Revolution Road guys need accomodation in Buenos Aires
 

Me and My mate Steve are in Buenos Aires waiting for our 1940s Nortons to clear customs so we can start our trip following in Che Guevara's wheeltracks around Argentina, Chile, Peru, Colombia and Venezuela.
We're carrying on in the same way as Che and Alberto, staying with locals wherever possible rather than in hotels.
We've stayed with a great couple the past few days but need to find a new place to stay for another couple of days.
Any bikers in Buenos Aires or beyond (miramar, bahia blanca, bariloche etc) who can put us up, please get in touch!!
Pete Sandford, Steve Holmes
Revolution Road. Retracing Che Guevara's epic 1952 road trip

you don't get it..
 

Waterfox, you don't seem to get it.
We like to stay with locals because we get to find out about the real place, not the thin surface veneer seen by tourists staying in hotels.
I'd rather stay with a local and take them out for meals each night than put money into the pockets of Mr Hilton & Co. for some sterile hotel room that's identical to every other one in their global empire.
We'll carry on just fine as we are but thanks anyway for your misguided advice.

There's only one place to stay in Bs As for moto travellers: Dakar Motos.

Regards, Mick

EXACTLY! They choose the place, we're happy to pay!

Man, you're one misinformed guy!
Couchsurfing is a two-way street. The couple we just stayed with toured the UK a couple of years ago with no accomodation costs and learned much more about the country than they ever would have done by travelling around staying in hotels - not that they could afford hotels in the first place. This summer they're off to mainland Europe doing the same and are more than happy to return the favour for travellers to their beautiful city.

Can we drop this now? Life's too short!

For our non castellan litterate people in here, a zangano is the "husband of the bee", reknown for letting the ladies work and useful only for reproduction purposes ; a fookin lazy bastid.

That would be a rather brief trip as Che Guevara DID NOT RIDE a motorcycle through South America....Read the book.

"“To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail.
“This is a revolution. And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate.”

-Che Guevara

Good grief. What a bizarre thread.

Don and I are settled into our small apartment for the week, guys, but there isn't room for two more. Our wives have taken up all the extra space. I'll be back at Dakar Motos next week, so I'm enjoying this now.

Nortons
 

Nortons,well thats fine.Good luck pushing the Che Guevara bullshit! A good part of the continent is still suffering from the shit he tried to flog them 50 years ago.
Ask Ingrid Betancourt!!!
Al theturtleshead

Colombia
 

Genuine enquiry Albert. Am I wrong if I think the present Colombian government is a right wing, selfish colonial group prolonging minority power over the majority indiginous disenfranchised? I have long thought the original ideals of FARC were great, then long ago lost in corruption. I also thought many teachers and trades union leaders were still being assasinated by the government. I am not being sarcastic. Linzi.

IMHO it might be nice to not continue to hijack swampcat's post. If you're got a bed for him, fine, if you know a bed, fine, but if you don't like his style/desire for a cheap bed, maybe email/PM him.

It might be interesting to start a new Guevara/FARC/Colombian government thread for your discussion.

cheers
Chris

PS. I hope swampcat's Norton is more reliable than Che's. I enjoyed the film (cinematography and reminder of places I'd been...) but found the book too boring.

Hi Waterfox
The lingua franca of this forum is English, so please use that. Please translate this into English or it'll be deleted. I've just put the text into a translation program and despite the software's failings, it doesn't sound very nice. The overriding majority of people on the HUBB are civil to each other.

Thanks
Chris

PS. I imagine you and the Norton chaps won't be meeting up.

Help
 

Swampcat, if you check guzzigalore.nl you'll find he met with bikers in Argentina I think. Sorry for not going through the site to give a link but it's a great site. It's in English mostly after Colombia. Scroll down and view the right side to get the archive. Damned good luck and best wishes. I am envious of you. Linzi.

Colombians do not care much for Che or his politics and the mood here is distinctly right wing. On the other hand, the mood of the indigenous groups is distinctly left wing and they are continually labeled as FARC. Che and Alberto had lost "La Poderosa" by the time they hit Colombia and the book really has little to say about the country. What Che did have to say about Colombia was pretty negative and he would probably feel the same way today.

You are welcome to stay at my modest place in Bogota, but I will probably have moved to Santa Marta by the time you arrive. You will be equally welcome to stay with me there; wherever that is.

Well I don,t know
 

Talking to the Colombians in the street it would appear that the current government,whilst not perfect by any means has changed the country around with at least until the current world crisis,steady economic growth and more importantly a much safer enviroment to live in.
Medellin,once one of the more dangerous places to be is now one of the safest.Considerably more so than Quito the other city I live in.In Medellin for the most part you don,t see the petty crime that is now rife in Quito.
Whilst I,ve been here about 9 months or so now it,s only been good news on the battle against the Farc.
The more they fall by the wayside the safer things become.Especially since the involvment of the neighbours was called into play.They now have nowhere to run!!!
So feel free to attend Colombia Libre 2009! the Riders Rally I,m getting together in November!!!
More details to follow
Al theturtleshead

Ta
 

Thanks Al, you're fortunate to live in the city of springtime. Linzi.

I had a chance to talk at length with several Colombians when I was in Bogota, and without exception they were all in favor of the current government's actions. Of course, I didn't talk to everyone.

You may have lived half your life in the UK but...I cannot make any sense of your English translation. Sorry. Linzi.

I m always surprised by the arrogance of some anglo saxon natives, a kind of cultural pride based on nothing tangible except the nostalgy of an extinct colonial past.

I was also surprised how little they were interested in learning spanish while travelling in South America, as if everybody should naturally understand their gimmick worldwide.

Let s hope that our controversial shoe string veteran travellers will benefit from argentines natural generosity and curiosity for foreigners to open themselves to the culture and the language, and that locals will be more indulgent with their spanish than Linzi when they speak his language. :nono:

And yes the Che frenzy after the film can be felt as pathetic and an oversimplification of the complex mixture of influences that built their culture, just like tango tourist traps. I was surprised to see how some of my local friends reacted negatively while i was playing "don t cry for me Argentina". Holliywood junk clichés that can irritate when repeated too often.

I perfectly understood you, Waterfox

As a Spanish speaker I wouldn,t call this offensive at all.
Also it,s one thing being offered hospitality,it,s another thing blatently asking for it.
These guys should at least have the common sense to wait to be offered something.
If they are not a pair of dickwits the hospitality would have been forthcoming!!!
Al theturtleshead

Rudeness
 

Waterfox, in future when you want to be rude, do so in public, not by private message. Learn to use punctuation and your writing will possibly make sense. Without it, no chance. Sorry. Lindsay.

Vorteks
 

You are wrong in all you say. I am not anglo saxon. I speak German. If you are always amazed, perhaps you're doing something wrong. I am not amazed at what you mention. But it does irritate me. You've got the wrong target though and I have never been to Argentina. Linzi.

Gut, dann koennen wir uns ja auch auf Deutsch unterhalten: Viele Sachen stehen nicht in den Regeln, aber da 99.99% aller Mitteilungen im HUBB auf Englisch sind, kann man wohl doch annehmen, dass die HU-Sprache Englisch ist. Oder?

Yep. I have volunteered to help deal with others' childish behaviour.

Tough, deal with it.

Have a nice day.

Chris (Not the only cunning linguist amongst us)

As, much as I hate to revive this thread, I can't ignore your insult.
Perhaps, as a Spanish speaker, your English is somewhat suspect and no insult was intended.
However, if it really was your intention to call us 'dickwits; I would very much like to meet with you and discuss this face to face.

Pete

Leave it!
 

Have you had a few scoops?

He is also a Scottish speaker. You can find him in Medellin, probably in Poblado, but I wouldn't let the cantanquerous old git wind you up.

By the way, the offer is still valid, probably in Santa Marta. To stand on the northernmost tip of South America was their dream afterall!

Buena Suerte.

This is a good place with good people. Try some more...

PS: You are doing a whole let better than I thought you would: Revolution Road

Hi Pete
Take Stretcher Monkey's advice and ignore Mr Al theturtleshead. You really don't want to cloud your judgement of the people of South America by coming into contact with his troll-like tendencies. Furthermore, there are many great people on the HUBB and there are always exceptions that prove the rule.

Enjoy your trip.
cheers
Chris
PS. I considered removing the offending post, but though it summed up Al just right.
PPS: There's a feature on the the HUBB software that allows you to put people on your "buddy" list. There's also an "ignore" list.

Real people and Hospitality
 

Great stuff Chris!
I get bikers asking questions daily,both here and other places.I do what I can for them.
Oh yes I,ll stand by any day of the week that hospitality should be offered and not asked for.
Al theturtleshead

My address is widely published here on this site! and I will stand by the statement!
Asking for hospitality rather than waiting for it to be offered makes you sound like a dickwit.Maybe it,s just old fashioned.
Maybe the fact that you can afford the time and money to drive two 1940,s Nortons around South America doesn,t make you sound like you need too much charity!!!
Al theturtleshead
So you won,t have to search to hard
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Wits
 

Hi Al, as a fellow Scot I would ask you to not refer to people in the terms you use unless you are face to face. It is against Scots rules of etiquette as much as elsewhere. Your suggesttion that you're not afraid etc is the sort of stupidity that makes me no longer be so quick to admit to my nationality. Thanks for nothing. Linzi.

Hi Al
Here's the line you edited from your message above: "Maybe I should write a book and charge 12 quid for it." Clearly you were confusing me with the young Mr C Scott. He writes the book, I just pose for the front cover. You can tell me and him apart. I'm the more handsome of the 2.

His site is Adventure Motorcycling ~ the website of the Adventure Motorcycling Handbook

Kind Regards
ChrisBrightSh*te

Linz take the proverbial chill pill! I hardly think Dickwit is fighting talk.After all if it was it would have been blanked by Mr Chris.
Here,s what will really happen! If the guys in question turn up.I,ll say hello Dickwits,they,ll say Hello Arsehole!!!
Then we,ll all go inside and have some beer!
Al theturtleshead