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Vin Rubbing Explained
Sojourning Mendicant,
It is with great pleasure I report that... yes, you can legally rub your own vin in Pennsylvania, and even take a photo, but please remember don't try rubbing your own vin in Bolivia. Pennsylvania says: "3. All vehicles previously titled in another state. A tracing is obtained by placing tracing paper against the VIN plate and applying pressure with a lead pencil, stroking left to right across the entire surface of the VIN plate so as to produce on the paper an image of all information which has been embossed on the plate. If you are unable to locate your vehicle’s VIN plate or you are unable to secure a legible tracing of the plate, contact a certified inspection mechanic or notary public employed by a motor vehicle dealer or issuing agent. These individuals are authorized to inspect and visually verify the VIN when a tracing of the plate is not possible. The certified inspection mechanic or authorized notary public is required to list their name, DIN or mechanic number and signature in Section A. (NOTE: A photograph of the vehicle’s VIN plate is acceptable if the photo is signed and dated by a certified inspection mechanic.) The certified inspection mechanic’s signature indicates that he/she visually inspected the VIN on the vehicle and that the VIN numbers match the proof of ownership. If the vehicle is physically located outside of Pennsylvania, the vehicle identification number must be visually verified by a police officer, a mechanic employed by a motor vehicle dealer or an Armed Forces installation provost marshal or motor transportation officer using Form MV-41, “Application for Correction of Vehicle Record or Verification of Vehicle Identification Number.” " xfiltrate |
TIP transfer question
Thanks for sharing, Sojourning Medicant. I spent a long time on the phone with the Washington State DOL today and confirmed that the title change can be completed via mail regardless of the fact that the buyer does not have a US drivers license. The DOL cannot provide state-registration for the bike without a driver's license, but that actually helps out in this situation. The bike title will be transfered without a need to pay WA licensing fees (typically 10-15% of the value of the bike). Given the buyer will not be riding in the US, the lack of registration will not be an issue in SA (similar your situation, it sounds like). We'll have the title changed via mail and the buyer will have the new title in hand when we actually exchange the bike. The question for me is how to get the TIP transfered to his name. We're in Santiago and going to Zona Franca is not an option. I've read a number of accounts of buyers and sellers riding together to a border, exiting one country under the sellers name, and entering the next country under the buyers name. I'd rather do this in an Aduana office without having to ride to a border. I wonder, can the TIP transfer only be done at the border or in Zona Franca, or can this be proccessed in any Aduana office?
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Rubbing your own vin... CORRECTION
rosa del desierto, who occasionally reads my HUBB posts and less often listens to me when I am speaking, has advised me that it was not in Bolivia that it is illegal to rub your own vin, but in Colombia.
As posted elsewhere on the HUBB...She injured her foot, on a muddy mountain pass in southern Colombia, and, we had to exit Colombia without our motorcycles for her medical treatment that would obligate us to be out of Colombia beyond the time allowed on our TVIPs. As part of the application process for an extension of our TVIPs, we had to find a certified vin rubber as we were not permitted to rub our own vins in Colombia. Vin rubbing - explained here by the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation where it is legal to rub your own..... "applying pressure with a lead pencil, stroking left to right across the entire surface of the VIN plate so as to produce on the paper an image of all information which has been embossed on the plate." My only defense is that it is "Devils week" here in this beach town on the west coast of Mexico and it is all youth and beauty celebrating life and I have become distracted more than once. The Sonora produced bacanora/aqua dente - better know as mescal that I have imbibed today might also have played a role in my confusing Bolivia with Colombia. Yes, it is legal to rub your own vin in Pennsylvania and you might be able to legally rub your own vin in Bolivia, but rubbing your own vin in Colombia is definitely illegal. Thanks to rosa del desierto I have not only corrected my mistake, but as she has ordered have explained why I needed to be rubbing my own vin in Colombia. FYI xfiltrate Eat , and Drink bacanora! |
possible to change TVIP in Santiago, Valparaiso
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I just went to the Aduana office in Valparaiso and they confirmed that with the new US ownership documents the buyer and I can cancel the existing TVIP and create a new one in the buyer's name. Fernando is the guy who works at the office, he spoke just enough English to work through it with me. He said the buyer and I can do this either in the Valparaiso office in Plaza Sotomayor or in Santiago at the Aduana office near the airport. |
I have now crossed the Chilean/Argentinean border several times with no issues at all. And note that I didn't even get a new title.. I have the seller's Alaskan title with both of our info written/signed on the back. As well as the notarized bill of sale with both of our thumbprints, etc. Haven't been asked at all about having the title in my own name.. they are only confused because the license plate number is NOT on the front of an Alaskan title. So far, aduana/border officials have been nothing but friendly.. not even inspected my luggage for food or other items, just wanted to know where I'm traveling, etc.!
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So how would this be:
An european person buys a new bike in Colombia in his own name and rides it down south to Patagonia and then wants to sell it. And another european wants to buy it there. Theres no reason trying to get a chilean rego on it I suppose? Just a clean sale and transfer of ownership, will this be possible? What steps to take? Go to a Notario and then Aduana or do it inbetween borders? |
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It is not necessary to register a foreign vehicle in the Chilean system and anyway it is usually (usually!) impossible to import and register a used foreign vehicle in Chile, except for legal residents of Zona Franca areas or returning Chilean nationals who have lived outside of Chile. Note: A notaría is the office where the notario, who is a person, works; a notaría is essentially "owned" by the notario who has the licence to act in that capacity. At the notaría there is usually a take-a-number device and then you wait for your number to be called. Owner and seller will request a compraventa for a foreign vehicle transfer. Both owner and seller present their passports and usually the ownership documents for the vehicle. The staff at notarías rarely speak languages other than Spanish. If you do not speak Spanish then you may wish to have someone help with this. Be extremely careful to be sure that the licence number and VIN for the vehicle are correctly recorded on the compraventa. You will receive one original of the signed and "legalised" compraventa document. I strongly recommend that you pay for at least two more legalised copies of that compraventa and keep them in separate, safe places. In Chile, a "copia simple" which is a photocopy that is not certified or "legalizado" has very little value. It has been my experience with foreign registered/ foreign-plate vehicles that even when the foreign registration is expired, this is usually of no consequence to Chilean authorities. I have seen bikes that are years out of registration that circulate freely with no problems. Remember that a foreign vehicle is always required to have a valid temporary-import TITV (Título de Importación Temporal de Vehículos). A vehicle without a valid TITV can be seized and the operator can be jailed and/or fined. |
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So will this Compraventa document be recognised at all borders in SA? And how would it be done to change the name on the TITV? |
One question more :)
Hi Snakeboy
I brought a Polish registered bike in Ecuador using the same process, a notary it cost a total of 100usd. I left Ecuador and entered Peru no problems i now plan on riding through Bolivia and selling the motorbike in Argentina to another traveller as my names not on the original documents could this be problem or is it just the same procedure using a notary. Many Thanks |
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Both seller and buyer would have to go to Aduana. Then a request about the bike have to be sent to Interpol Francia. This will cost 20 000 CHP and an answer would come in 7-30 days. When the request comes back the seller will get chilean papers and chilean regoplates on it and this costs another 80 000 CHP. And thats the only way to do such an transaction LEGAL in Punta Arenas according to Aduana Punta Arenas. I am not an expert on laws and enforcing of laws in Chile - but I found this quite strange to put it mildly... Any thought around this? |
Hi all. With apologies for reviving an old thread, and after a search of the site and elsewhere for more recent news, I would be grateful for any enlightenment:
A friend is riding their UK registered moto to Chile now. I want to buy it from them and ride it North. The transfer of UK registration (title in US parlance) is straightforward. However buyer and seller will not be in Chile simultaneously (seller leaves in March and I arrive in October). My understanding is that buyer and seller are required jointly to go to Aduana and make the transfer of the TIP. Can any of the wise travellers with direct experience of this suggest a work around please? Thanks in advance Simon |
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