How can I buy a DR650 in UK?
 

I know the emissions regs stopped Suzuki importing them to europe but I've read everything to death and decided I want one.
Maybe buy one in the U.S.A. and ship it back after a trip if thats a path that's been trodden before?


Pleeeeeease stay on topic and NOT suggest bikes that I've more than likely read about and dismissed.
I want the DR650 period! No not the DRZ 400 blah blah blah blah.....

Ah Ha, you've finally seen the light!

Try this guy Alan, he's recently started importing DR650's from USA:


GooGle is your friend!

I would only buy in USA if you plan a trip starting in the Americas. Bringing the bike back to UK would be pricey
and tricky. Could be done if you toss loads of money at it ... the guy above has bumped price up a bit ... but at least
it's already IN the UK and road legal ready.
Good luck! Let us know what you find out!

The guys from Bridge Moto seem to be really good. They put my
Procycle order in their container. Which is nice

Having said that the bike is not here yet and their primary business is importing collectable bikes from America and Japan.

I'll let you know in a couple of weeks (I hope!)

You reminded me of Bridgemoto immediately.
Bridge Moto
They brought in a container load of USA sourced bikes a while ago; all brand new - DR650s and KLR650s (sorry, off topic!!) from memory.
Last time I looked at their website they all seemed to be sold; the dealer is reputed to be very helpful so give them a ring.
The asking price was around £5200 IIRC.
They also import second-owner machines from overseas and they are not the only ones to do this.

I talked with a vehicle dealer a short time ago who said that most vehicles for sale in the UK are advertised on either ebay, gumtree or autotrader; he concluded that between those 3 the market is more or less covered as far as UK advertising is concerned.
For sure, if you want to visit the north Americas, purchase in the USA, ride there and then import to the UK it should be economic overall; you wouldn't be the first to do this.
Alternatively, look toward the European market, say France or Germany; denizens of those countries have always tended to like the dual sport type of bike compared with the UK infatuation with race track replicas, so there tends to be more of them around for sale second hand although a new DR650 is not for sale, formally, anywhere in the EU because of the pollution regulations.
(It can still be done under single vehicle approval regulations for the UK, at a price of course - see Trip Paperwork for that discussion).

bought one
 

Thanks guys. Got a new DR650 on it's way to me. Perfect!
What a great resource this site is

alan

Day one
 

Okay so the bike is ordered from Bridge Moto. £5,500 (paid £500 deposit)

Bridge Moto
Tel: +44 (0)118 950 500

When the bike arrives I will post on here so anyone else living on damp-rock and trying to find a DR can see how I get on.
Mean time doing a bit of research and (thanks Martin, nice speaking to you!) It seems one of the must dos is swap the silencer for a rare titanium stocker from a GSXR 1000 2001/2. So, open new tab/ebay/GXSR1000 stock pipe and bingo!
£45 and that's now on its way.
Next area for modification is bigger tank and lots say better seat which throws up a question.
Is there a gentleman's agreement on the seat tank interface ie. do all tanks meet up with all seats and vice versa or if you decide to go with a particular tank does that then necessitate going with a particular seat?
I'm thinking of the Acerbic 6.6 gallon and either a corbin seat or a reform on my existing but I'll wait 'til after I get the tank because there is more option and flexibility in seating than there is in tanks. Cart/horse thing.
I am hoping to keep my M/M slim boxes and buy a couple of M/M standard mounting hoops the get a fabricator to make me a frame as M/M don't do one. Have thought long and hard (or soft and hard) about the luggage issue but I think I'm happier with lockable boxes you get two free seats or one and a small table plus the things are just a darned site easier to pack and unpack in my opinion.
If anyone knows of a pre-fab rack that takes M/M boxes please shout up.
The guy at Bridge said he was bringing another container over soon so if I want to order some bits state side he would bring them in for a small fee. Problem is he was on the way out the door on holiday as I bought the bike so hope that deal still available when he gets back?
Is there a place on here for a thread/blog on this site or should I set one up somewhere. I'm not too familiar with these things as I only use the net for researching and buying so any obvious advice please tell me 'cause I don't know!
I want to put together a blog that I was looking for. I'm sure there are lots out there but I never found them. Someone trying to build a simple bike with only essential mods that has not done any off road travelling before but is comfortable going abroad on big bike trips already. Basically a seasoned biker traveller looking to venture into the dirt side

Hi Alan,

Tha DR650 is a good work horse for sure.
If you need a little more info, please feel free to look at my bike build blog at MotoExped - Home I dare say Gipper will also point you to some good reading too (when he wakes up lol).
Please feel free to contact me through motoexped if you need any advice.

Kindest regards

Nevil

cheers Nevil :thumbup1:

couldn't resist a quick look. Interesting you say at the end you would possibly take a KTM 690 next time. I don't want to open that can up again now I've bought my bike but I almost went for one for less than I've paid for the DR but read too many stories about reliability and the DR seemed to serve you well as a reliable packhorse.
Just shows however much reading and prepping you do there's no such thing as the perfect bike. Looking forward to a proper read asap.

alan

Sure, there is a whole blogging section in the HUBB.

What you do remind me of is that years ago some folks started to write articles about prepping bikes for travelling.
One of those bikes is a DR650 and, would you believe it, that article still exists:-
Bike preparation for long distance dirt road touring | Horizons Unlimited
It's not in the HUBB itself but can be found in the rest of this website.
How good is that!!

That is a good score! But now you've got to buy the mid pipe! I've a 040 pipe sitting here I've never mounted ... been waiting years for a good deal on a mid pipe ... about $225 usd. The Ti pipe is a beauty and saves about 1.5 to 2.0 kgs., sounds NICE, no repacking, will never wear out or rust.
If you buy a new Corbin, they will get you the proper seat to fit your tank, so yes, tank first .. and the big Acerbis looks better than my old IMS. If you buy used, just check with seller on fitment.

Most seats you find will fit your Acerbis 6.6. But check to make sure before buying. Lots of seat options. I like my Corbin but many brands out there.

Hard vs. soft bags argument goes back and forth here ... TONS written on this. Up to you. I've used both and now prefer soft panniers as I lost about 35 lbs. going from hard bags to soft panniers. So for me it's about weight. My Nelson-Rigg bags pack up easy ... I use inner bags. No idea on racks in UK, but many options on internet, Pro Cycle and more. Since I use throw over bags my racks are very light weight, don't have to support full weight of bags ... the seat takes most of load. Racks were less than $100.

Once you discover ProCycle you'll be spending a lot. Even with shipping it's cheaper to buy there than UK or EU. (mostly) True one stop shopping.

You can start a blog here on HUBB or just start a thread in the Suzuki section here. I have a very old one there ... I've learned TONS more about the bike since then.

There was some question about delays with the Bridge motos guys ... when do you expect to get your bike? Ship containers can have long, unexplained delays. Good luck, hope it shows up soon!

Hi again Alan,

I think my comment about the 690 was suspension related when I wrote that lol.
I got the DR650 set up very well with the front and rear suspension but it still wasn't as fancy as the stock KTM. Perhaps if i had fitted a Corbin seat instead of the Saddlemen "DIY" seat, I would have been happier over those 36,000 kms.
Youre right, the DR is a darned good work horse and will put up with a lot of punishment to boot!
I wish you every success and happiness with your new purchase!
(I still ride mine all the time when the snow isn't around).

Oh, and Mollydog's right.
a). You'll need a mid pipe for your new can. I got mine from Keintech.
b). Procycle are about to become your new best friend!

Kindest regards
Nevil

Quick answer on the shipping
 

Just in case Martin is reading and for some reason isn't aware. The guy from Bridge said the end of May. I'm in no rush but I know Martin (who is buying the other bike in the shipment) has a trip planned

So do I get the Keintech mid pipe (connecting pipe?) from ProCycle?
It's great with the internet that it's virtually just as easy to purchase kit from a specialist supplier wherever you are in the world. I never take all this tech for granted :-)))

Yes,

M.

About ProCycle
 

ProCycle have everything! :D But not always the cheapest or best. Sometimes they substitute some not great aftermarket part for a Suzuki genuine part ... and sometimes the OEM part is cheaper! (this is rare)
ProCycle are NOT an authorized Suzuki dealer.

So profit motive is there, but overall, very good outfit with stellar shipping service worldwide. The Oz guys claim it's cheaper to buy from ProCycle and pay shipping than it is to buy locally in Oz ... shows just how bad they're being boned by dealers there. :nono:

But the very best thing about ProCyle is that Jeff, the owner, is a DR650 owner, builder and big fan. He's done a ton of serious R & D on the bike. He's developed big bore kits, luggage, electrical, seats, racks and lots more ... most tested by Jeff himself. He reads ALL the DR forums ... so you don't have to ... just trust him.

He also knows more about the DR650 than just about anyone outside of the little guys in Hamahatsu, Japan who designed and built the DR650. Truly encyclopedic knowledge, great mechanic and fabricator.

If I was going RTW, Jeff at ProCycle would be on speed dial and I would have an OPEN account there. He's very smart and helpful to international riders, a great problem solver too. bier

The Keintech mid pipe Nevil and I have is different to the mid pipe Procycle sells, the Keintech mid pipe attaches to the 40F0 with 4 bolts, the pipe/flange is one piece, the Procycle unit uses a bolt on flange with spring retainers holding the separate pipe on.
The Keintech unit is more expensive and extremely well made, but theres nothing wrong with the Procycle one though and it makes sense to buy from Procycle if you are doing a big order.

If you are planning on re-doing the suspension then Id just go with a Cogent Dynamics revalved shock (depending on your budget!) and drop in DDC valves with 5wt oil and stiffer springs up front.

Ive been tinkering with the DR's front end for 5 years and this is the best set up suspension Ive found so far (For A DR650)

The Acerbis 6.6Gal is the best option for a large tank without going to the huge Safari tank and for me the Corbin has been a really comfortable seat, good luck with the build!

Thanks Gipper. Very concise and informative. I will save myself a month of 'round and round' reading and follow your advice. If the procycle pipe is effective and cheaper I will go down that route. I will also buy tank and probably a Corbin seat from there too as I want them to stay in business because they are such a good resource for DR owners. The suspension will need a bit more reading/explaining because I haven't started on that issue yet and my experience in that area is limited to say the least but it is something that needs my attention if I'm to take a loaded bike over rough terrain.
Thanks again Gipper much appreciated

Alan

No problem Alan,

If you are going to use a 40F0, then you will need to do some light bedtime reading and do a few minor adjustments to the carb to make it run better.

In stock trim the BST40 carb runs very lean, the fuel screw is set and covered with an EPA brass blanking plug (so the screw cannot be adjusted and the bike passes emissions tests)

This plug can be removed easily and replaced with an 'extended fuel screw' and to make the bike run better with the 40F0 as a minimum you should 'shim the needle'

All of this info is found here:

The BST-40 Bible - ADVrider

Home

So while you are shopping at Procycle you might as well add in a 'Procycle Jet Kit for stock carb'

This kit has everything you will need to remove the plug (drill bit and screw) and do this, it also contains several jets and a much better carb needle (which you should use straight away) and the extended fuel screw, so you can do much more adjustment in the future, its also IMO better than the Dynojet kit.

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...altitude-73533

Anyway, don't get bogged down with all this info, Id break in your new DR in stock trim for the first few thousand miles and get used to it, then start with the Farkles ;)

Absolutely
 

I won't be rushing, this is a long term project starting with UK camping trips then Spain then after that into africa early next year.
Plenty of good info and future reading for me to digest there, thanks again :thumbup1:

alan

DR 650 at sea. I hope!
 

Glad to hear you've got a DR on the way. There'll be two of new ones in the UK now. That's my exclusivity gone. Rats! doh

I've gone at it a slightly different way and gone for the suspension rather than intake/exhaust mods. Perhaps we can get together and see how it plays out.

My not so cunning plan is to run the bike in, forks, shock, seat, tank, electric stuff. (thank you Mollydog and Mr Procycle). Next up is a shake down to Greece run then back home to the UK to get my Pakistan visa then off for Foreign Parts with a king size box of wet wipes.

What can possibly go wrong?

The box of wet wipes turned out to be old stock & were sandpaper dry. :mchappy:

Mezo.

"wipe the tears from your eyes..."
 

Good news is. Wet wipes are great for cleaning frying pans out if there's no running water.
Bad news is, I received an email from spencer at Bridge Moto telling me he's sorry but he accidentally sold my bike to someone else without realising.
I have no idea what went on, is going on or indeed what to do next. Deposit returned and awaiting bank statement to confirm. Has anyone bought from Bridge before? Hope martin(the Clark) doesn't have a similar surprise.
I will start looking for another new DR as I now know I don't want a twenty year old restoration project. Maybe a new KTM is the way after all.
Gutted

Surely Bridge Moto can order in another one, or more?
They have advertised brand new DR650s and KLRs, both imported direct from the States, for many months - going way back into last year IIRC.

Man, that's bad news :helpsmilie:
At a guess ... perhaps he's run into paperwork issues regards importation?
I'd be interested to know his list of folks who have actually received NEW BIKES from the USA.

If it turns out NONE have come in at all ... then could be he's run into unforeseen problems regarding "greasing the skids" to get those Suzuki's into the UK ... or ...

Could be he must gather enough deposits up front to afford to bring an entire container of bikes in. But getting enough Punters on board may take time.
A big container makes it cheaper for him (read: more profit) probably fit 20 or so DR's into large container??

Probably $5K usd or so for the container, plus paying for bikes, plus paying customs duty, fees and God knows what else they nick you for.

A professional freight forwarder/agent really must be employed to pull this deal off. Not easy. I doubt he's bringing in just ONE BIKE at a time. Containers are how this works.

If you can't wait for a DR (I don't blame you!), next best IMHO would be the XT600E. Find a Virgin one, put in the prep work, nearly as good as a DR650 from what I've seen.

KTM 690 is a fast, light and capable machine. It's big money, but the real problem is after you've bought it ... you've still got work to do to prep for travel, needs a lot to be taken seriously as a full on ADV Dual Sport travel bike. Not cheap to do.

I think the XT would be cheaper to set up for the road.
IMO, both DR and XT are stronger, more rugged bikes than the KTM 690.
The engines are tougher, more reliable and easier and cheaper to rebuild. But the KTM is the performance king ... if that is your thing. :scooter:

Where to now
 

They do bring containers full in. Mostly old collectables like Harley's and Kawasaki strokers I believe. He said he is scouring for another 'pre registered' 2014 bike as they are cheaper and maybe the fact they are therefore technically second hand bikes makes a difference to the duty etc.?
Prefer a DR to an XT but will have to wait and see what becomes available. I had already dismissed the KTM as its probably more off road performance than i need and more fragile.

I mentioned some time ago, perhaps in a different thread, that there is more than one Brit motorcycle dealer that brings in bikes from the USA by the container load - as you say, usually "collectables".

If Bridge Moto come up with a "pre-registered" bike then it will be in the UK already, at least in the sense that it is registered on a UK plate which should mean that the import taxes will be paid already.

Good luck with the search.

I don't know how the UK looks at year old, NEW bikes, but in USA they are still considered as NEW! They are not registered at all until sold, and if going overseas, then not required they be registered at all.

Registering a "left over", new 2014 would cost quite a bit, and would include sales tax, license. On a $6000 usd (MSRP) DR650, probably about $1000 USD, more or less.

My guess Bridge are buying unsold 2014 models direct from American Suzuki or from regional Suzuki centers. In the USA dealers pay "flooring charges" for a bike after a certain amount of time. (this is negotiable) Once the "free period" is over, dealers must begin to PAY "flooring" to keep that bike on their floor.

At this point, Suzuki will take back any left over bikes dealers do not want, or may suspend flooring charges, this all varies dealer to dealer, all negotiable.

What Suzuki does with them after that varies: Ship to foreign markets, sell to guys like Bridge, or send them back to Japan and CRUSH them. (yes, they DO this sometimes!!!!) But most "left overs" are sent to foreign markets, sold off cheap.

As of now, if you scour Cycle Trader, you will see plenty of left over NEW 2014 DR's for sale nationwide. Also plenty of low mileage used DR's from 2011 to 2013. Even if the bike was an unregistered NO miles 2012, it would still be considered "NEW" by all states.
Prices vary. Check it out!

Dr 650se Suzuki Motorcycles - CycleTrader.com

My bike is, I am assured, in Southampton awaiting registration.

It's a grey one which makes it (I think) a 2014 model. But that is not important

I just need my bike!

I'm hoping to get it run in, serviced and and taken for a shakedown run.

I'll let you guys know in a couple of weeks...

Another one in the UK
 

Just going through the process of getting my 2012 DR650 SVA approved for the UK. I've owned it from new in Australia and brought it back on my return earlier this year.

Plenty of mods (Acerbis tank, Cogent suspension, case armour etc.), but not sure all are going to be suitable for the UK. Give me a few months & I'll let you know what I had to change!

A couple of mods if you're likely to use the bike off-road: remove the top chain roller & invest in a set of engine case guards. You'll note that the gear lever is in line with the engine casing & it's easy to punch it through in an off.

Planning on entering the Lands End trial next spring - could be a bit of fun on the DR?

Would a low mileage, A1 condition 20 year old bike be of any interest ?

This one has just come up for sale near me for £1,995

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...8dc1e37a11bfea

It is in Jersey so 20% VAT will need to be added on import to UK and it will need to be re-registered. It's a genuine 2 owner from new bike and the mileage is accurate. Message me if you are interested and I can get more photos and info.

Hi


The DR650 that I imported from Oz to UK after riding it back will be on display at the www.overlandevent.com later this month. My wifes XT250 should also be there. Maybe pop down for a squizzy at them?
Cheers

progress
 

Hi Andy, how is the SVA process going? Curious to see what they find wrong with the bike. I'm looking into bringing one in myself and can unbolt offending bits but if the emissions are an issue then what??!!:thumbdown:

eek
 

Sorry for late reply but too much money for such an old bike especially if I would have to lump tax on as well but thank you for the heads up.

problems importing?
 

Hi Will thanks for the offer but been travelling around for the last couple of months, just come back to feed the cat and do a few months work.
What problems did you have getting it through th SVA test if any??

if at first...
 

[QUOTE=Surely Bridge Moto can order in another one, or more?
They have advertised brand new DR650s and KLRs, both imported direct from the States, for many months - going way back into last year IIRC.[/QUOTE]

I obviously missed the golden age of importing DRs. Like I said the guy at Bridge said he had one of two and took my deposit, then a few weeks later emailed a sentence saying sorry i screwed up, the bike was sold to someone else. Brilliant.
Against all my instincts but in desperation I've called a couple of times but he said earlier today to look elsewhere. Fair enough!
I called DK and in contrast the guy there was very helpful and informative.
He said it's not the sort of thing we bring in however if you source a bike and get it to Denver we will ship it and register it on Nova or something taking care of the import duty and the vat as its less than ten years old.
The cost for this service would be £500, very helpful chap offering a way for me to possibly do it so we're back in the game.
Found another company that imports vehicles "Kingstown Shipping" (anyone..?)
So if anyone reading this in the 'States knows of a 2012 ish DR without a million miles on it pleas shout up.
DK fill their containers at Denver as I said so it would have to be near there but I will try and talk to someone at Kingstown tomorrow and post back here.
More future reading will be what hoops I have to jump through to pass the SVA test, anyone put a DR through one of these recently??

Hey Allan,
If you navigate Craig's list you can search all US cities and states for a DR650.

denver motorcycles/scooters "DR650" - craigslist

Also try Cycle Trader:
Page 3 of 7 - Suzuki Dr Motorcycles - CycleTrader.com

Horrible to navigate but lots of bikes nationwide.

DR's for sale all over USA. Plenty low miles, new-ish ones, brand new ones as well. Shop around, be patient.

Try to find one with useful add ons:
(Acerbis Tank, better seat, bash guards, case guards, Bark Busters, racks, panniers, suspension work, pipe, et al)

The DR650 is EPA approved, has smog EVAP canister in stock form (most owners remove it). Stock tank is part of EPA smog system. I'm sure
EURO regs and clean air equipment are similar. The stock DR passes EPA mostly by using VERY lean jetting.

Good luck!

mollydog
 

you're a star :thumbup1:

update
 

Seems (from looking at their website) that Kingston Shipping are the go to guys for shipping, not only in terms of logistics but they also offer paperwork advice too. I will call them monday.
They have a stack of shipping departure points all around the U.S. coastline and also offer a pick up from seller' service too
So, the hunt is on for a good used DR650, problem is I'll be buying a second hand bike with little chance of any come back if it's a donkey.
Next question, could anyone help me source a newish DR?? The newer the better as there is less time for it to be fkt about with. I really can't see an alternative bike to the DR so this is the route I'm pursuing. I would be happy to pay or offer some sort of return favour in return for a bit of trans atlantic assistance

Alan, DR's are so cheap in the US and Canada, id just buy a brand new one or a very lightly used 2014/2015.

Id also consider riding the bike to Procycle/Keintech who are both in Oregon and modifying it - so you save any shipping fees, then flying it to the UK.

DR's are quite a bit cheaper in the US than Canada, BUT the USD is quite strong at the moment, so you could maybe pick up a Canadian bike for peanuts and ship it back to the UK.

Here are a couple of local dealers in Calgary:

Blackfoot Motosports

Suzuki DR650SE GW Cycle World Calgary, AB (403) 569-9555

You can buy a brand new 2015 DR650 for $5,899 CAD or 2,914 GBP (+ PDI and GST @ 5%) total about ~ 3,400 GBP out the door, not sure if you could claim the GST (goods and services tax in Alberta) back after its exported to UK.

List price for a new bike in the USA is currently $6,499 USD or 4,188 GBP (you may get a better deal though)

Or if you want to buy a used DR650, join the DR Riders Forum:

www.DRRiders.com

and look for a nearly new bike in the USA.....

2014 DR650 Raleigh, NC area : Buy, Sell, Trade and Wanted

You could also ask a HUBB community in Colorado to help you out or if you decide to buy in Canada give me a shout, I live 1 1/2 hours outside of Calgary and would gladly help you if you decide to buy a DR in Canada no problem (accommodation etc)

2014 Suzuki DR650 Dual-Sport Bike | sport bikes | Red Deer | Kijiji


:)

nice one!
 

Cheers Gipper
I'll know more once I've had a chance to speak with the guys at Kingston, plan to call James Cargo too. I know the bike needs to have a title (?) Does that mean it needs to be registered to a person i.e.. second hand?
Hopefully know more tomorrow and yes I was looking for as new a bike as possible

Hi Alan,

any bike you export/import must have a title registered in your name I would guess, or you would get a lot of problems about ownership and entitlement to export/import the bike.


* Just to clarify, title = registration, you could be the original owner of the bike and that would be fine, but what I would do is make sure it has a few miles/kms on the clock before you import it into the UK, so that it is used.


forgot to mention that in Canada we work in KMH, a US bike will be easier to get through and MOT/inspection as the speedo is in MPH.

I agree 100% - go new or very near new, and get the bike outfitted in North America before importing it. Most of the support for DR's is in NA or in Aus. I'm guessing you will save quite a bit on shipping and import fees if you do it all at once. At a minimum get a large tank installed before shipping the bike - unless you can source it in Europe directly.

All depends on how much time you have I guess, but buying in Oregon and getting Procycle to outfit the bike before it goes into a crate sounds like a headache free solution that will probably save you $ and time in the long run.

good stuff
 

Cheers guys, keep that info coming it all sounds just about spot on!I think second hand but 2013/4 with only a few Ks on the clock is what I want. New could cause problems with paperwork so virtually new will do nicely. I just need someone to help me find one now!!!
Kingstown importers were really helpful and the ship for the same money (£600) from all over the US. They even offer transport to the port.
Yes I would love to let ProCycle waive their magic spanner over the bike, save me a load of long distance shopping and guesswork but a look at the map shows ProCycle who I believe are based in Oregon are 350 miles or eight hours from Kingston's nearest port i.e. Seattle.So I might as well just locate a newish DR near the coast anywhere in the US then send for the parts from ProCycle on a separate order.

food for thought!
 

I'll email PC tomorrow and see if they could be of any help in sourcing a bike and arranging transporting it to Seattle as I'm sure they truck a lot of bikes around as well as sell bits to bolt on?

Or...
Do I organise a trip for next year across the width of America, fly out to the north west, buy a bike and head for New York via Oregon. Thats worth cashing in a chunk of pension for surely

Pro Cycle don't really run a typical retail dealer operation, don't sell new or used bikes, far as I know.

They do projects, Big Bore Kits, custom stuff and lots of R & D work for new products ... from what I can tell. It's a BIG TIME mail order business, not retail.

I doubt Jeff trucks bikes around much and usually doesn't shop for bikes ... but who knows? If there is one near him, perhaps he could help you out?

FAR MORE used DR650's in California than Oregon. (30 mil people in California vs maybe 3 mil in Oregon) But you know this cause you've shopped around on Craig's list ... right?

Buying New vs. Used. By Winter, prices for left over NEW DR650's will drop sharply, good discounts off MSRP. One great advantage of buying in Oregon is that there is NO sales tax. California tax varies between 8.5% and 10%.

Used bike prices will also moderate a bit by Fall. October/November a good time to buy in my experience.

Buying a new-ish used bike or NEW bike is a wise move if planning a major trip. Buying sight unseen is a bit scary but with proper vetting will usually turn out well.

A cross country trip sounds good! ... but note: all the good stuff is in the West!

Hi mollydog. Yep I tried Craig's list straight away but that site is a mess man. I kept ending up in SF Bay Area and however many ways I put DR 650 it kept throwing all other forms of "adventure bikes" at me.
I ended up on CycleTrader.com prices seem good and easy to search nationally. Then I open a tab of Kingstown's website and tally up dealers near ports that Kingstown list. Send six emails but no response as yet.
I know PC aren't a bike dealer but wondered if I could arrange transport there and they bolt on some essential kit. Big tank etc. I'm sure their labour cost would balance out shipping the parts separately at a later date. Also re the delivery. There is a port at Seattle relatively near to PC so I wondered again if they used a local bike pick up/drop off service that could run my bike to the port. Chargeable obviously!
Re Craig's list. If I'm missing something then send me a link but from here I keep getting sent to singles matching sites etc. it seems too big for its own good. Probably lack of familiarity on my part I guess??

I have no problems with Craig's ... Cycle Trader is more trouble but once you know ins and outs of both, both doable. :thumbup1:

With Craig's List search by City - Select: Motorcycles - Select: ALL (owner and dealer) - Select: Show Titles Only.

Use search term: DR650 ... do another search using DR 650

Go City by City. Searching "ALL" which will include dealers and private sales. If searching San Fran Bay are select ALL SF Bay Area. Same for Los Angeles area.

Getting your new title will be EASIER if you buy through a dealer.
They do it ALL for you. It's their job. Or ... don't change title, leave it as is ... just have it signed off by seller/dealer. Now you can register it in UK transferring from seller to you when registering in UK. (not sure about how imports work in UK)

You WILL need a local address to buy a bike if you want a new title with YOUR NAME on it ...you can use the DEALER's address in most cases. If private sale, ask seller to use HIS address. Should not be a problem. When paperwork arrives they can forward it to you via mail. (3 to 6 weeks)

If private sale you could do as mentioned above. Just take the bike ... and GO. (making sure seller has signed over title to you and done a bill of sale) Leave it in seller's name, sort it out once back in UK.

Don't get into buying for export, commercial or using MSO's or other machinations. A nightmare. Just do a straight buy like any punter off the street. Then just ship bike to UK. You might be able to "fiddle" the price you paid to lower import tax in UK. ???? not sure on this.

On a California title they ask you to list price paid. With a private sale you can put whatever price you like as long as YOU and the SELLER agree and the seller puts this SAME price on his "Release of liability form". They MUST MATCH or you'll run afoul of DMV. (this in California)
Dealers must put true price paid.

With dealer sale, paperwork will be filed with local DMV, processed, then sent out to you at whatever listed address. You will receive a new TITLE (aka Pink Slip), new, current registration and possibly a sticker for license plate.

As mentioned, if bike is going directly to UK, then none of this is required.

Private sale. If you decide to register the bike in YOUR NAME, you must appear at DMV (in some states) present old title, pay fees and tax and register your new bike. (Some states allow doing this all by mail).

Not sure about Oregon. The seller may be able to go to DMV and register bike in your name for you. Not sure on this, should be doable in most states.

I know it seems complicated ... but really it's NOT!

Good luck!

bier

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Two steps forward one step back. Just when I thought I was getting somewhere.
No reply from the half a dozen dealers I contacted, not a sausage! Maybe they thought a random email from someone in a foreign country was a scan or something? Perhaps rather than explain myself if I said "I want to buy a bike but I'm in England, how do I do it?" I may have gotten something back.
This is becoming a real ball breaker and I haven't even started trying to send money yet!!
Hey Mollydog, any dealers near you selling a 2013\14 DR that you could ask? It may be a bit more plausible coming from a local guy :(

Firms sell stuff. Are you a buyer? State what you want to buy, not how to do it. As a guide you want to give them your desired Make/model price and then the intended use (tour back country roads) .. maybe some ideas on need accessories. Make them sell $$$ and they should respond:rofl:

The problem might be the time frame... they don't want the bike sitting around, they want it sold and gone. So how soon are you going could be a factor. If it is say so .. could they have a bike for you to match between dates x and y?

Some firms ship free within the states. PC I don't know. Some Hubbers would be able to let you use their address for shipping the part/s.

Just a suggestion Alan, if you are serious about buying a bike, dont bother emailing - call a few dealers in the USA - a few quid on phone calls is money well spent, talking to a salesperson will give you lots of information on whether they are interested in selling you a bike and helping you, or a more interested in going for lunch- something that an email cannot.

Quite so.
You can call anywhere in the world for about 1 penny per minute (+ the VAT) using Skype (and there is plenty of competition to Skype itself).

Not that simple
 

Errr yes I am a buyer and they are indeed dealers but I f we ignore the word "should" in this equation then I can tell you I explained I want a bike, have cash and am in the UK because we don't import them here any more. The response was zero.
I think gipper hit the nail on the head. I did actually call six dealers this morning and left voicemail where possible due to time diff. I will call again later tonight as the ex colonials are somewhat lagging behind us :innocent:
Only joking.
Yes I agree talking is the best solution here and will also give me a chance to instinctively get a feel for them as dealers

Wow. Difficult
 

Okay story so far. Called six dealers and only one positive response so far. When I say positive I mean willing as opposed to problem fixing so a long way to go yet. 'Road track and trail' in,Wisconsin? for instance said "we can't do that sort of thing" and that was the end of that. Frustrating. Still optimistic
Another positive result from a dealer in Houston just now!

It's just the way of businesses; they get comfortable with their market and their customer base and don't have to do very much at all to also be comfortable in their personal/corporate life style.

There will be someone out there who wants to expand (or does already export bikes) and who will deal with you however.

looking good
 

I called a good few dealers in person and couple of helpful guys but the only one person that I could describe as genuinely helpful was a dealer in Houston.
So I have paid a holding deposit on a 2013 very low miler and will email the shipping company tomorrow for their requirements. Hoping to order some parts from ProCycle and get them delivered to the dealer so that they can be placed in with the bike

:clap::clap::clap:

Uk dr 650
 

I don't know if this helps but my UK DR 650 is in China looking at some big and snow covered mountains.

If you swung by with a truck full of KTM'S and BM'S I'd probably say thanks but no thanks. It is a great bike (though I'm not sure why)

Good luck!

We dont know how you are getting on the the purchase, no update for ages

I know its not a DR but I saw this on Autotrader UK, a KLR 650, you could spend a few grand on it and have a great bike, if I didn't have my XT I might be tempted myself

KAWASAKI KLR 652 cc 650

Wayne

Hi all, I am planning to import a new DR650SE from Australia to UK soon and was hoping somebody who has done it recently may be able to update about passing the MSVA procedure, such as any issues with CO emissions for the carburetted DR650s? Many thanks in advance if you can help!

It's online nowadays.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...pection-manual

Thanks for the reply. I do have the MVSA document, what I really meant to ask in a better way was, does anyone have the actual figures for recent DR650SEs that have passed the MVSA? I am trying to find out in advance if they produce under the 4.5% CO carbon monoxide passing level mentioned in the MVSA doc? Or if close to it, can the carbys be tuned leaner in order to pass it? Thanks in advance.

Sorry, typo, I meant MSVA (not MVSA)

hi again Martin
 

After a long drawn out process I've got the bike on its way, this time hopefully it will arrive and still belong to me! Sounds like you're having one heck of a ride, enjoy

alan

done
 

Sorry for the delay guys but tbh not much happening, lot's of phone calls to ProCycle and finally got a list of essential mods I think I need.
Goods despatched from PC to dealer at Houston. All arrived and dealer after checking list boxed the parts up with the bike.
Latest news is bike and bits delivered to the dock and checked in, now the shipping company pick up the thread and with a bit of luck I should hear from them in a few weeks to say come get your bike.
Then I start the MSVA process, thanks Walkabout, useful link!

How you got your DR650 (and you!) into China is beyond me! I just can't imagine the paperwork nightmare you must have gone through and abuse taken. But you are there! Congrats bier Hope it's going well! :mchappy:

I had questions and doubts about my DR650 too ...took a year before certain things started to add up, along with several comparo back to back rides on various other bikes. Once back on "old reliable" DR650 things begin to click inside my head. Once a trust developed, I could really relax traveling on the bike.

Having owned & traveled with (or on) the competition the last 25 years, I have some perspective. The harder I look (and ride) other bikes against the DR, the more the DR650 comes up Aces. A nice surprise!

Took a couple serious Mexico trips for this to sink in but eventually it could not be denied: The DR650 is GOOD!

Do all the best mods, learn it's care & feeding and it will treat you well.

My first "modern" dual sport bike was my 1987 XL600R Honda. (I rode and raced dirt bike before that) The old XL was a great bike but had failure issues, wasn't as good on highway as the DR650.

Various XR's, XR-L, and KLR and KTM could not compare ... once I discovered just what the DR650 could do, the more impressed I became. Rode BMW F650 Dakar back to back with my DR in Moab, Utah. Not close off road.

The DR is the most versatile and quite reliable. Can be loaded heavy, can sit on 70 mph all day, then bash through wash board or rocks for a week, then get back on highway and ride 2000 miles non stop.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-U...89-h667-no.jpg
Not bad on nice two track trail

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A struggle up this STEEP boulder strewn trail ... but made it first time.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e...-fQT2zWQ-L.jpg
Baja sand.

Glad to hear the bike is finally on the way :thumbup1:

Wayne

Great news Alan!

at last
 

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Just what I wanted, stock standard DR here in the UK with less than 500 miles on the clock. Christmas arrived early this year bier

Congrats!

Always nice to have a success.
:scooter::scooter:

Please post some facts/figures about the importation when you find time - and the registration business.

:thumbup1::thumbup1:

nearly there...
 

Just the paperwork to sort out now
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Anyone who wants one of these real world do it all bikes pulled into Europe as opposed to a 250kg 140+hp fashion missile then go for it.
I'll be shopping at ProCycle and sorting the documentation out next. No major hassles so far just lots of research and a dollop of trust!

Facts and figures
 

Will do for sure. I'm just starting the legals at this end so it's not over yet in terms of spending but what a massive relief to have the bike, it's been all talk and promises until now.
Time wise i just looked back on this thread and saw my post on finding a dealer with a DR which was 4 August so around three months from start to finish re acquiring the bike but I'm sure I could halve that time now I have the knowledge and the contacts.
I must say I'm dreading actually working out the total cost of this once the process is complete :unsure:

The bikes looking good, well worth the wait no doubt

Wayne

Maybe this will indicate why Bridge Moto don't bother too much with that aspect of their business. i.e. it may be a good proposition for an individual who has the interest in a specific bike, and the time to address the administration and logistical requirements without having to "cost in" that time.

Yes I'd have to agree although the import tax admin side of things should be a formality for them. There's probably more profit in old Harleys etc.
For me personally there was no preferable alternative. The nearest bike to my personal ideal is the XT660 which weighs more and has a much more complicated engine. I'm guessing once I factor in shipping etc. it will end up costing roughly the same as the Yamaha.
I couldn't imagine even considering this route without the internet.

Yep, that's all realistic.
What you have achieved at some personal time, effort and cost to yourself has to be paid for when it comes to a business consideration.
Bridge Moto also bring in bikes from Japan, for instance - "all ready to go" in terms of riding on the left of the road; and there are others who ship in what they know that they can sell - Jap specialist cars and camper vans are popular for various reasons.

diy
 

QUOTE "Bridge Moto also bring in bikes from Japan, for instance - "all ready to go" in terms of riding on the left of the road;" QUOTE
Err, they drive on the left in Japan.
Sounds like you're doing a pr job for Bridge Moto here so it's only fair to say I did contact Bridge initially after hearing they were bringing two DRs into the UK, one sold and a Grey 2013 one for sale.
The guy took a £500 deposit off me and I started buying accessories etc but then a few weeks later I received a short message simply saying "sorry, made a mistake, the bike wasn't for sale"
Now I have no idea whether they sold it for more money to someone else or simply lost the ability to count to two but either way I was suddenly without my bike so I decided to do it myself. Yes it took a few calls and some organising but no more let downs plus I saved about a thousand pounds.

Exactly what I referred to as "ready to go".
It is not much of a deal nowadays with modern bikes that have flat beam headlights that dip directly downward rather than left, or right + modern clocks are switchable between MPH and KmPH.
However, there is a long traditional in the UK of importing LHD vehicles in to the UK for all manner of reasons.

Incidentally, I once did a quck and dirty calculation; about 40% of the world's population drive on the left of the road for historical reasons.
It used to be more but some, such as Sweden, capitulated.

PR.
Not al all.
I know of Bridge Moto via:-
They have advertised on UK ebay for some years - as mentioned earlier, they specialise in imported bikes including a rather good looking CL400 brought in from Japan recently (althought it was, last time I looked, at an asking price way above that of another CL400).

Their shop is located on a main road in the outskirts of Reading en route to Reading railway station, the town centre and even the local main dealer for BMW motorrad.
I do have an eye for bike shops though. :mchappy::mchappy:

In a nutshell, that is how I know of them.

ps
Bridge Moto is located right next to a bridge (funny name for a bike shop) near a key road junction; probably been there since the premises were used for shoeing horses pulling carts.

enough already!!!
 

"PR. Not at all"
Followed by potted history of the place, models sold, a turn by turn of how to find them and even a pretty visual of the shop next to a Bridge. :nono::nono::nono:

The "potted history" is a guess, tongue firmly in the corner of mouth at the time, based on a slight acquaintance with the need to shoe horses.

My ref to CL400 is because I quite like the look of them and there were two for sale on ebay last time I looked including one at Bridge Moto - the same Bridge Moto that let you down quite badly.

My knowledge of the road layout in the area is based on visiting Reading hospital which is also in that general area.

Yep, well spotted, I am indeed acting as a secret agent for Bridge Moto along with my part-time employment there on Sundays, washing and polishing the bikes and making the tea for the thousands of customers flocking to the premises to view the latest arrivals from the USA and Japan. :innocent:

I can also get you a really good deal with DK bikes in Stoke on Trent who import loads of stuff - just name what you want - I am well acquainted with that emporium.
I only wash their bikes - my mate has the polishing role.
:rofl::rofl:

What do you want to know about the bike shop scene in Swindon?
There is lots going on there.
More :rofl:
Probably enough :rofl::rofl::rofl: for one day.

Incidentally, it's your thread - delete whatever; just say the word.

Enough now please!
 

This is a soap opera. I'm sure they have sold a lot of bikes to a lot of happy customers I'm just saying they let me down badly with total disregard. I'm not into deleting posts or blocking people but perhaps you could find another place to hang your pop posters on the wall. I'm glad you finally cracked and confessed about the weekend job, my hunches are usually right and as for your friend and his polishing role well all I can say is each to their own. So if I can reboot the thread I need to fit a tiny white light to replicate the pea light fitted to uk bikes. Ordered one and it's coming from honk Kong so a dash to Halfords may be on the cards this weekend. Booked in for SVA ON the 27th then it's hopefully all done and dusted!

Haven't done that since Eagle comic centre page pullouts of half a century ago.

Bon chance for the SVA; looking forward to hearing about how that process goes.

When I registered my Australian DR in the UK, I just had to get the 5w running light installed and put an MPH sticker on the speedo. After riding it from Australia to Scotland, all the hassle and expense of getting the UK plate on it, it was stolen the following week...sods law. But be mindful this is exactly the kind of bike the thieving b*stards like to help themselves to in the UK so do please take extra precautions if its parked outside.

For the life of me, I have no idea why Suzuki make these bikes so hard to get hold of outside of North America and Australia, I'd buy another in a heartbeat :)

update
 

Eventually got the forms off to good ole DVLA with the cheque obviously and had it returned three weeks later, the wanted another fifty five pounds for something or other so re submitted and waiting. The paperwork has been a ball ache tbh but seeing the bike standing in the garage makes it worth the hassle and I'll be going to the UK meet on it. As to why they're not available in europe, I heard it failed the emissions tests with it's stinky old carbs etc but surely USA has as strict if not stricter regs?
Also the fashion aspect, lovable as it is to the well informed like us, it doesn't have enough fantastic plastic to sell to the masses I guess

Shipping my 2012 DR650SE over to UK in a couple of weeks. Have a lot of mods done so will have to check it all before I begin to register in UK. It won't arrive until end April so plenty of time to get the necessary parts to pass MOT.

I'm surprised it's taken so long Alan. Sounds like the UK DVLA are not encouraging non UK based imports. Have you been able to ride the bike while you wait? What do you think so far?

Regards the DR650 passing an MOT ... it should. Unless MOT testers are now doing smog tests (done in many US states on cars but NOT on bikes ... yet).

The DR650 should pass save the headlight pointed for right side drive. So you'll have to get an Aussie or Japanese market headlight (I think?).

In the USA the DR650 is sort of "Grandfather'd" in by current EPA regulations and just barely passes.

Suzuki have leaned out the stock DR650 as far as they dare and used all sorts of Carb tricks to have it run cleaner. Somehow the EPA let it through ... along with the KLR650 and Honda XR650L ... all Carb'd bikes that are still sold NEW in USA.

It's a Bullshit deal really ... you could breath the exhaust from a DR, KLR, XR-L and not get light headed, all super clean burning, super lean. The KLR is cleanest due to liquid cooling, tighter tolerances. A lawn mower or Weed Whacker puts out FAR more pollution than any of above bikes. doh

bullcrap is universal
 

EU harmonisation regulations require Fuel Injection. That was a few years ago - now it is compulsory ABS.
Most of this technology is likely manufactured by the industries that lobby the EU - Bosch for instance?

ps
Frau Merkel clicked her fingers and the VW "scandal" is now forgotten, and forgiven, by the EU folks.

Alan, some good news on the MSVA, in case it helps. Collected my new DR650SE 2015 in November and rode it a bit in West Aust, then crated it up myself and shipped it without problems to the UK, arrived in December(many thanks to Ivan at Bikes Abroad and to Roddy at Motofreight for a hassle free experience). As I am resident, I needed to pay the 20% VAT and 6% import duty, even so it is still good value to get a new 'old school' bike I can still work on myself. Then I got a low mileage MPH original speedo from Ebay USA. And also a 12V running/pea/position LED lamp from Amazon UK which then I fitted under the headlamp (drilled a 13 mm hole), plugged it into the vacant electrical connector that is already there. Lamp remains lit when the key is on, same as the headlamp. This running/pea/position lamp is needed to pass the MSVA but not needed for future MOTs I was told, but I think it will stay as it helps with being seen better. And more good news, an MOT wasn't needed in my case due to the bike being newer than 3 years. The bike passed the MSVA easily, CO at idle was measured at 1.63%, well under the 4.5% limit, carby completely stock. It was a very cold day, which possibly may have helped with the low CO reading, not sure (air more dense? who knows). Note there was no blanking plate for the fuel mixture screw as mentioned on forums, and antway it didn't need any carby adjustments to pass. Lights, brakes, mirrors, exhaust, everything was stock and new and everything passed easily.

Contrary to what others have said on forums, I did have to transport it in a van to the MSVA site as Carole Nash wouldn't agree to it being ridden on the WA plates.

Got the V5C from DVLA within a week, and got the plate made up. I am enjoying riding it around on those rare sunny cold days we sometimes have at the moment.
As funds slowly allow, I will be looking to start playing with mid pipes, GSXR cans, carby 'BST magic', suspension upgrade, seat and tank mods etc. What a great way to enjoy retirement. Steve

Enjoy the DR650 Steve, Its a great all-rounder :)


They are also a bloody good deal at the moment, I can go and buy a brand spanking new one for just over 3 thousand quid here in Canada ;)

[QUOTE=steve3z;532181] As I am resident, I needed to pay the 20% VAT and 6% import duty, even so it is still good value to get a new 'old school' bike I can still work on myself.

I guess you had to pay tax due to not owning it for 6 months prior to shipping?

I used ProCycle in the US for the myriad of parts I have added to the bike. I too am retiring to while away my days adventure travelling (when the Mrs allows). Its a fantastic bike and I have really enjoyed it out here in Dubai and Oman.

[QUOTE=BobH;532335]I brought a car into the UK from Europe in 1998 after working there for a while.
6 months was the rule at that time and I think the idea was that the vehicle should show some mileage as evidence that it was not brand new; I did not pay any futher duty on that basis.

Nowadays, all those rules must be on the gov website?

Well we get a chance to have our way soon regarding European Union. I want out not because I hate other countries, on the contrary. I just hate politicians and leaving that club removes a whole layer or blood sucking unelected interfering parasites. My concern is that most political party leaders want to remain so I guess ther will be some number binding so they get their way. They already have the media on board

At long last
 

Congrats to everyone who successfully steered themselves through this process. Its taken me months for some reason but it was well worth it as I received my V5 yesterday (the second one as first one they sent had an error so they cancelled it!). Went and got my plate and immediately took my partner for a spin around the country lanes. Well she has helped with all the paperwork after all. Good news is she hated it as it scared her half to death compared to the armchair that is my R1200R so I can fit a single seat and a big rack and keep it to myself. It did feel brilliantly skinny and fun to ride and well worh all the hassle. I'm going to strap on some ProCycle goodies and take it to the HU meet at Hay this year. Come say hi.
Alan

Btw. The speedo was okay as America measures speed in miles like us and the headlight is such a basic affair that it doesn't have the L shaped beam, it's symmetrical. I did however have to fit a position pea lamp which I too bought from fleabay.

Long road but you got there! :scooter:
It's true, the DR is not so much favored as a Two-Up Barca Lounger like your RT (a wonderful bike!).

If your partner is petite it may work for her with a good custom seat like a Corbin or Sargent, otherwise a NO GO for long rides with pillion.

I advise riding your bike for a while before jumping in and making a bunch changes before you really understand what the bike is ... what it isn't and the SMART way to solve real or imagined "issues".

Most DR650 Noobs don't believe Suzuki know what they're doing and don't trust the recommended tire pressures listed. Trust them!
Suzuki suggest 22 psi front, 25 rear. These are the BEST pressures I've found ... after about 12 sets of tires of all kinds!

If two up or loaded you may go UP a pound or two ... but if you go too far handling will suffer ... especially in the wet where a well set up DR is simply amazing. Sticks like glue on wet roads. :thumbup1:

To Do's:
I would remove the UPPER change roller. It can make "klacky" sounds and will make you insane trying to find the noise. Take it off, no need for it.

If riding at night on dark roads you'll want an headlight up grade. I run an inexpensive HID kit. ($25) More than doubles output and reach and draws 20 less watts than OEM H-4 bulb.

The seat is an abomination lose it. Pay good money for an good after market seat. Many brands available. See the forums. My Corbin seat allowed the DR to go from a 2 hour ride max to a 10 hour ride. :thumbup1:

Shields:
OK if you can find a quiet set up. Folks who ride in severe cold or constant rain may consider a shield. I prefer NO shield ... nice and quiet, no turbulence.

A thousand things to buy at Pro Cycle, some useful and required, some fluff.
I'm at 65,000 miles. I spent $3,500 USD on the bike, added about $1200 USD in upgrades. (Ohlins shock, Emulators, racks, HID kit, Bark Busters et al)

After some of the basics listed above, IMO, suspension is most important upgrade you can make, especially if going off road.

Have fun! bier

Good Job Alan!


Glad you enjoyed the ride on the new DR :)

Traffic Technology Today
It's very likely that Bosch had an influence in the regulations.

It will be faster for you next time around.
:thumbup1:

That trick always works :rofl: My wife was happy enough to embrace the armchair that's the pillion seat on "our" GoldWing in the USA but the normal seats on the various bikes I have here don't, for some reason, seem to have the same appeal :rofl:

I'll also be at the Hay HUBB - either on my little pink 125 Suzuki (as featured in this month's Bike magazine no less!) or my yellow CCM. If I miss your DR but you spot either of my bikes say hello.

Cheers mollydog. I did get some Procycle basics with the bike based on previous reading. Big tank, comfy seat, suspension upgrades etc. but I want to ride it as standard first so I can rate the upgrades properly. My road bike incidentally is the R not the RT. I can't fault that bike and have found it almost impossible to replace. It does everything really well from cafe runs to trans continental winter tours and is in my opinion the best kept secret in motorcycling. Better handling and lighter than a GS which on the whole rarely tackle anything more than a dry track in any case. I did try the 800gs in my last attempt at a "one bike does all" but that was in my opinion way too tall, too top heavy and tall geared and a topple would see me spending the price of a DR in replacement BMW plastic.
No, I'm really happy that I eventually found my own sweet spot in terms of motorcycles.

Please don't be shy of writing up the R Beemer in the BMW tech section.
:mchappy: