Store a bike in Brazil
 

Is there any option to store a bike in Brazil for about 3 jears? I have a place just need the paper stuff. I am in Argentina at the moment

Brazil
 

Hi Thomas,

paperwork should be easy in Brazil, as they dont have TIP anymore, but pls confirm this with somebody that knows more about this. And of course things can change within three years.

Contact the expert on Brazil - Rod from the Bikershelpdesk in Foz do Iguassu, he can tell you all about storing your bike (or maybe even selling it). You can contact him over the Foz community here on HU.

Suerte
mika

Hey Thomas,

Mika is giving you really good advice, use the Contact a Community feature of Horizons Unlimited.

Here is the link to the page:

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/connect/contact

Anytime you are in need of local advice, for any country represented, use the above. You might want to reach out to several of the contacts and run your message through Google Translate to add a version in Portuguese...

When you get confirmation on TVIP requirements for Brazil, please post what you learn here. There has been a running question in the HUBB South American forum on the status/requirement of importation paperwork for Brazil.

Brazil DOES issue TVIPs -- for normal vehicles anyway. They stopped doing it when the world cup was on because hundreds of vehicles were coming in from other countries. They came in, watched the football, toured around a bit and drove back home. 99.9% did anyway.

In February this year they started issuing them again at least at some main border posts although not immediately at all the small border crossings.

We crossed in May from Peru on the Interoceanic highway and that crossing was still not issuing TIPs so I have taken a bit of a chance and left our camper in Brasilia for about a year. Friends there, many in fairly high places, assure me there are no major sanctions involved, but nothing is guaranteed. Officially it is quite clear that even when they were not issuing paper TIPs, people were still obliged to follow the letter of the law and be out of Brazil with their vehicle within 90 days of entry. Bit like USA. No TIPs but if you overstay and get unlucky, you will be in big trouble.

TIP in Brazil
 

Good to know, thank you for telling us. But as I remember it was long before the stupid soccer cup that they stoped issuing TIPs to foreign travelers.

So, this means Brazil is not the option to leave your bike for as long as you want anymore without any problems leaving. But would be good to get this confirmed from HU member Rod in Foz.

mika:scooter:

Yes, they kept the no-TIP deal going for way after the world cup and everyone was thinking they would keep it in place for the Olympics so it was a surprise when they started issuing them again.

Many Brazilians go shopping from Foz do Iguazu in Brazil to Cuidad del Este in Paraguay and return home when they've bought whatever without visiting immigration or customs on either side of the bridge.

In late 2015 I did this border crossing. My bike never had a TIP when it entered Brazil, so on the way out I only went to Brazil immigration to stamp myself out. There may have been a customs office, but I didn't see it.

On the Paraguayan side I did immigration and had to seek out customs to get their TIP (up on the hill on the right above the main crossing point). The customs man on the main road initially wanted to just send me on my way without doing a TIP.

On iOveander i found this Information about the boarder in Foz:
30 Jul 2016
Immigration was straightforward. We did get a TIP when we asked if anything was needed for the car. TIP entry was for 3 months. TIP took about 30 minutes, because we needed to go to three desks and people were learning how to fill in the documents. Nothing was checked, ATM's did not work

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Maybe i dont get TIP if i dont ask :) but would be nice to get more exact information

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Tony Lee is posting the best advice.

In my experience, when leaving Brazil for Uruguay, I had to ask around for the National Police office where I surrendered my TVIP. They took the papers, but it was obvious they weren't used to taking the paper work. I suspect the papers floated around the office and were eventually thrown out. Maybe. I'll never know. Brazil is a funny place. High importation taxes on consumer products, then they seem to turn a blind eye towards motorcycles rolling over the borders. Go figure.

Do not try this in Peru. I know a guy who over stayed his TVIP by one day. ONE DAY! Aduana confiscated his bike, bye-bye bike. He hired a lawyer and hung around Puno for a couple weeks before packing it in. I love Peru and that is why I am in the process of buying a bike there. Peru will be my home away from home and storage for the next few years.

I think i woll gonna try it to pass without TIP and store the Bike in Sau Paulo. If i sell it its a lot oc organisation aswell and i would not get more than 1000 maybe 1500 USD $ If someone have more Informations, please leave a comment

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it´s right brazil has introduced tip this year again.

and i can tell you, that you can have a lot of trouble without a "tip". I think not at the boarders but at checkpoints.

I also think there are still a lot of cars and motorcycles without tip on the road and you really have to meet a high motivated officer.

but if you do...it´s brazil, even the police or receita federal doesn´t know the rules. But the first thing they will do if the control you is that the receita federal confiscate your bike. than they check the rules...

you can get it back, but you should have good arguments^^

So if you like your bike, don´t try it, if you don´t care and want to risk it, good luck.

I like my bike. But thats why i risk. I dont want to sell it to another traveller. I know a lot of police checkpoints. Cant be worse than Uzbekistan ☺

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In the 3000 or so km in the triangle SP, Rio de Janeiro, Curitiba, Foz do Iguazu in October/November 2015 I encountered no checkpoints what so ever. Possible I wasn't looking hard enough.

same here...no controls in the same área.
I had my bike stored in Foz and picked it up after 2 years. Sincé then I have crossed into Argentina twice and now to Chile. No problems!
BTW I am also evaluating the same thing, to store it again in Brazil...

We struck controls in that area and we did have to stop a couple of times. One wanted to see our tourist slips (and was going to send us back to the border when I misunderstood what he wanted to see) and the other just wanted to have a chat and practice his English. Neither was interested in the vehicle. The policeman at the border we entered from Peru told me that they weren't issuing TVIPs and as long as we had title and registration documents that would be all the police and Aduana would be interested in. Time will tell whether he was right.

I entered yesterday from Uruguay and they do issu TIP! I just dont get one cause i told the guy that i am travel via hitchhike

Please tell me what you exactly mean? Did someone else ride your bike, yoz being on the back?

No i was riding and i had someone else on my back. We just hide the bike and didnt told anybody about it.

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Ok, so the one on the back was just a sideeffect?You left Uruguay officialy and basically walked into Brazil?Your bike is legally nowhere,right?

Thats right

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So if you get stopped at a checkpoint without any vehicle import documents, you're going to react how exactly?

I'm assuming TK isn't your real name and that Brazilian customs officials don't read English, nor are they able to Google public Internet forums.

Let us know how you get on.

I will let you know if i get any problems. But like a lot of other travellers wrote here in this Thread and in a nother on OverlandSphere
That they dont get any TIP crossing nother boarder of brazil. So i dont think that i will get any problems. Moastly the Police dont know wich paper you should have.
How i react at a checkpoint?
I play the stupid one and show them every papers that i have.
Licence passport and the immigration paper(no TIP)

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Your only problem is that it seems Brazil is reintroducing TIPs. So when the official checks your passport and sees where you entered Brazil (on your passport entry stamp, the exit stamp from Uruguay...) and deduces by checking their IT system that the bike "didn't" enter with you and that border post does issue TIPs...

Then maybe they Google your name and this thread appears.... And they read English...

It's a high risk strategy to assume that uniformed Latin Americans are stupid.

Best of luck

I just checked the stamps and you dont see where you entered Brazil. Even not on the immigration paper

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They say that "Ignorance is bliss"

There are many ways to exit BR where there are no border controls.

I've been to many borders in BR where I had to hound them to give me a TVIP. Leaving without a TVIP shouldn't be a problem at pretty much any border in BR.

That sounds good

@thomas
the policia federal sees it in the pc where you did enter brazil.

@all
i entered brazil some days ago with a chilean registrated car from peru, inapari - assis brazil.

it was not possible for me to get a tip at the border. i asked two times but there was no way.

Update: made it through Bolivia and into Brazil. No one asked for TIP. Had an accident in Brazil due to a flat front tire, police was sent to help. They asked for papers and took pics...Noone was interested in any TIP!!

Does that mean you were issued with a TIP by Brazil Customs.

Chris, the question is not about brasileros or paraguayos, its about foreign NON MERCOSUR /Mercosul registered vehicles.

so much depends on the country of registration of the vehicle.
So far there was only one post that included where the vehicle is registered and that is exactly what I am interested in.
I know, vehicles registred in any Mercosur(l) country dont get a TIP, but what about the others?
So there is no point in talking about Iguaçu and the locals crossing the border 5 times a day, of course not, they can stay as long as they wish on the other side, therefore, no TIP.

Groschi

I was riding a foreign NON MERCOSUR /Mercosul registered vehicle. I had a non Brazilian/ non Paraguayan passport. At the time anyone would have been able to leave Brasil without doing any vehicle exit paperwork.

I could bother rereading the rest of this thread (it was from a long time ago), but being on my cell phone it's too much of a pita.

¡Suerte!

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Groschi

99.9% of the vehicles crossing at Iguaçu are Mercosur/l, so they dont bother checking the cars there since its the normal daily shopping run of the locals.
I also had to go into the office on the braz side coming from Argentina to get my stamp.

Im planning to leave my bike for 3,5-4 months in either Brasil or Uruguay and fly back to Europe for a while. And its much cheaper and more conveniant to fly from Sao Paulo than from Montevideo or Buenos Aires - but will I be able to store my bike legally in Brasil for 3,5-4 months - or should I go for Uruguay?

Legally, No, but your experiences may vary. I left a big camper there for 12 months and just drove straight out a couple of months ago without showing any paperwork (which was just as well because I didn't have any vehicle paperwork, but maybe I was lucky. They do issue TVIPs (and I think you have to do your own on-line before you get to the border) so it is going to depend on what procedures are in place at a particular border.

Uruguay is normally 12 months so is a safer bet.

In Brazil you normally get three months and we didn't have any problems at the airport when we left the camper behind

You can store your bike in Brazil up to 180 days, but after 90 days you need to renew the Temporary Admission, if you stay longer your bike can be confiscated if you are stopped by the police or try to cross the border to another country.

Brazilian Customs' website about this possibility

Of course, this is what the law says buy your experience can be different depending on the mood of the official you talk to.

Thanks for the information, much appricated! Do you have any idea of how an "automatical extension" can be done? Obviously I will not be in Brasil myself for those 3,5-4 months so I cannot do this physically. But maybe its possible online?

I'm not 100% sure about that but as far as I know for the permit is automatically extended once if you filled the e-DBV, you don't need to do any special procedure. I will try do call a friend of mine who used to work at the brazilian customs next week, when he returns from his vacation, and ask him.

Well according to my friend the e-DBV can be renewed online through the same system used to create the e-DBV.

So you need to fill the information before arriving to Brazil, then give the e-DBV and passport numbers to the person at the customs office at the border so person in charge can check the info. With you bike in Brazil you can renew it one time but he recommended to go online and check the info is up to date on the website a few days before the ending data. Before leaving to country you need to go the the website again to inform you pretend to leave the country and at the border again give the numbers of the e-DBV and the passport for the person in charge to check the information again.

He wadn't worked at the border for a few years now but according to him the procedure is basically the same as it was a few years ago except now you need to fill the e-DBV online instead of filling it on a paper at the customs when you arrive.

Thanks a lot for the information - much appriciated. However - it sounded a bit complicated. What if Im suddenly not allowed to renew the TIP while in Europe and have no possibility to fly back in a hurry. I think I will have to store my bike in Uruguay and just pay the extra for airtickets and for piece of mind regarding my bike.
But thanks anyway for your time and effort :thumbup1:

I would probably do the same if it was my bike :biggrin: :biggrin: