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Tiger3 30 Sep 2017 14:32

Nordkapp and kirkenes in Winter.
 
Hello, in February 2018 I will leave for Nordkapp, Murmansk and St Petersburg in solo with my 1200GSA named Walkyrie.
I would like to see northern Lights (aurora boréalis) and north in winter.

I would like to know where I can buy studded tubular tires.
At Larvick or Jökoping or other twon. (in France it's prohibited)

I will of course be equipped for very cold and the bike prepared too. ( ski, battery odyssey for skidoo and winter oil :0W.40) and jacket: canada goose, helmet :bombardier BVS and so on ....


* I need advice from Norwegian, Swedish and Finnish to prepare my itinerary.
1 ° itinerary by Norway:
Hirtshals / Larvick / Oslo / Lillehammer / Trondheim / Narvik / and Nordkapp
Which roads are most often cleared?
For you how many days i need in winter in good weather condition (of course).

2. By Sweden and Finland, the road is so practicable for a motorcycle and what average temperature? Odense Kobenhavn / Jönkoping / Uppsala / Sundsvall / Uméa / Rovaniemi Ivalo / Nordkapp / kirkenes.
For you how many days i need in winter in good weather condition (of course).

If it's so difficult and/or i m tired , i take ferry to go back.

thank's
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Snakeboy 30 Sep 2017 17:36

For studded tyres and other similar information this norwegian facebook group is a good source for information: https://m.facebook.com/groups/2415371249
Its a closed group so you will have to become a member first.

The E6 is the road that goes «all the way» through Norway so thats probably your safest bet when it comes to the best cleared road through Norway in the winter.

Tiger3 30 Sep 2017 19:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snakeboy (Post 571441)
For studded tyres and other similar information this norwegian facebook group is a good source for information: https://m.facebook.com/groups/2415371249
Its a closed group so you will have to become a member first.

The E6 is the road that goes «all the way» through Norway so thats probably your safest bet when it comes to the best cleared road through Norway in the winter.

Thank's Snakeboy, i will contact them .

sushi2831 1 Oct 2017 08:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger3 (Post 571434)
I would like to know where I can buy studded tubular tires.

Hirtshals / Larvick / Oslo / Lillehammer / Trondheim
Which roads are most often cleared?

Hello

I did two short trips in the south till Trondheim/Ostersund.
First in Dez14 and then in Feb16.
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...542#post551366

On both trips the E6 was a problem with the snow, just to much traffic, it's cleared itself.

Use small sideroutes and stay away from the coast.
I had better conditions in Sweden, a bit North of Karlstad the snow stayed on the road.

North of Trondheim/Ostersund it`s probably good.
Have a lock at https://www.vegvesen.no/trafikkinfor...nger/Webkamera

For the tyres.
First I used manufactured tyres.
But riding on icefree roads a bit to fast I lost the spikes in the middel.
No repair possible.
The second time I made my own, MX tyres with long nobbies and 4-5mm screw spikes.
MX tyres are cheap, the screw spikes are expensive an you need a lot.
But, when some spikes are lost just put new ones in or when the tyre is done, unscrew all the good spikes and use them on the next MX tyre.

have fun in the ice and cold
sushi

Tiger3 2 Oct 2017 15:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by sushi2831 (Post 571467)
Hello

I did two short trips in the south till Trondheim/Ostersund.
First in Dez14 and then in Feb16.
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...542#post551366

On both trips the E6 was a problem with the snow, just to much traffic, it's cleared itself.

Use small sideroutes and stay away from the coast.
I had better conditions in Sweden, a bit North of Karlstad the snow stayed on the road.

North of Trondheim/Ostersund it`s probably good.
Have a lock at https://www.vegvesen.no/trafikkinfor...nger/Webkamera

For the tyres.
First I used manufactured tyres.
But riding on icefree roads a bit to fast I lost the spikes in the middel.
No repair possible.
The second time I made my own, MX tyres with long nobbies and 4-5mm screw spikes.
MX tyres are cheap, the screw spikes are expensive an you need a lot.
But, when some spikes are lost just put new ones in or when the tyre is done, unscrew all the good spikes and use them on the next MX tyre.

have fun in the ice and cold
sushi

Thank you very much bier Sushi , for your advice I think actually go through the center, more direct and wild.
* I read everything and i post others questions

greeting :thumbup1:

Snakeboy 3 Oct 2017 09:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by sushi2831 (Post 571467)
Hello

I did two short trips in the south till Trondheim/Ostersund.
First in Dez14 and then in Feb16.
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...542#post551366

On both trips the E6 was a problem with the snow, just to much traffic, it's cleared itself.

Use small sideroutes and stay away from the coast.
I had better conditions in Sweden, a bit North of Karlstad the snow stayed on the road.

North of Trondheim/Ostersund it`s probably good.
Have a lock at https://www.vegvesen.no/trafikkinfor...nger/Webkamera

For the tyres.
First I used manufactured tyres.
But riding on icefree roads a bit to fast I lost the spikes in the middel.
No repair possible.
The second time I made my own, MX tyres with long nobbies and 4-5mm screw spikes.
MX tyres are cheap, the screw spikes are expensive an you need a lot.
But, when some spikes are lost just put new ones in or when the tyre is done, unscrew all the good spikes and use them on the next MX tyre.

have fun in the ice and cold
sushi

TS asks for which roads are oftest and most thorough cleared and in Norway the road south-north that is best/oftest/most thorough cleared is the E6. Sideroads are much less often and much less thorough cleared of snow. The E6 are much more often salted and looked after in general - thus it is the safest bet for winter riding. A BMW 1200 GSA is NOT a well suited vehicle for snow ploughing uncleared minor roads in Norway during winter. And tell me why you advise TS to stay away from the coast? The coastal climate is much milder and much less prone to snow and long lasting tempratures below zero. Coastal roads would in general be much better than any inland roads in Norway during winter if snow is the biggest concern. Coastal tempratures very seldom goes below minus 5-10, while inland tempratures often sees minus 20-30 degrees, and a couple of times pr year minus 40 as the coldest.

sushi2831 3 Oct 2017 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snakeboy (Post 571581)
TS asks for which roads are oftest and most thorough cleared and in Norway the road south-north that is best/oftest/most thorough cleared is the E6. Sideroads are much less often and much less thorough cleared of snow. The E6 are much more often salted and looked after in general - thus it is the safest bet for winter riding. A BMW 1200 GSA is NOT a well suited vehicle for snow ploughing uncleared minor roads in Norway during winter. And tell me why you advise TS to stay away from the coast? The coastal climate is much milder and much less prone to snow and long lasting tempratures below zero. Coastal roads would in general be much better than any inland roads in Norway during winter if snow is the biggest concern. Coastal tempratures very seldom goes below minus 5-10, while inland tempratures often sees minus 20-30 degrees, and a couple of times pr year minus 40 as the coldest.

Hello
Very simpel answer:
Quote:

Originally Posted by sushi2831 (Post 551366)
Rubber on snow/ice = no grip, very dangerous
Spikes on tarmac = some grip, like street tyres on gravel
Spikes on snow/ice = fun, fun, fun

Once you have spikes you need snow and ice on the road.
"Nordkapp and kirkenes in Winter" on two weehls without spikes is suicide.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger3 (Post 571434)
winter oil :0W.40

Implies to me, not planning on a warm sunday afternoon ride.


sushi


P.S.
I would advise a lighter and less expensive bike, but only Tiger3 knows his riding limits and how much loss in value he can live with.

Tiger3 3 Oct 2017 22:37

Good evening,
Don't worry I am not a beginner traveler I know to turn around for my bike or for me
Thank you for your answers.
I know that Walkyrie (my 1200GS) is not the lightest.
I will be equipped with ski fixed on the motorcycle and studded tires. I plan an oil has 0w40 and an odyssey battery.
to sleep I provide equipment -40 comfort. and electric heating equipment

I do not want to have too much road traffic, but not roads that you do not see where i drive for many many and many km (lol)
.
The nails quickly wear on the alphate road.

I would like to use "secondary roads". Frederiksshavn /
Göteborg Vänersborg Mora sveg östersund strömsund Mo iRana (norway) then Narvick and Nordkapp
Or Frederiksshavn / Oslo Hamar Elverum Ulsberg Trondheim then Nordkapp.
I want to ride without too much ferry to wait.
other question, the border Kirkenes / Storskog is open all the time?
Thank you for your opinions.

Tiger3 3 Oct 2017 23:00

https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.p...0823213617.jpg

This my helmet (bombardier BVS ) and jacket (i have one rukka below)
For my Gs mitas E 09 with nails, and sky
For sleep, hillberd nammagt Gt2 and warmth (-20/-40 and thermolite reator extrème +10°)

AnTyx 4 Oct 2017 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger3 (Post 571434)
I would like to know where I can buy studded tubular tires.
At Larvick or Jökoping or other twon. (in France it's prohibited)

You can most likely pre-order and have them shipped to a tire station in any major place out there. Just talk to people, call up on the phone.

Quote:

1 ° itinerary by Norway:
Hirtshals / Larvick / Oslo / Lillehammer / Trondheim / Narvik / and Nordkapp
Which roads are most often cleared?
For you how many days i need in winter in good weather condition (of course).
The E6 will be cleared the whole way but you will be in traffic with heavy goods vehicles, and it will just be Not Fun.
Some of the fjord ferries may simply not run in the winter. But for example the road from Narvik to Kiruna and on to the main Swedish highway network should be open.

In the summer I would say... half day Oslo-Lillehammer (I recommend the hostel in the train station, got a great deal on a comfy room there), 1 day Lillehammer-Trondheim, two days Trondheim-Bodo, one day via Lofoten to Andenes, one day Andenes-Gryllefjord-Tromso, one day Tromso-Alta-Nordkapp. So seven days. In the winter... nine-ten I guess?

Quote:

2. By Sweden and Finland, the road is so practicable for a motorcycle and what average temperature? Odense Kobenhavn / Jönkoping / Uppsala / Sundsvall / Uméa / Rovaniemi Ivalo / Nordkapp / kirkenes.
For you how many days i need in winter in good weather condition (of course).
In the summer I actually did Rovaniemi-Kiruna-Narvik in... about 7 hours of fast riding. (Got off the train at 8am, was in Arctic Animal Park before 15, but with one hour's time zone change.)

However, Sweden will be boring. Long flat straight country. Fast, safe, nothing to see. I would recommend a ferry from Rostock to Helsinki, then a car train from Helsinki to Kolari or Rovaniemi, depending on where the train goes that day. From both points, you get to Nordkapp in one day in the summer, so two days in the winter, and a lot less traffic than the E6.

Quote:

If it's so difficult and/or i m tired , i take ferry to go back.
Yes, you can take the Hurtigruten from Nordkapp/Kirkenes pretty much all the way down to southern Norway.

Snakeboy 4 Oct 2017 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by sushi2831 (Post 571610)
Hello
Very simpel answer:

Once you have spikes you need snow and ice on the road.
"Nordkapp and kirkenes in Winter" on two weehls without spikes is suicide.



Implies to me, not planning on a warm sunday afternoon ride.


sushi


P.S.
I would advise a lighter and less expensive bike, but only Tiger3 knows his riding limits and how much loss in value he can live with.

Rubber on snow/ice is quite fine if youre used to it - but thats on a small light bike. I rode bikes every day during winter when I was 15-16-17 and Im from a few hundred kms north of the artic circle. But I wouldnt recommend a 1200 GSA rider to do it. And I doubt a 1200 GSA loaded would be any fun even with spikes... But ok - I see your point.

Snakeboy 4 Oct 2017 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger3 (Post 571619)
Good evening,
Don't worry I am not a beginner traveler I know to turn around for my bike or for me
Thank you for your answers.
I know that Walkyrie (my 1200GS) is not the lightest.
I will be equipped with ski fixed on the motorcycle and studded tires. I plan an oil has 0w40 and an odyssey battery.
to sleep I provide equipment -40 comfort. and electric heating equipment

I do not want to have too much road traffic, but not roads that you do not see where i drive for many many and many km (lol)
.
The nails quickly wear on the alphate road.

I would like to use "secondary roads". Frederiksshavn /
Göteborg Vänersborg Mora sveg östersund strömsund Mo iRana (norway) then Narvick and Nordkapp
Or Frederiksshavn / Oslo Hamar Elverum Ulsberg Trondheim then Nordkapp.
I want to ride without too much ferry to wait.
other question, the border Kirkenes / Storskog is open all the time?
Thank you for your opinions.

The borderstation Storskog is open every day from 7 to 21.

sushi2831 4 Oct 2017 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger3 (Post 571622)
For my Gs mitas E 09 with nails

Hello


I bought my first set of tyres here:
MEFO SHOP
It's german but Google might help to translate.


After the trip I had to replace the rear tyre.
I used no. 1500 "Best Grip" screw spikes on a MX tyre (Mitas C02)
(Stud penetration into the rubber 13.5mm)
All products | Bestgrip Power Studs


sushi

Tiger3 5 Oct 2017 21:51

Hello Sushi, Snakeboy and Antyx
Sorry yesterday i have lot of work.
For the moment, im sure i dont 'want to ride on the E06
The goal of this trip is also to bivouac and test the bike by cold start by minus 40 (max) preparation of the motorcycle (skiing) setting carburation, petrol pump, alternator, oil (0w40) ... is in progress
I think I rally the krystall rally and then continue.
The options for the moment are as follows. Oslo and interior of the Sweden, or direct ferry Germany to Finland , Helsinki, then cross to join the Krystall and Narvik.
Another one is studying the interior of Norway, but I am afraid that altitude is a worry in winter.
For the nails, i have a very nice offer in France, in your opinion she size nails?
I will aim on my Mitas E09 dakar.
I get my sleeping bag in a few days.
Good news for the border, Snakeboy !

Merci ! ;-)

nordicbiker 9 Nov 2017 19:59

You might want to contact german Martin Leonhardt, who did a trip to the North Cape in Winter some years ago on a KTM 690 Enduro. Martin was sleeping outdoors many times during this trip.

https://freiheitenwelt.de/autor/

Another good person to talk to is Hans Rönnegård, a Swede who is well know here for his year-round adventures on motorcycles.

KONTAKTA OSS | mctouring

I have personally very limited experience of riding on ice and snow. I once had a 690 enduro equipped with 8mm studded enduro tyres which worked great on snow/ice covered logging road but gave VERY limited friction (and probably livetime) on asphalt. However riding any motorcycle on icy roads without studds seems simply suicidal to me, I know that from my own painful experience. You can loose friction that quickly that you have no time to react and a super heavy bike like the GSA could then easily smash a leg or foot. So short (car) studds are a must in Scandinavian winter, however they are not sufficient on pure ice or snow, where you would need skies in addition. Best get in contact with Hans, who can give you tons of tips!


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