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Very good to know and quite a relief, thanks a lot for the fresh info.
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I do know this law applies for argentinians who enter with a foreign plated vehicle though. Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-A405FN met Tapatalk |
Some experiences from contact with Toby
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These are my experinces. And thay are true for me. Paperwork He promises this = The most popular service we offer is to purchase new motorcycles for you here in Peru, prep them for your trip (including racks), and have all the paperwork, license plate and insurance papers done for you by the time you arrive. When you arrive it only takes a signature to change it over to your name (a requirement to cross borders) instead of the normal 4 to 5 weeks! Then you can be on your way! = I asked him if there was no rule that non residents can't leave the country. Same as for Argentina and Chile. His answer was that there is no such issue with Peru. "Peruvian bikes can go anywhere" He "forgot" to mention that is valid only if the rider is a citizen of Peru. It sounded too good to be true. So I asked again. Can I really drive out of Peru. Answer: We will tell you how to pass border. (again using words that in a way is true but misleading. I was asking about me riding the bike. And his answers talks about passing the border (knowing that it has to be done by someone else) OK. Sounds OK. Only a matter of information. New question: Where I referred to the law from 2019 that says that only residents can leave with a bike. I also quoted Chazwosser's instruction. And asked him if this is what he meant with "telling you how to..." The answer was more or less yes. And saying that he would show me how a poder looks like. And some nonsense about other border crossings in SA. Conclusion Then you can be on your way! Translates to that I have to do exactly what Chazwosser's instruction says. And the only help from Toby would be an example of a poder. But to find a friend to ride the bike out of Peru on a Poder would be up to me. I am glad that I found that out now, and not in Peru. That was thanks to my own research. and not due to information from Toby. => false/fake marketing => I had to dig up the information and present for Toby, to get to the true story. Instead of him helping me. He new a lot of things that he hide behind nice marketing. Buy back program, Fixed price This is a false name of the program. he never buys anything back. What he offers is to try to sell my bike. That is clearly stated in the information. There is no guarantee the bike ever will be sold, to the price that he requires. Also here Chazwosser is correct. Conclusion "Best effort to sell your bike" would be honest. "Buy back to a fixed price"" is fake. Next I turned away from this company. He might be a friendly sells-man with a lot of good wordings. And good information about Peru, A good guide. But miss leading and incomplete information turns me away from buying a bike there. You do as you want. But no you have been warned. Good luck. = Off Topic: I have contact with a similar business in Argentina. He is very honest and says that I can't leave Argentina with the bike. But Argentina is huge. And he can store the bike until I return next time. Since it is an Argentinian bike. it has no TIP that will expire. Maybe I will take a couple of month in Argentina. And than sell the bike. Or come back again next year ?? = |
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YES, the March 2107 law (not 2019) says that only a 'Peruvian Resident' can take a vehicle out of Peru, but the reality is that they only enforce that at the coastal crossings and we show you how to get the PODER for someone to represent you at the border for those crossings and every time it has worked. It is only the EXIT from Peru where this MIGHT be a detail, no other country entries or exits, not even returning to Peru. At the crossings to Brazil and the 2 interior crossings to Ecuador we have NEVER had them ask for that because we give the rider a Peru Motor Vehicle Registry document that gives the foriegn rider a Peruvian address and that is enough for those border crossings. At the 2 crossings exiting Peru into Bolivia they have asked for the representation 1 time in 20. The experience of one person (combined with the negative writup of one person into this forum intending to damage our reputation because South America did not live up to his cultural expectations is not the total truth of the matter of over 200 riders that we have sent out! Do we say "Peruvian motorcycles with foriegn riders can travel all over South America." Yes, because it is true. And when they arrive we have a free 4-hour orientation with them and explain a border crossing issue they MIGHT encounter, and how to process it if that happens. We also teach them how to deal with police along the way, how to stay safe on the road, what to look for in hostels, how to deal with flats, how to deal with the situation should they be involved in an accident, etc.... If you believe that not going into EVERY possible situation and danger that they MIGHT encounter when there is a simple inquiry email is 'untruthful', well I guess that is YOUR opinion. I think that over 200 happy riders in the last 6 years tells a different story. |
I’ll just add that I bought and sold a bike through Toby’s shop. He’s above board. The sale took a longer but it will happen. I have a friend who had the same experience. If you don’t want to wait for Toby to find a buyer for your bike, sell it yourself. All he is offering is to handle this if you don’t want to.
As to the border issue, it is what it is. Toby has been in Peru for years and has the experience to tell you how to deal with it. At the end of the day, a traveller could arrange the bike and deal with the border issue themselves. But it requires research time and time to arrange paperwork, etc. Toby’s service is to make all this easier if you don’t want to deal with all the hassle. But he can’t make the bike purchase/sale and border issues as easy as your home country. He can just help you work with the system in Peru. I arrived in Peru and had my bike in a day or so. Toby has mechanics so can modify or deal with any issue before you leave on your journey. As he mentioned he’s helped lots of riders (and rides himself) so he know where to go and provided good advice on some routes I’ll add that travelling in South America (or any place far from home) will always be more adventurous than local riding. That’s kind of the point. But finding locals who know how things work and can help will make any trip easier. Toby did that for me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
help in all ways is good ! but I think any foreigner that wants to purchase any moto in South America has there work cut out for them and its never going to be the way you think it should be.
Colombia has its exceptions Runt>Purchase>Soat if you are buying second hand from a local make sure the yearly taxes have been paid It is like a lean on the registration, and transito will impound the bike if taxes haven't been paid for 5 years. the plate number it can be looked up from the government website Transito and where ever the moto is[ plated this is the number that stays with the bike] the municipality>department is where the taxes have to be paid Normally the dealers with good reputation have clean titles but beware This is Colombia and small shops may not The 2 Ktm dealers in Bogota will sell you a moto and purchase it back but I only think its limited to a 390 and lower this is a low hassle way to get on with riding But you will take a hit when selling it back |
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