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E Mc G made reference to it on two occasions during LWD and I heard him make reference to it on BBC 5 Live during an interview. Chris |
He does refer to the conditions as being pretty hardcore first in Kazakstan and then again in Mongolia... I don't think he says "hey, we're hardcore" just that it is.
And hardcore is all relative, he'd hardly biked on the dirt before. I know the first time I biked on a bit of mud I thought I was hardcore too. |
It's getting like the Three Yorkshiremen on Monty Python in here:
"When I rode t' North Cape, Ah did it 'wi nowt but an F650 an a black and white GPS" "F650! Ah'd a thought a were in 'even on an F650. Ah did it on a C50 wi no tread ont back tyre an only a 2-pound book token for petrol" "C50! Ah pushed an Harley wi mi ole fam'ly ont back and square wheels......" :rofl: We've done this one before. You can't make a TV programme to a schedule with a risk that two front men and six crew will get stuck half way up the Amazon for a month until UPS and some customs clowns decide to deliver a spare widget. Hence you have fixers and spare bikes. I agree this makes it unrealistic and I agree Mondo Enduro was way better. It's like comparing a news reel with Saving Private Ryan though. The general public like stable shots and logical editing (ME is the best of it's kind but it's pure skill that it's watchable, it could have been real home movie stuff). Most BBC/Sky viewers don't notice that the bottom half of a Nazi tank is Russian or that one of the bikes changes for no apparent reason, but they will turn off when it ceases to make sense as to why finding a shiney thing it some drunken Russians hut is so good. I felt cheated too, but having read more I think EM and CB got cheated out of their trip too. As various people said at the start of this thread, lets hope they ditch the film crew and try it for real. Andy |
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I feel it is time to refer to this again -
YouTube - EWAN AND THINGY (EPISODE 1 of 9) PREPARATIONS and the other episodes in the series! |
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- I also hope for their sake, and to stop all the bickering they 'go it alone' They must read bits here and there, and must feel fed up that people are talking about them. It probably didn't turn out the way they wanted it to. I am sure they would not like that. This might be the push for them to decide to do it alone. I hope so, 'vette |
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well...I think that 'they' have done a lot to bring the 'sport' of adventure motorcycling to the fore.
Sometimes (and only sometimes!) my husband and I wish for the kind of support and sponsorship they, C&E, have had - but hey....they are famous and we are not. Its a no-brainer for sponsors! However, with sponsors and film crews come many many restirctions - the trip is not your own...and that is why most of us start these kind of travels. I hope they do the Long Way Up...and Across and...In and Out...blah blah...but for themsevles and get to do what they want and how they want. Thats the whole point surely. The restrictions placed on them due to support vehicles , film crew etc, must be infuriating. We have been flimed a few times and boy! its frustrating at times having to do the same piece of track over and over again so different shots can be taken - to worry and concentrate on the continuity rather than the riding is not something I like doing! My husband and I have had total and utter freedom (apart from constant cash worries and the restrictions that brings!) during our 6 years on the road. I hope C&E get to eventually enjoy one of their trips in the same way...remember initially they wanted to do this for the same reasons we all do - for their love of bikes and the desire to learn and see more of the World. ciao |
In the endless compasions with Mondo Enduro and LWR/D/U/I&O I wonder if people miss the fact they have/had different target audiences. E&C made their programmes for mass-market audiences with a pre-decided number of episodes, and that surely makes a difference to the presentation of their trips. They have to have a "crisis" to overcome each episode, a cliff-hanger to draw lazy viewers back the following week, so of course things will be portrayed as "hardcore" and "the toughest thing since I tried to get my marmalade open", without those then lazy channel hoppers will hop and advertisers won't advertise.
Unless we really reckon they trailered their bikes about between shoots then I'm sure they had a great experience, meeting locals, seeing the sights we long to see, falling off, tinkering in the workshop, all that stuff. It might not be your idea of adventure, but it still looked bloody good fun to me. |
In another thread a lot of people defined adventure motorcycling as driving outside your comfort zone. I have seen LWR and LWD and I think that’s exactly what they are doing.
I’m not a big fan of C+E but for me this bashing has no meaning, it’s just sad. |
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I don't agree with the point about TV needing proper organisation etc.
The lads from Mondo Enduro/Terra Circa did it all themselves....no fixers, no nothing. They filmed their own sequences and presented it in a way that made it clear that the trip was of primary importance and the filming/marketing was secondary. And in my opinion it made for a more interesting programme. It lets you see how it REALLY is when you undertake a difficult challenge. No airs or graces, they just got on with it. C+E had every opportunity to do this trip on their own. They weren't exactly stuck for a few quid, were they???? But they sold out to commercialism then had the cheek to gripe about the restrictions it placed upon them. If they were so disappointed about not getting KTM bikes for free to begin with then why didn't they go out and buy 2 of them?? Instead they reacted as if the world had collapsed around them with little chance of recovery. To me it all comes down to a pompous attitude that says, "We're famous. We want everything handed to us!" Chris |
It's no use, I'm going to get sucked in, I can feel it happening. I recently lent both LWR/D and Mondo Enduro to my dad to watch. He's not a biker, although he used to be in the 50's, he's not a traveller although he used to be in the 60's. He prefered E&C's efforts, so I asked him why.
His answer was that he felt the show was better produced, the camera work better directed and the quality higher. As he said Mondo Enduro is more like William Woollard's Top Gear, where content is what's important. LWR/D is like Jeremy Clarkson's Top Gear, well filmed, well produced TV, where style is as or more important than content. And that's the market E&C were aiming at, the mass TV watching market, not the people who do it and then get on this forum and others like it. We're more likely to be drawn into Mondo Enduro. Think of LWR/D as a taster, something to whet your appetite, a long weekend in the Lakes. Then once you've got the bug, found this forum you move on to Mondo Enduro, and plan your year-long tour of the planet. |
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