same is starting to happen here too now. Supposedly an exhaust that produces more noise or more emissions than factory standard will be banned. IN some countries, virtually any modification to a vehicle from the manufacturers original spec, or endorsed by them is banned and, because of the idiot few, I can see that happening here too.

my apologizes, pipes are a emotionally hot topic around where I live...

I use engine noise when appropriate too! when I leave my house before 07:00 on a Sunday to do out for some fun I am really quiet! very gentle with revs and throttle, on the way back if I think my daughter is out playing or the neighbours kids I hold the gears so they can hear my noisy engine before they see me come round the corner (slowly). This way they are off the road instead of on it! Even at 15 or 20 mph.

when they don't hear me, they have run out in front on 2 occasions now.

Loud pipes are fine provided you are very gentle in residential areas especially during unsociable hours!

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This topic is up and running again :scooter: Best dont go thrashing the tits off your AP50 with a loud spanny attached in the Kent area or someone is likely to have an apoplexy :innocent:

It's nothing to JOKE ABOUT. It upsets this Swampie that much he's got CAPITAL LETTERS and he's PREPARED to USE them.

Have you read all the previous posts - apparently trial by combat is going to be resurrected :taz:Still beats a "caution" by miles !!

No, they're not legal.

They're sold as race use only. But no one really cares too much.

At that time in the morning though, you should try and track it down and put a polite note through the door.


Noise pollution is everywhere and getting worse.

I have a loud pipe but I would hate to think I was disturbing people. Within reasonable limits. I wouldn't leave it running on the drive or rev it up in the mornings etc.

The guy who lives opposite me runs his big petrol leaf blower for an hour every evening. Now that's noise pollution. He's got a weird obsession with leaves on his drive. It's like a jet engine going. However, there are times I have the angle grinder or chainsaw going so it's best just let him get on with it..

Best move to the Shetlands for a quiet life.

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My old local council had community meetings where policing would be discussed, and residents could help persuade the cops what local issues needed addressing... perhaps if you gather a band of merry men and women and shout loud enough then this might move up the agenda.

Have you rung the police to have a chat about this particular issue?

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Speaking as a moderator, thanks to one poster for editing the above. And thanks to all for addressing comments to the issue at hand while refraining from ad hominem, straw man, red herring, and other overused and abused forms of argumentation.

Speaking as a run-of-the-mill poster, I've got an intense dislike for loud pipes. I can certainly manage to live with them--not much choice, here in the Land of the Free (tm)--but I sure don't have to like it. I am equally irritated by loud leaf blowers, firecrackers, parents yelling ineffectually at their miscreant children, and verbose drunks on the neighborhood sidewalks.

Anyone favoring loud pipes might as well at least understand the opposing point of view, which is common among riders and non-riders alike. Taking steps not to offend people, as Ted describes above, seems to me considerate and common sensical.

Mark

Interesting thread to read...can't help but comment in a limited way; as it is an irksome thing here as well. Mopeds are the same everywhere it seems.....same her in Oz. I dont like loud pipes either; to what purpose are they used. To me it seems the same process of thought we apply to ourselves that it would make our motorcycle safer by informing the motorist and the pedestrian of our presence the same process of thought the moped can apply to himself. The moped here in Oz, is basically for the most part, a bicycle with a damn ancient designed lawnmower engine attached and peddles...I'm supposing it is the same elsewhere. Forgive me if I have it wrong.

My lawnmower has a Db rating that it can't exceed so it is a lot quiter than a LOT of m/b's. Certain M/c' makers don't have to abide by noise level restrictions it seems. Noise can be toxic to community stability.

Mopeds here are driven at speeds [sometimes on footpaths] exceeding the road speed limit by riders that are supposed to wear, but (seldom)don't, a helmet [bicycle type]. They do, I think, fit the description of 'a motor vehcile' under our state Motor Traffic Act. Fortunately there is NOT a lot of them. It is not policed here either, but in order to police it you would need a policeman on every corner of the streets...that's not going to happen. It's interesting fact here in Oz we have one Politician for every 1100 persons (per capita) and one policeman for approx. every 20,000 persons. I think the boys in blue have enough on their plate. They can't police everything and often stuff is just low on the priority list: BUT if it possible and it's not policed through laziness and not doing your job when you have the opportunity to, then that's a different matter. I can make that comment as I too had a career in law enforcement.

So who should be contacted moreso to change laws to pull these things into line because they have the power and there is more of them? The pollies I would say, but that's like talking to a brick wall. But it isn't their concern either...according to them the legislation is in place and it's a police matter. So it goes on the merry-go-round...something like (& I apologise to you scientists out there) the rock strata is dated by the fossil content and the fossil content is dated by the rock strata (???) Mopeds have an engine, are ridden on the road (and footpaths) BUT have no registration or licensing law to be obedient to. It is about time they did, I would think, pay their dues under those legislations (in terms of registration requirments and ability to ride through licensing); and then can be addressed the noise levels more effectively through control of the product. Of course this argument could go on and on infinitum......

Regards
Greg

To be ahead of the sound your engine is making you would have to be travelling faster than the speed of sound; ie Mach 1, or 766mph (approx. 340meters per second depending on air pressure).

The doppler offect is not really this its a change in pitch of the sound (or light) wave, either up or down depending on direction of travel.

I have nearly been wiped out by an electric car coming round a blind bend.... couldn't hear it over the cows in the next field.....

they are bloody dangerous those electric cars.