus, I am curious, is that a couple of rubber bands holding your number plate on in the first image?
..I have seen too many foreign number plates in Russian biker clubhouses...
Kind regards
James
This are cable ties, to not lose the plates offroad.

Never had a problem that someone took my plates.
I dont even think about it. :mchappy:

cyclopathic 9 Mar 2021 13:12
Quote:
Originally Posted by othermike (Post 613417)
Most of heat I can say has already been said, but I did this trip a couple of years ago. Altitude is a bitch and well worth preparing for by acclimatising. Fit people get struck with altitude as much as the unfit. Bikes with carburettors more so than people, so be prepared to take your time and go up in stages. Waking in the night, feeling like death is not usual but by the time its time to leave you won't notice it at all. You tend to ascend quickly by motorcycle so a few days in a high up town is best before hitting the high passes.

Money is easy. Take funds/Euro/dollars in large notes (honestly they prefer to change a 50 than a 10 and you can pay for almost anything and receive the change in local currency.

Basic guesthouses and homestays seem to be every where through the Stans. Usually for not much money you get a place to stay, dinner and breakfast and off you go.

We camped at Camp Lenin that was above 3000 meters and overlooked by the Pamir mountains. It was a cold and shit night but the views incredible and were woken by the brightest view or the Milky Way you have ever seen and the smell and sound of Yaks eating and snorting by the tent. I thought it was the snorers in the next tent but not......

The no mans land border crossing between Kyrghistan and Tadjihistan is quite and experience. A great off road road. Broken Brides no tarmac and a weirdness that you can't believe including RTW cyclists.......

We did the route by flying into and out of Osh!

Bests

Mike
Quote:
Originally Posted by othermike (Post 613417)
......

The no mans land border crossing between Kyrghistan and Tadjihistan is quite and experience. A great off road road. Broken Brides no tarmac and a weirdness that you can't believe including RTW cyclists.......

We did the route by flying into and out of Osh!

Bests

Mike
I lost my passport and pack with documents in that 26km stretch.. had to go back and look for it. That pass is all red clay will be really slick when wet

People prefer riding loop counterclockwise, when you go clockwise from Osh you gain elevation fast.. iirc Osh is at 700m, Sir Tash at 3000 and passes at 4200-4600m. Could be hard and you don't know how your body react.

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Tomkat 9 Mar 2021 16:33
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclopathic (Post 618549)
People prefer riding loop counterclockwise, when you go clockwise from Osh you gain elevation fast.. iirc Osh is at 700m, Sir Tash at 3000 and passes at 4200-4600m. Could be hard and you don't know how your body react.
Yes, I spotted this when planning my route. But the plan for other parts means I have to do it that way. After Osh I plan to spend a couple of days in Sary-Tash to acclimatise at 3200m, maybe visit Pik Lenin base camp as a day trip, then one day to camp at Karakul and next day Murghab. That takes me over the Ak-Baital pass in the last stretch but back down to 3600m to sleep. After that it's back downhill to Khorog and Kalaikhum.

cyclopathic 9 Mar 2021 17:37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomkat (Post 618560)
Yes, I spotted this when planning my route. But the plan for other parts means I have to do it that way. After Osh I plan to spend a couple of days in Sary-Tash to acclimatise at 3200m, maybe visit Pik Lenin base camp as a day trip, then one day to camp at Karakul and next day Murghab. That takes me over the Ak-Baital pass in the last stretch but back down to 3600m to sleep. After that it's back downhill to Khorog and Kalaikhum.
There is literally nothing to do in Sary Tash; there are a couple stores, 2 gas stations, a restaurant with guesthouse.. If you want to get used to altitude go to Tash-Rabat.

lawan 9 Mar 2021 21:47
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclopathic (Post 618486)
There is a hot springs there ($15 including bed, dinner and breakfast) but climb there worse than the rest of highway.

EDIT: name of hotspring Fatima
in Iskhasim?

cyclopathic 9 Mar 2021 22:52
Quote:
Originally Posted by lawan (Post 618572)
in Iskhasim?
Bibi Fatima Hot Springs
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fp22zwKizcwjjsdJA


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