That's what a piss bottle is for, no need to go outside in the rain and if the lid seals well you have a hot water bottle for 20 mins or so...!!!! [emoji6][emoji1787][emoji1787]

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Never used one of those - I tend to just undo the zip ... :rofl:

Brung up in a barn before anyone says it :rofl:

I generally try to camp as much as possible to save money, and get a hotel once a week to shower/relax/wash clothes. That plan doesn't always work if the weather is nasty though.

Then kneel in it in the morning getting out of the tent...

One-litre plastic milk bottle works a treat, if you need more than that you've got a problem ;)

I enjoy camping (seldomly). I enjoy biking. I Just don't enjoy the combo.

Riding long days, day after day, camping doesn't give me the restitution I need. There is also a price to pay in terms of the opportunity to explore at your destination.

Setting and tearing camp, shopping groceries, cooking, doing dishes, personal hygene, laundry, drying out gear, regulating temperature, sleeping poorly, being cramped out, charging electronics... It all saps energy and time.

At my destination, I'm uneasy about leaving my gear behind - unlocked and unattended - so most often I stay put.

I only bring camping gear if there is a probability that I may be without any other options. In fact, I will rather ride several hours longer than planned to avoid pitching a tent. I do brin ag tent and sleeping gear on some trips, but for emergencies only, or for the odd chance where I really want to camp. I don't bring cooking gear food services are usually hard not to find on a long days ride. Even then, cold meals are ok sometimes also.

There are trips where camping is key to the experience - for me it is usually a shorter trip with two day camping in the same location - never a new camp every day. On these I bring all the creature comforts.

I get that people are on a budget - fortunately for me, my budget allows me other forms of accomodation as well as dining services. I respect tgat people enjoy camping as much as possible - it's just not for me when on motorcycle journeys.

I enjoy not having all that extra weight and clutter that camping gear involves - so I leave it at home and plan accordingly.

That about sums camping up !
You a dead right ................ after a long ride . who wants to start pitching a tent and all the faff that goes with it ............. give me a nice double bed with clean white sheets anytime

and .............. the next day you spend an hour trying to pack all of it away !

( tent icon ^^ ):eek3:

Hello

Camping allows you travelling in areas with no people and no hotels around for free.

Camping allows you travelling in areas with high prices for accomodation, usually there are campgrounds for $10-30, while hotels are in the 3 digits level.
Backpackers are good when you are young, but sharing a room with kids (18-30years) gets more difficult with age.

With good camping equipement that works for you, bad weather is less of a problem.

Areas with hotels for $10-30, have rarely nice campgrounds, so you really have to like camping to still do it.

In areas with hotels in the 3 digits level, camping is a no brainer, but if one doesn't like camping at all, take out the wallet.

4 weeks in Norway will have a different price tag than 4 weeks in Marocco, doing both the same way with hotels and restaurants.
But, you can do camping in Norway or hotels in Marocco for the same amount of money overall.


sushi

P.S.
With your own tent you don't have to worry about bed bugs and such...
More than once I put up my inner tent on a cheap hotelbed...

As a biker I would really look into ultra-lightweigt.

Small pack size, small weight

Unfortunately that is the most expensiv gear. :(

But all the basic gear, tent, mat, sleeping bag, cooker, pan, dishes would easily fit in a standard side bag - if cash $$$ isnt the point. On the other side you can easily stay 14 days in a 5 star hotel for that - but just once. :rolleyes2:

I think that's a trap. Much like an acquaintance of mine whose hobby was putting together the absolute lightest road bicycle he could. He'd gush about the new part he'd spent eighty euros on that saved fifteen grams off the bike's total weight! It's not the worst hobby to have of course, but he didn't care that all the savings totaled up came to less of a difference than the rider skipping breakfast.

I kind of started out that way when I was putting together my first camping bag. I still have the Coleman Biker sleeping bag - the vacuum-compressible stuff sack it came in was an absolute pain to deal with, and I was happy when it tore so I had the excuse to throw it out. I still use the sleeping bag, but just stuff it into the airbag that my sleeping mat came in.

My first sleeping mat folded down really small. But it was uncomfortable as hell. At some point I realized that if I can't get a good night's sleep, I simply will never choose to camp, and the whole rest of the setup makes no sense anyway - so I spent two hundred euros on what was, at the time, the absolute top-of-the-line thermarest. But it's not particularly small.

Ultralight backpackers will tell you to use your folded-up jacket as a pillow. Screw that, I loved the inflatable pillow I got at the Decathlon in Hong Kong.

This summer, my partner and I were doing a two-week road trip down the length of Norway, and she didn't really have any camping gear - only an oversized sleeping bag that she'd used for festivals and canoe trips. So she invested in a nice - not absolute best, but maybe third most expensive - Ferrino sleeping mat, and it's better than my thermarest. She got an inflatable pillow, and it's bigger and more comfy than mine. Part of our summer camping involved our 30+kg dog, so we got a nice big 3-person Coleman Festival tent with blackout windows and a separate "hallway" - it packs up only a tiny little bit larger than my old Darwin 2!

All of the stuff I listed in my post above, plus all of HER stuff, and the larger tent, fits into a single duffel that's larger than my drybag, but definitely still a reasonable size for me to put on my pillion. And since we were in a car, we could just leave the car at the trailhead and easily carry all the camping stuff a few hundred meters to a nice spot.

You're on a motorcycle - you're space- and weight-limited, but you're not THAT limited! In the world of camping gear, if you go for slightly above the absolute lowest weight and size, you get a MASSIVE comfort advantage. Gear that's maybe 15% bigger by volume will be 200% more comfy.

The thing about the ultralight absolutists, you have to remember, they are the sort of people who go on multi-day mountain trail runs, surviving on protein bars and dehydrated fruit skins, in the rain and snow, for fun. They are all confirmed masochists, and their camping setups reflect the fact that they derive pleasure out of their own suffering!