we really need cdp for Thailand? i'm french
thanks

Thailand in non cdp country. I don’t understand why riders are using cdp to enter Thailand. They are creating a trend that will cost a problem with overlanders without cdp. They will be making it hard for other to travel around Asia.


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https://overlandingassociation.org/carnet-de-passage/

Here is the information about CDP countries regardless of where are you from. Thailand has relaxed the guide rules as well. Contact David Goodchild. And the benefits of other rider don’t wave cdp in front of Thailand entry port.


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Hi Myrkskog,

Are you sure , you don't need Thai agency tour. If you cross border Thailand. Can you share with me.bier

tks

The rule and laws about mandatory guides and permits are still valid in Thailand. But mostly they are not enforced. I think the only border that enforces these requirements is the Mae Sot - Mywaddy bordercrossing between Myanmar and Thailand. On other bordercrossings permit and guide rules are mostly not enforced.
But dont make the mistake that just because somebody else did cross any border sucsessfully xyz years ago you will be able to do so too.

Contact David Goodchild on Facebook as he most certainly is the most knowledgeable person about the enforcement of the permit and guide laws on the different bordercrossings into Thailand.

The latest overland crossers from India through Myanmar and into Thailand using the Tachilek-Mae Sai border did NOT get into Thailnd without permits and guides. They came all not prepared for this so they only solution was to truck the bikes on the back of a pickuptruck through a little bit of thai territory and then cross into Laos. And then they could re-enter Thailand from Laos without permits and guides. They had to pay 400 USD each for this service...

So conclusion is that also this border now have started to enforce the mandatory permit and guide law.

More updates in the Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1024...702/?ref=share

Also the next group of travellers going through Myanmar from India to Thailand was denied entry to Thailand at the Tachilek-Mae Sai bordercrossing because they didnt arrange any guides and permits. They also had to transport their bikes through Thailand and into Laos on the back of a pick-up truck. They mentioned they had to pay 200 USD pr bike for this service. And then from Laos they were readily able to enter Thailand again without permits and guides....:scooter:

Some more not so good news about the situation entering Thailand:

The bordercrossing between Laos and Thailand Huay Xai to Chiang Khong has now started to enforce the mandatory permits and guide rules for foreign vehicles entering Thailand. As of a couple of months ago overlanders coming through Myanmar entering Thailand through the Tachilek-Mae Sai bordercrossing were no longer allowed to enter Thailand without guides and permits. They then found a solution as to truck their bikes from Mae Sai to the closest Thailand-Laos bordercrossing which is Chiang Khong-Huay Xai. Then they just turned around and entered Thailand again at the same border and were then granted a 30 day TIP as of the old system. Unfortunately thats seem to not be possible anymore as some overlanders who tried to do the same were turned down and denied entry to Thailand at Chiang Khong without permit and guides.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1024...702/?ref=share

Betong
 

Hi All.

I wanted to share my recent experience here in case it can help others. I am a solo rider, American currently riding RTW. I crossed from Malaysia to Thailand on Jan 18, at the Betong border.

I do have a Carnet, because I need it for my route, but it is not required in Thailand. I had spoken with David Goodchild prior to my crossing and purchased a very basic insurance with his help (as this is required, however in the end no one asked me for it), as well as had the copies of some forms needed. At the border you can also get these forms, so no problem. He also recommended this border to me.

I crossed on a Saturday morning, so quiet, no traffic at all. Everyone was very friendly and welcoming, no mention of a guide or anything. The customs officers were shaking my hands and welcoming me.
I was stamped in and given 30 days and no cost for visa. I was pleasantly surprised because I expected only 15 days due to entering overland and I expected to pay for visa.

At the border they never asked me for the insurance. Also, I have been waived through all police checkpoints, never stopped. Anyway, I do not mind getting it just in case.

So, that was my experience. Good luck to all!

Betong Border Malaysia to Thailand
 

Hi All.

I wanted to share my recent experience here in case it can help others. I am a solo rider, American, currently riding RTW. I crossed from Malaysia to Thailand on Jan 18, at the Betong border.

I do have a Carnet, because I need it for my route, but it is not required in Thailand. I had spoken with David Goodchild prior to my crossing and purchased a very basic insurance with his help (as this is required, however in the end no one asked me for it), as well as had the copies of some forms needed. At the border you can also get these forms, so no problem. He also recommended this border to me.

I crossed on a Saturday morning; it was so quiet, no traffic at all. Everyone was very friendly and welcoming, no mention of a guide or anything. The customs officers were shaking my hands and welcoming me.
I was stamped in and given 30 days and no cost for visa. I was pleasantly surprised because I expected only 15 days due to entering overland and I expected to pay for visa.

At the border they never asked me for the insurance. Also, I have been waived through all police checkpoints, never stopped. Anyway, I do not mind getting it just in case.

So, that was my experience. Good luck to all!

As a citizen of Usa you were given a 30 day visa excemption, which is free. The 15 days visa excemption was changed back in 2016 and for a US passportholder it was always 30 days.

You can extend you visa excemption at any Immigration office in Thailand with another 30 days for a cost of 1900 baht. Almost all of Thailands 76 provinces has an immigration office btw.

Anyhow - thanks for sharing your experiences, appriciated!:thumbup1:

Yes, I knew about possibility to extend. Thanks for clarifying the above. You know I researched it a ton, even on US state dept and Thailand consulate website and it is not clear at all. So I was pleasantly surprised by what I got!