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Warning about buying a bike in Peru
Heads up everyone, if you were planning on buying a Peruvian bike in Peru then read this as you may want to change your plans:
I bought a bike off Toby Shannon (/around the block moto adventures) a couple of months back with the intention of going all around South America. When picking up the bike Toby told me and my girlfriend, and various other people, that the only way you could leave Peru was through the Desaguadero (Bolivia) border. This was news to us, as we had been planning to go straight to Chile. After solving one issue at the Desaguadero border we tried again on 28/12/18, however now Desaguadero won't let foreigners ride a Peruvian bike out of Peru. There is in theory still one way around it, involving signing power of attorney to a Peruvian, having them leave the country, then revoking the PoA. This is what we're going to try next. We don't know much about the details on how this will work, but I do know the nearest open Notaría is 160km away, so can be pretty sure it will be a pain in the arse and probably not so cheap. I'm with an American on a Peruvian bike in the same situation, and we've heard about a another pair of Indian's who have also been turned away. If anyone is, or knows someone who is, having the same issue or has successfully dealt with this issue then please get in touch! |
So what was the outcome of your border crossing? Others of us wish to know.
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Yes, there were some issues at the border(s) of Peru with Chile and Bolivia. The issue was GETTING OUT of Peru with a Peruvian plated moto. Some opted for the PODER in a Peru Residents name and that worked great. Some went back at a different time and there was no issue.
No other issues crossing OUT or INTO any other country with the Peruvian plated moto. As far as I know, everyone (including the author of this email) have eventually made their way out of Peru! |
Wow, so they made it out with a PODER? Someone told me they were cracking down on using PODERS?.....
You say the issue was getting out of Peru, like it's a non issue. Seems a pretty big issue to me! Perhaps in the interest of acurrate information on this site it would be good to find out what the law is and whether it's going to be affecting future riders as it does in Chile. |
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Gerald, from Germany, just crossed yesterday with a Peruvian registered moto WITHOUT doing the PODER. He just went to a different Bolivia crossing and they never gave him a problem. |
But the motorcycles left the country with a different person than the registered owner. On a PODER. So, not in the riders name. You'll have to just admit to the fact that people ride around all of South America with bikes on poders regularly and without issues.
Anyway, we're straying from the topic at hand. Let's try and make this useful to other people who search it. The Bolivian border crossing success really doesn't mean anything. At the Yunguyo crossing they offered me a 12 month TVIP for 100 soles, and offered to buy the bike cash. So what is the rule that they've suddenly gotten upset about with foreigners taking Peruvian bikes out? |
The new law (June 2017) says that a "resident" (or "resident" with a poder) must exit the moto from Peru. As the foreigners had a Peruvian Vehicular Registry document with the moto in their name, with passport number and Peru address on it (when the bought the moto) that has been sufficient for the law up until recently (and still is at many border crossings, like Gerald who just crossed yesterday).
The issue has been that a few agents want to do the 'letter of the law' so as to not get in trouble with superiors and ask that a 'resident' be given a temp poder for the Peru exit. As soon as they exit, they tear up the poder and the foreigners travels on the moto documents which are in their name with no issues at any other border, even returning to Peru just themselves with the moto. |
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Sorry for not replying sooner, been bombing it South to Patagonia and this slipped my mind.
We (me and one other) did get out in the end and have written this guide. These were the only problems we encountered inherent to buying a bike in Peru, but past infractions do stay with 2nd hand bikes. Hope previous owners didnt skip on border processing like stamps, because there can be a fines and delays (as we found out the hard way). After having some issues leaving Peru I've put together a guide on how to get out. Ive since crossed from Bolivia to Chile without any problems, but have yet to re-enter Peru. Hopefully that goes ok... Step 1: find friendly peruvian (1 per vehicle) Step 2: write a "carta poder" - this is a document to say your Peruvian friend has power of attorney over the vehicle, although it remains your property. The document we used is attached. Step 3: Go to notary and get this document stamped. You will need one witness per power of attorney document. Your friend will be asked what relation the witness is to them, so they shouldn't just be a random off the street. Step 4: Go to the border with your friend. Go into the aduana with them and all of your documents (Carta Poder, boleta informativa, sale document, passport). Your friend will (administratively) leave Peru with the vehicle. The border guard should know what to do, but it might be worth printing the excerpt from the law attached in the next reply. Step 5: (This step will depend on your border. We went to the Copacabana border with Bolivia as the Peruvian/Bolivian aduana offices are seperate, and we could ride the bikes over ourselves.) We then entered Bolivia with the bikes in our name. If you were to use the Desaguadero border it may complicate thing; because the aduana office is shared you may need to enter Bolivia with the bikes in your friends name. This may cause you problems when leaving, but I don't know. I have no idea how the other borders work. If you are in Puno I would recommend Casa Samay Wasi - they have a garage to do any maintenance you might want to do, and for s/400 per bike Todo and his son Alex helped us figure out how to do all this and came to Yunguyo for us. Key to Carta Poder: 1. Your name 2. Your passport number 3. Your nationality 4. Friends name 5. Friends DNI (ID) number 6. Friends address 7. Moto licence plate 8. Moto manufacturer 9. Moto model 10. Moto year of manufacture 11. Moto color 12. Country to enter 13. Your name, passport number (you will sign and fingerprint here at the notary) 14. Friends name, DNI number (they will sign and fingerprint at the notary) Good luck! PS if someone is able to type up the carta poder then it is less likely to be lost to time |
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For reference, the relevant part of the law (DECRETO SUPREMO, Nº 076-2017-EF) is below:
TÍTULO III SALIDA TEMPORAL DE VEHÍCULOS Articulo 10.- Documentación 10.1 Para la salida temporal del país de los vehículos con placa de rodaje peruana, el benefi ciario debe presentar lo siguiente: 1. Documento nacional de identidad, pasaporte u otro documento ofi cial que acredite su residencia en el país. 2. Tarjeta de Identifi cación Vehicular del vehículo. 3. Contrato de alquiler o carta poder simple con carácter de declaración jurada que autorice el uso y la salida temporal en caso el benefi ciario no sea el propietario. 10.2 La Administración Aduanera autoriza la salida temporal expidiendo el certifi cado suscrito por el benefi ciario con carácter de Declaración Jurada. Artículo 11.- Permanencia temporal en el exterior 11.1 La Administración Aduanera autoriza la salida temporal del país del vehículo hasta por un plazo de doce (12) meses, contados desde la fecha de autorización. 11.2 El plazo puede ser prorrogado en los casos y en la forma que establezca la Administración Aduanera. 11.3 Se considera automáticamente exportado en forma defi nitiva el vehículo que no haya retornado al país dentro del plazo autorizado, sin que ello otorgue el derecho a gozar de benefi cios tributarios o aduaneros. Artículo 12.- Conclusión del régimen en la salida temporal El régimen en la salida temporal concluye con: 1. El retorno al país del vehículo dentro del plazo autorizado. 2. La exportación defi nitiva del vehículo. |
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I own a moto stored in Huánuco right now and will eventually ride my Peru licensed moto south solo, with no friend. I have a goal to eventually reach "fin del mundo" at Ushuaia. From your narration, it looks like I need someone with me, maybe a Peruvian national. Can they be a foreigner or do they have to be a Peruvian? That friend has to have the poder in their name, and also be present at the border, right? If the friend needs to be a Peruvian national, maybe I can pay someone at my border crossing to be my friend and have a poder in their name. I'm a little confused about this the details of steps 4 & 5. If you have time, maybe you can clarify some more. Toby may also have some information on the details of this issue, since it's important to his moto business. From either of you, I'd appreciate more information. As a back up, I'm wondering if one can ride in to Brazil, crossing northeast of Cuzco on Peru 30, then continue in to Bolovia and avoid all these issues. It's a longer route, but I've been up Ruta 30 to short of Marcapata, and I saw quite a few motos on that road. Why should anything be totally easy? This is adventure travel, right? Edit: Quote:
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Your friend needs to be a Peruvian citizen (or maybe just resident), and have an ID card. And they do need to come with you to the border, unless Jupiter's 3rd moon is aligned with Uranus, then you might be able to leave without them present.
Yeah ideally the border town has a notary, a friendly hostel owner, and seperate border offices. Yunguyo/Copacabana has hostels, though I'm not sure if there's a notary there (we were told there wasn't, but i think that may have just been closed for summer holidays). Re taking route 30 (I presume you mean via Puerto Maldonado), I've not been but am likely to come back that way - from what I've read you would have to go Peru>Brazil>Bolivia (there's no crossing from Peru to Bolivia). You might get lucky and the border guard can't be ****ed to enforce the law, but if you take that route I think it would be wise to try and find out where the nearest notary is in case you need to try PoA thing. (Just to clarify, once you've typed up the poder you must go to a notary to get it stamped, so ,if the nearest one is Puerto Maldonado, it could slow you down and dent your wallet a fair bit) |
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Sushant (from Illinois) when encountering this situation at the border realized that he had cut his time too short to do PER-Bolivia-Chile-Peru (he only gave himself 3 weeks from central Peru and back again), and decided to just stay in Peru for his ride. I have been the Brazil route to Bolivia and you DO NOT want to do that December to April because of the rainy season in the Bolivia Beni Watershed! LOTS of red clay for 100s of kms on end! Chaz, THX for putting this together! This is helpful, and your first hand experience helps others! That's what makes this forum a community! If one goes to the notary with the friend (yes, it can be a foreigner too if they have a Resident Visa in Peru) and the Notary writes the PODER up for you, THEY will recall all the info that needs to be on it. They will charge a bit more (I paid 120 soles, $36 USD most recently for a similar PODER), but I think it is worth it. All, Since this came up we have been working with the MINISTERIO DE TURISMO and SUNAT (that customs is under) hoping for a document to bypass any need for this PODER stuff, but things move slow in South America.... I will write again here when we have something concrete. |
Just like to say thanks for the information ChazWozzer much appreciated i was getting worried about this border crossing
Crossed the border at Desaguadero border and everything was ok first of all got stamped out of Peru and into Bolivia then went round the corner to the aduana and got stamped out of Peru she gave me a 12 month pass for leaving the country and 30 days in Bolivia this was on a Sunday morning , Thank you Howard |
Hey guys,
First of all, this is my first post here but I've been spending hours reading this forum and it has been extremely useful, so thanks for that. I'm in Lima for a month and currently in search of a bike. I was planning to ride out of Peru at the end of November and cross straight to Chile, but it seems complicated. Has anyone done it recently with a peruvian bike ? Howardxre, if I understand correctly you didn't require a poder in order to cross at Desaguadero ? Thanks, David |
I've just done it, Peru to Chile with a Peruvian bike. 2 weeks ago.
At the Peruvian aduana I said I'll be back in 9 months, they asked how long of a visa I had for Perú, I said six months. They gave me a 6 months exit permit. Anyway, the last guy who owned my bike overstayed the permit and payed a $30 fine, no biggy. Entering Argentina was a b**tch. They still quote an outdated law that anyone entering must be a resident of the same place that the bike is from. Finally after 3 hours a nice (read intelligent) customs guy found the new law and let me in. I have a copy of the correct law (with an exception for people who aren't from Mercosur countries) to get into Argentina. If you need it I'll message it to you. |
Very good to know and quite a relief, thanks a lot for the fresh info.
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I do know this law applies for argentinians who enter with a foreign plated vehicle though. Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-A405FN met Tapatalk |
Some experiences from contact with Toby
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These are my experinces. And thay are true for me. Paperwork He promises this = The most popular service we offer is to purchase new motorcycles for you here in Peru, prep them for your trip (including racks), and have all the paperwork, license plate and insurance papers done for you by the time you arrive. When you arrive it only takes a signature to change it over to your name (a requirement to cross borders) instead of the normal 4 to 5 weeks! Then you can be on your way! = I asked him if there was no rule that non residents can't leave the country. Same as for Argentina and Chile. His answer was that there is no such issue with Peru. "Peruvian bikes can go anywhere" He "forgot" to mention that is valid only if the rider is a citizen of Peru. It sounded too good to be true. So I asked again. Can I really drive out of Peru. Answer: We will tell you how to pass border. (again using words that in a way is true but misleading. I was asking about me riding the bike. And his answers talks about passing the border (knowing that it has to be done by someone else) OK. Sounds OK. Only a matter of information. New question: Where I referred to the law from 2019 that says that only residents can leave with a bike. I also quoted Chazwosser's instruction. And asked him if this is what he meant with "telling you how to..." The answer was more or less yes. And saying that he would show me how a poder looks like. And some nonsense about other border crossings in SA. Conclusion Then you can be on your way! Translates to that I have to do exactly what Chazwosser's instruction says. And the only help from Toby would be an example of a poder. But to find a friend to ride the bike out of Peru on a Poder would be up to me. I am glad that I found that out now, and not in Peru. That was thanks to my own research. and not due to information from Toby. => false/fake marketing => I had to dig up the information and present for Toby, to get to the true story. Instead of him helping me. He new a lot of things that he hide behind nice marketing. Buy back program, Fixed price This is a false name of the program. he never buys anything back. What he offers is to try to sell my bike. That is clearly stated in the information. There is no guarantee the bike ever will be sold, to the price that he requires. Also here Chazwosser is correct. Conclusion "Best effort to sell your bike" would be honest. "Buy back to a fixed price"" is fake. Next I turned away from this company. He might be a friendly sells-man with a lot of good wordings. And good information about Peru, A good guide. But miss leading and incomplete information turns me away from buying a bike there. You do as you want. But no you have been warned. Good luck. = Off Topic: I have contact with a similar business in Argentina. He is very honest and says that I can't leave Argentina with the bike. But Argentina is huge. And he can store the bike until I return next time. Since it is an Argentinian bike. it has no TIP that will expire. Maybe I will take a couple of month in Argentina. And than sell the bike. Or come back again next year ?? = |
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YES, the March 2107 law (not 2019) says that only a 'Peruvian Resident' can take a vehicle out of Peru, but the reality is that they only enforce that at the coastal crossings and we show you how to get the PODER for someone to represent you at the border for those crossings and every time it has worked. It is only the EXIT from Peru where this MIGHT be a detail, no other country entries or exits, not even returning to Peru. At the crossings to Brazil and the 2 interior crossings to Ecuador we have NEVER had them ask for that because we give the rider a Peru Motor Vehicle Registry document that gives the foriegn rider a Peruvian address and that is enough for those border crossings. At the 2 crossings exiting Peru into Bolivia they have asked for the representation 1 time in 20. The experience of one person (combined with the negative writup of one person into this forum intending to damage our reputation because South America did not live up to his cultural expectations is not the total truth of the matter of over 200 riders that we have sent out! Do we say "Peruvian motorcycles with foriegn riders can travel all over South America." Yes, because it is true. And when they arrive we have a free 4-hour orientation with them and explain a border crossing issue they MIGHT encounter, and how to process it if that happens. We also teach them how to deal with police along the way, how to stay safe on the road, what to look for in hostels, how to deal with flats, how to deal with the situation should they be involved in an accident, etc.... If you believe that not going into EVERY possible situation and danger that they MIGHT encounter when there is a simple inquiry email is 'untruthful', well I guess that is YOUR opinion. I think that over 200 happy riders in the last 6 years tells a different story. |
I’ll just add that I bought and sold a bike through Toby’s shop. He’s above board. The sale took a longer but it will happen. I have a friend who had the same experience. If you don’t want to wait for Toby to find a buyer for your bike, sell it yourself. All he is offering is to handle this if you don’t want to.
As to the border issue, it is what it is. Toby has been in Peru for years and has the experience to tell you how to deal with it. At the end of the day, a traveller could arrange the bike and deal with the border issue themselves. But it requires research time and time to arrange paperwork, etc. Toby’s service is to make all this easier if you don’t want to deal with all the hassle. But he can’t make the bike purchase/sale and border issues as easy as your home country. He can just help you work with the system in Peru. I arrived in Peru and had my bike in a day or so. Toby has mechanics so can modify or deal with any issue before you leave on your journey. As he mentioned he’s helped lots of riders (and rides himself) so he know where to go and provided good advice on some routes I’ll add that travelling in South America (or any place far from home) will always be more adventurous than local riding. That’s kind of the point. But finding locals who know how things work and can help will make any trip easier. Toby did that for me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
help in all ways is good ! but I think any foreigner that wants to purchase any moto in South America has there work cut out for them and its never going to be the way you think it should be.
Colombia has its exceptions Runt>Purchase>Soat if you are buying second hand from a local make sure the yearly taxes have been paid It is like a lean on the registration, and transito will impound the bike if taxes haven't been paid for 5 years. the plate number it can be looked up from the government website Transito and where ever the moto is[ plated this is the number that stays with the bike] the municipality>department is where the taxes have to be paid Normally the dealers with good reputation have clean titles but beware This is Colombia and small shops may not The 2 Ktm dealers in Bogota will sell you a moto and purchase it back but I only think its limited to a 390 and lower this is a low hassle way to get on with riding But you will take a hit when selling it back |
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