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Shahaf 26 Jun 2022 09:27

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Originally Posted by PanEuropean (Post 629283)
Sharif:

Check that policy very carefully for exclusions. I suggest you get a lawyer with experience in that area of practice to look the terms of the policy over very carefully before you set out.

Will do, thank you for this!


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Originally Posted by PanEuropean (Post 629283)
An alternative: Trade in your 458 Spyder on a Purosangue, call Ferrari, and get them to sponsor your trip. Your idea is just silly enough that they might be interested in the publicity.

Michael

the Puro is not available haven't even launched yet... for me v8 midengine is the purest driving experience...if i was to choose a 4x4 for this i would probably pick a light Japanese reliable warrior like a Jimmy...

then again since when RTW is about being reasonable :)

Shahaf 26 Jun 2022 09:35

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Originally Posted by eurasiaoverland (Post 629284)
As it stands now Turkmenistan and China are closed for overland travel as far as I know. So any route north of Iran / Pakistan will likely be a no-go unless you bypass China to the north.

Otherwise I would start going the other way round and hope by the time you approach Asia from the east, that it is more amenable to overland travel.

EO

Can't do Iran :( I am US\ISR nationality... #1 #2 combo for govs that don't get along...

Had that border crossing roulette last year crossing into norway... I would sit a year until they reopen.

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Originally Posted by eurasiaoverland (Post 629284)
I would ignore the security advice for Iran and Pakistan (and pretty much everywhere else), but you will need a carnet de passages with a bond / guarantee for several times the value of the vehicle, which I guess could sting...

Do you know of any other countries in this route that have this excess bond? i might have to skip some if this is the case, thank you for bringing this up.

Do you recommend any route between Baku, cross Himalayas, into Thailand that is ok for a low clearance car?

Grant Johnson 27 Jun 2022 01:46

Research CARNETS! You will need one for lots of countries.

See the Carnet Information Page and check it out carefully.

Depending on where the vehicle is registered, it could be crazy expensive - or just expensive.

markharf 27 Jun 2022 03:48

Just in case you're tempted to keep planning your trip without following Grant's advice above: DON'T. If you can't afford the cost of a carnet, you might not get very far.

Of course, anyone planning to take a ~US$250k, 12mpg, low ground clearance vehicle on a long journey may not be as price-conscious as I'd be. But still...

eurasiaoverland 27 Jun 2022 03:49

OK, that's a shame you can't go through Iran...

China is closed with nothing like a fixed date for opening (and it always involved a full, personal tour to cross the country by private vehicle).

Russia appears still to be closed for overland entry - not because of the invasion of Ukraine but due to old covid rules. If you have family in Russia, that might help.

So potentially there is no way east for you.

Regards a carnet de passages, you need it for Pakistan, India and Malaysia (if you ship in / out, not if you cross by land).

Right now the best chance is probably to hope that Russia opens its borders soon, then drive right across the country (in summer) to Vladivostok or Nakhodka and ship from there to SE Asia / Australia.

Roads are about the least of your worries - Asia is full of paved roads and apart from the odd pothole you should be fine. You don't need to go offroad to cross the place.


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Originally Posted by Shahaf (Post 629307)
Can't do Iran :( I am US\ISR nationality... #1 #2 combo for govs that don't get along...

Had that border crossing roulette last year crossing into norway... I would sit a year until they reopen.



Do you know of any other countries in this route that have this excess bond? i might have to skip some if this is the case, thank you for bringing this up.

Do you recommend any route between Baku, cross Himalayas, into Thailand that is ok for a low clearance car?


Jay_Benson 27 Jun 2022 14:00

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Originally Posted by Shahaf (Post 629307)
Can't do Iran :( I am US\ISR nationality... #1 #2 combo for govs that don't get along...

As a favour, I am prepared to volunteer to drive the car through Iran for you. Just not at the moment as I have managed to crack my collar bone so I can't drive / ride for 6 weeks.

Shahaf 30 Jun 2022 11:49

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Originally Posted by Grant Johnson (Post 629321)
Research CARNETS! You will need one for lots of countries.

See the Carnet Information Page and check it out carefully.

Depending on where the vehicle is registered, it could be crazy expensive - or just expensive.

First thank you for this board, its an amazing resource!

Thank you for this, car is registered in Germany, it seems like no matter which route I take I will need a carnet, Japan seems extra difficult to get into even with... seems like I will need to leave a massive bond at ADAC and visit a bunch of embassies before this will happen.

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Originally Posted by markharf (Post 629324)
Just in case you're tempted to keep planning your trip without following Grant's advice above: DON'T. If you can't afford the cost of a carnet, you might not get very far.

Of course, anyone planning to take a ~US$250k, 12mpg, low ground clearance vehicle on a long journey may not be as price-conscious as I'd be. But still...

I wouldn't dare + insurance (if someone will be stupid enough to insure this)

12mpg is if you barely touch the gas... when you go its about half that...waited all my life to get this car...actually my first car owned at age 46, well worth the wait, its not about affording its about things you must do...

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Originally Posted by eurasiaoverland (Post 629325)
OK, that's a shame you can't go through Iran...

China .....(and it always involved a full, personal tour to cross the country by private vehicle).

Right now the best chance Vladivostok or Nakhodka and ship from there to SE Asia / Australia.

Roads are about the least of your worries - Asia is full of paved roads and apart from the odd pothole you should be fine. You don't need to go offroad to cross the place.

Vladivostok ferry to japan\korea is not moving people just vehicles .... looks like we will have to wait until covid will pass....I am more excited about the himalayas souther path anyhow.

China, I have read that if you have their drivers license you can drive though without escort, do you know if that's true?

Roads, can you recommend a path via Turk,Uzbek, Taj, [china], Paki, India, Nepal Bhutan,[Burma\China] to Thailand? this is the part that seems most challenging for me....

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Originally Posted by Jay_Benson (Post 629337)
As a favour, I am prepared to volunteer to drive the car through Iran for you. Just not at the moment as I have managed to crack my collar bone so I can't drive / ride for 6 weeks.


lol there is an israeli flag on the car, very visible, I am not sure it will be a good idea :)

I had the same...broken glenoid and collar... complete shitshow...never rode since....., take it easy and when its time for phisio be a good lad and do as they say...

Rapax 1 Jul 2022 06:03

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Originally Posted by Shahaf (Post 629393)

China, I have read that if you have their drivers license you can drive though without escort, do you know if that's true?

Sounds a bit weird to me but

why don`t ask you potential new friends of the Ferrari Owners' Club of China?

https://www.ferrari.com/de-DE/auto/owners-club-china

Maybe they know or they can help you to realize your plan...

eurasiaoverland 1 Jul 2022 15:09

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Originally Posted by Shahaf (Post 629393)
12mpg is if you barely touch the gas... when you go its about half that...waited all my life to get this car...actually my first car owned at age 46, well worth the wait, its not about affording its about things you must do...

I like your style!

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Originally Posted by Shahaf (Post 629393)
Vladivostok ferry to japan\korea is not moving people just vehicles .... looks like we will have to wait until covid will pass....I am more excited about the himalayas souther path anyhow.

Driving across Russia would be fun, though you would be missing out a lot compared to doing the southern route. But you could ship to SE Asia (e.g. Thailand) and bypass a lot of problems. Let me know if you come to Borneo.

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Originally Posted by Shahaf (Post 629393)
China, I have read that if you have their drivers license you can drive though without escort, do you know if that's true?

I believe it is, but to bring a non-Chinese registered vehicle into China requires some support from the right people in the right places, and if you don't have access to these kind of people, you need to pay for a tour from a travel agent. It's not a vast sum in the scale of things, but it's not cheap either. Thailand technically now has a similar rule, and the rule seems to be enforced if you arrive overland from Burma.

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Originally Posted by Shahaf (Post 629393)
Roads, can you recommend a path via Turk,Uzbek, Taj, [china], Paki, India, Nepal Bhutan,[Burma\China] to Thailand? this is the part that seems most challenging for me....

I would drive through Russia (all major roads are good) into Kazakhstan (Oral - Aktobe - Aral - Kyzylorda - Taraz and then either detour through Kyrgyzstan or head straight to China (which is currently closed). I assume all major roads in China are fine. There is only one route then to the Indian border (stay on the KKH). Highways in India are meant to be OK. Not sure about Burma but you can ask your travel agent as this is yet another country which requires you take a guide / tour to self drive (up until covid and the coup last year, since which time the country has remained closed).

The idea of taking a Ferrari into India is pretty terrifying, you will be swarmed and any remotely detachable part of the car will be in people's hands before you see what's happening.

EO

steve_m77 12 Jul 2022 15:11

Suggest you watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRjG...zPJkPy&index=3

Harry Metcalf started EVO magazine in the UK years ago, he's a farmer and a biker too and he's quite fond of rough, character building journeys but in this video he takes his Ferrari to Morocco. The roads and country are pretty easy going compared to some of the countries you've mentioned and his tyres are taller, being an 80s Testarossa. This is probably easy compared to what you will face, hence why people recommend a basic Landcruiser.

If you do go, please post back here regularly, it'll be an interesting journey for sure :thumbup1:

TodoTerreno 4 Aug 2022 00:20

Interesting, at least. Keep us updated.

How would I like to enjoy such a car RTW? Mostly paved and twisted roads, off street parked at night, in reach of service/parts/experienced mechanics.

The Harry´s Garage videos already mentioned above are really good inspirations, how and where to travel in such cars.

Continue touring Europe, that´s what a Ferrari was made for.

Depending where you´re located (Israel?), ship over to Greece, tour the Balkan, Karpatian Mnts, (or alternativeliy Italy from the heel up to Modena;-), then Alps from east to west including all the classic passes, avoid the french Med (where Ferraris are common like VW Golf elsewhere and are more likely to disappear), turn north: Route Napoleon>Vogeses > Nürburgring> Paris> Normandy, Bretgane, then turn left: Bordeaux, Bilbao, Galizia, down through Portugal to Andaluzia, (hop over for Morocco>Dakar) return crossing Spain via sierra Nevada, Madrid, loop the Pyrenees(again avoid the Med).

Time for an oil service, new tires, spark plugs. Best chance for a reliable independent Ferrari experienced workshop would be in the triangle Paris>Cologne>Amsterdam.

Decide, where to ship next...
- Americas: Antwerpen>Halifax> extended Gumball NYC>LA, (I´d avoid Latin America in that car)
- southern Africa, return to Israel via east coast

I´d believe a break down in some remote corner of a former soviet state might be the most difficult and costly situation to deal with, followed by South East Asia. If you trust your car and your own abilities to handle every break down yourself you´d be good to go everywhere, in a modern 458 you should carry the right software to override limp mode/erase failure codes etc.

Enjoy your trip and show us pictures from your Ferrari under northern lights (or it didn´t happen).

AnTyx 4 Aug 2022 08:50

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Originally Posted by Shahaf (Post 629307)
Can't do Iran :( I am US\ISR nationality... #1 #2 combo for govs that don't get along...

Had that border crossing roulette last year crossing into norway... I would sit a year until they reopen.

Sorry, just curious about this... 1) How did you get in trouble crossing into Norway anyway, unless you were driving a van full of Swedish-taxed booze? :D and 2) why would Norway be upset by US/ISR nationality?


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