Grumpy thread
 

Well people on here are far too happy and what we need is a proper grumpy thread. I will start.

My FiL has COVID - he is 85 and has an underlying health condition so, whilst his chances are not great, they are not too bad at the moment.

When we first asked for a COVID test - on Christmas Eve IIRC - it was refused as he didn’t meet the three standard criteria despite being a typical fit for the way elderly people present their symptoms - sleepy and reduced appetite in my FiL’s case but also including confusion in other cases - in addition to the “normal” three symptoms (headache, fever, loss of taste / smell). The test was again refused on Christmas Day and early on Boxing Day. He was admitted last night and was finally tested then and lo and behold he tested positive.

So as a result he probably infected his wife who then went on to church on Christmas morning - I know that they were socially distanced but that just reduces the risk, it does not eliminate it. My family has also been exposed unnecessarily on Christmas Day - including my daughter who is an Health Care Assistant in the NHS and will now have to self isolate along with us - so costing the NHS an additional money to get cover in for her. But it is OK as they saved the cost of a test on Christmas Eve - twats.

The ineffective UK Test and Trace system is costing lives - hopefully not my FiL’s or MiL’s lives - because they are trying to penny pinch. Why this system is not being managed by professionals within the NHS - yes, looking at Dido Harding and the other the Tory cronies - for its management appointments process is utterly corrupt and this time corruption is costing lives again. I trust the NHS to get things right pretty quickly, this “service” is hampering the ability of the NHS to treat people early enough as they won’t test people unless they meet criteria that have been superseded months ago and when they do test they don’t get in contact with people quickly enough, if at all.

Sorry, I needed a rant and I can’t be bothered with Facepalm today.

Yeah, but we all went out every night in the summer and clapped for them, voted for this lot over the other even less palatable ones and got a day off for Christmas, so it must be fine :innocent:

I feel your pain and frustration and wish you and your family well. Absolutely Get it off your chest if it feels better and then go battle the lazy, penny pinching, arse covering idiots.

Andy

The Test and Trace service are not part of the NHS - they are a service that has been cobbled together by private companies, at a very significant cost (£22+ billion and rising) and by people with very direct links to the UK government. Cynical? Moi?

They have not been in contact with any of our family since the FiL tested positive - they have another 24 hours until they have failed to achieve their stated target of 48 hours. In reality I don’t expect a call to any of us. They have a target of contacting 80% of close contacts and normally achieve around 50% or less. they have never hit their target.

This evening I had a notification from the NHS Covid app that I have been in contact with someone who has the virus and that I need to self-isolate for two days until 23:59 on Monday 28 December (tomorrow).

This warning implies that the contact I had was on Friday 18 December so I suppose the person has either only just been tested, or has been waiting patiently for test results. In the meantime eight days have passed in which I could have passed the virus to my family.

I personally feel fine and will comply with the restrictions for tomorrow.

The way the app works, the NHS doesn't have a clue who I am, and that's just fine with me.

I wish I was surprised by this delay Tim but, sadly, I am not. That it was with the app is worrying as the impression is that as soon as the initial person identifies as being positive the alert goes out to all contacts immediately.

There is something wrong with the system that is built on very old versions of Excel - I really hope that the system improves dramatically but tracing is thought to be only truly effective when the infection numbers are significantly lower than they are in the UK now. Which makes the decision in March / April to abandon the system they had all the more unusual.

The systems that are in use by local authorities in the UK seem to be more efficient and rigorous than the national ones when they are given all of the available information - something they weren’t initially - but even with partial information they have consistently performed better than the very expensive contractors and government lacking that have been brought in - you have o wonder at the reasons for ring fencing the national system away from a co-ordinated effort by local authorities through something like the Local Government Association.

It's all super frustrating - here in Canada, there is a test and trace app - that only works in two provinces, and for everywhere else "they're working on it". So "we" are depending on people's memories of where they've been, and as a result our numbers are going way up.

And despite lots of things done right, they are still not mandating masks everywhere in public. Stupid. According to an article I read earlier today, those areas that locked down tight and early have by far done the best.

Waffling and cowardice are endemic in pollies, and the world suffers for a lack of vision.
We feel your pain, and sympathize with all who are suffering from this.

I mentioned this in another thread but I found it amazing how well Australian’s have done with managing Covid.

Being a country formed by Englands humanitarian flotsam we tend to be anti authority. But when it came to Covid we all kinda shut up and sucked up the mask and social distancing stuff straight away. Was a bit weird.

I think the only thing anyone can do is isolate, mask, disinfect and social distance. Avoid any knobhead not wearing a mask like a zombie from hell.

Be safe.

The whole UK track and trace system does seem to have taken its parentage from the old communist era joke - 'if you pretend to work. we'll pretend to pay you.' It's become more of a furlough substitute for the self employed than the essential third leg of the government's anti virus strategy milking stool (after masks+ lockdowns and vaccine development). You would think that with the virus turning up in around 30k new people per day tracing their contacts would be of prime importance, but I don't know of anybody who's been contacted by them. And, with a couple of people having contracted it and three others required to self isolate because of travel, (out of about 18 in our extended family) we should have been - multiple times. The system doesn't have any teeth and as people don't want to be tracked and traced 1984 style they're just ignoring it.

J-B, I hope it works out well for your FiL. Despite everything the odds are still on his side and the hospitals are getting better with knowing what works and what doesn't. My mid 80's in laws had much the same experience trying to get a test earlier in the year. They rang up after their son developed it and were told they'd be sent one in the post - it took a week to arrive and nearly two weeks to get a result after they sent it back - with a bug that works over a timescale of a couple of days. This is what happens when you try to combat biology with bureaucracy.

In hindsight, and as we know hindsight is 20:20, we should have acted differently. We should have lied about his symptoms to get him tested on Christmas Eve and then not gone to see him on Christmas Day. Clearly we should have ignored the government health line - not part of the NHS - and stayed away but we listened to them and went.

The self isolation is annoying but nothing we can’t handle but it is frustrating that the system that this government set up (after having dismantled the established system as we hadn’t used it in a while) seems determined to fail. BOB sums it up nicely - “ This is what happens when you try to combat biology with bureaucracy”.

That certainly seems to be both the external mythology of Australia and Australians' self-perception. But the more little details I hear, the more clear it becomes just how authoritarian and controlled life in Australia really is. There seems to be a culture of getting into your neighbors' business that seems rather surprising and pathological to me as an outsider, and I live in Mother Europe...

We think all Australians look like Chris Hemsworth. Turns out, most Australians look like Tim Minchin. :D

Dickhead.

I moved from UK to Australia & am happy with authority telling us what we should & should not be doing, that it why we have had only 900 deaths.

We have not been allowed to go overseas on holiday, makes perfect sense to me, everyone coming here has to go in to two week hotel quarantine (also makes perfect sense) when i was watching the English going on the two weeks holidays to Benidorm & i thought WTF??

Would rather have Scomo leading the nation than Bojo thank you very much.:thumbup1:

Mezo.

Do go on ....

Expand upon your “little details” of our controlled lives and meddling with our neighbours of which you speak.

The small bits were things told to me by Australians who moved here and were deliriously happy to be in society where one's business is presumed to be one's own. It's hard to put a specific finger on it - like proving a negative - situations where you're simply not required to justify yourself socially. I'll come back and quote some if I come across any specific examples.

This is, of course, not to say that Britain is a shining beacon of equality. ;) I'm not British and it's not Britain I'm comparing to.

The big bits, well, the most obvious one was that actually serious attempt to get a Great Australian Firewall that would ban internet pornography in the country. That was when I first thought to myself, This must not be quite the land of "a fair go" that I'd read about.

That must be the famous Australian sunny disposition. ;)

Vietnam has had 35 (and 4x the population of Australia), that doesn't mean I want to move there.

It becomes clear as time passes that there is a balance to be struck between freedom to socialise and freedom to live. Australia chose to support their vulnerable populations by restricting everyone to protect the vulnerable from, it would appear, the younger generation that want to party because the risk to them is lower. As a result Australia have had 900 deaths, the UK 70,000, Vietnam 35, America 250,000, New Zealand 25 deaths - it is a balance and I would suggest that America and the UK were at one end and New Zealand and Vietnam at the other with Australia towards the middle. No country has achieved freedom and low deaths.

I think that countries that have allowed more freedom have to acknowledge the decision and to analyse their actions sooner rather than later as there will be another pandemic and we need to learn.

One thing that is clear is that people in “the West” are generally dickheads as we have been too reluctant to wear face masks, socially distance, etc. - I include myself in that as we went to see my in-laws with a nagging doubt that they may have Covid, despite what the Test and Trace people said.

Well there are some pretty shite places where that may well happen though I haven’t experienced it. Some of our rural towns can be rather insular and everyone knows each other’s business. However, the major towns and cities have actually gone the other way; many people are isolated and lonely.

Funny story - back in the 1980’s I lived in a rural area and would spend the weekends doing what young blokes get up to. Mum knew everything I had been up to before I got home.

The porn filter was a short lived wet dream of a former religious prime minister that was put to death both politically and as the result of a teenager demonstrating how it could be bypassed. Australia has had a history of religious conservative movements which are thankfully rapidly diminishing.

There is a lot wrong in Oz, yet I stand by my earlier statement. We don’t like authority, and can smell bullshit a mile away, yet when its serious we go along with it. A good example would be the Port Arthur Massacre in the 90’s. A knob with an assault weapon killed a heap of people. Government said thats it, you don’t need guns, no more guns. And we mumbled and grumbled and went, “Yeah, fair cop.”. No more massacres.

:)

Jay
I think it comes down to People not liking being told what to do......I know my rights etc . Seems it's all me me me not us us us . We dont like being taxed and whine about it , hence our NHS bed capacity being way behind Germany as an example . We whined about cuts to our services due to being in serious debt , not saying I like spreadsheet Phil hammond but it certainly put money in the coffers for this predicament. I love my country but it does seem full of selfish dickheads as you say .

Report today of people getting test kits sent to them, deciding not to return their samples then getting positive results anyway .

A colleague of my wife returned from a family funeral in Malta and stayed at home for 14 days. The app recorded him in contact with someone 200 miles away on one of the days he spoke to tracers on his land line on day 6. No one had a clue what to do after their own records confirmed this trace was impossible he'd have needed a TARDIS. Basically just repeated "computer sez no" a lot.

I've deleted the app, can't afford a false positive.

Simple rule : if you want anything ontime, on cost and actually working don't let a government near it, especially the British government.

Andy

That's the reality of it for a lot of people - are you really going to ring to your minimum wage, hanging on by a thread job and say 'sorry, can't come in. app's just bleeped 14 days isolation.' Especially when it's the third time this month its done it and the consequences of ignoring it are zero. Until recently it wouldn't even run on my older phone. Ignorance, especially if you're feeling ok, is the more pragmatic response.

Re British characteristics - I blame the hippies. It was sometine in the 60's we changed from the old wartime 'do your bit' to the peace and love 'do your thing'. Collectivism was out and it's been individualism all the way since. Strange that the empire vanished into the dust around the same time ... :rofl:

WHAT!!!! The Empire has gone?

I would put it down to more recent times and “greed is good” promulgated by Thatcher in the 80’s - it meant everyone was out for themselves financially and that carried over to other aspects of life. The hippies were more egalitarian and community minded on the whole - obviously excluding Branson.

Spot on, and Thatcherism spread right around the world.

Mezo.

I suspect on a global level Thatcher working in concert with Reagan are much to blame as the mouthpieces for monetarism. as was said about some accountants “they know the price of everything, and the value of nothing”.

I reckon I might have an answer for my 'false warning'. According to the NHS website, "Close contact is based on an algorithm, but generally means you've been within 2 metres of someone with coronavirus for 15 minutes or more."

I have been ultra careful, but clearly I had been in the vicinity of someone with Covid which isn't difficult when more than 1 person in 1,000 is infected. I appreciate the proximity bit is difficult to measure, but what concerns me is the 15 minutes part which I couldn't relate to.

Our cleaning lady arrived at our house early Friday morning and although she had received a negative PCR test result, I was wearing a mask, and left the house almost immediately. She is now in Bulgaria for Christmas with no symptoms. I then went to Tesco where almost all my contact was merely aisle passing of less than 30 seconds, except in the self-scan checkout area where I was near others (whilst still wearing my mask) for maybe three or four minutes. I then went home.

But then I remembered that my wife had wanted me to use a Tesco Clubcard on the purchases as there were extra discounts. I couldn't find mine, so I spoke to a lady in customer services who passed me a leaflet on how to set up a clubcard online. I was near to her (though separated by a screen) for a couple of minutes max. I then left the store and sat in the car, downloaded the app, tried to register but was refused as I had already used the email address for my previous (lost) card. I tried again, and also tried guessing the password on the previous card. So after maybe ten minutes I went back inside, queued up again, and as 'luck' would have it, spoke to the same woman at customer services who rummaged around and gave me a phone number to call. I was probably near her for three minutes. If the Covid app measured the time from the first to the last interactions it would definitely have been over 15 minutes.

I was a great fan of the Apple/Google exposure notification initiative when it was first developed, but it becomes of less use if everyone is wearing masks.

Regardless of how u swing politics wise , people always want what they cant afford . If that was incorrect then Apple , Samsung , Ducati , Mercedes as examples wouldnt exist . PCP, Intrest only mortgages are totally mad financial propositions yet people take them on anyways . Western Europe is in a debt spiral, you can blame politicians and banks all u like but it's still people who day I'll have and I'll possibly pay for it later.

Alternatively, there is no limit to the size of any economy so long as we include none physical items. This site for example could double its number of posts, attract twice the number of advertisers, pay the owners more etc. The extra server space would be about the only physical drag.

Debt is just another product we create. A bank is selling you the fiction it has something to back up the note it wrote. So long as enough people believe that, they keep borrowing from Peter to pay Paul (and loaning the same to Dave, Chris and Ethel). The spin keeps spinning. When we don't believe, we fall back on further fiction like our belief one yellow metal will always be wanted by someone.

The relative values of goods is supply and demand, but supply can be restricted by the branding mentioned. People who believe an I-phone is better than a Waiwei will exchange more for it. A Georgian would have kept you in luxury for life for a machine that could add like a pocket calculator just because supply was zero, no waiting for an i-phone there. The seller would still spend his millions on almost inexhaustible resources like music because he could only eat so much.

If you believe this all ends up in a 1637 style Tulip bulb madness or efficient market stuff happens is beyond my pay grade, but I wouldn't fall for the all debt is bad plan.

Andy

That's it, the warning is a warning, nothing more. It's not like a positive test result where you're pretty sure you have been infected. But the thing is, the more people ignore that the more the virus will spread, especially the super-infectious version the UK's half-hearted containment results have selectively bred. I daresay fewer people would ignore it if there was some financial help for staying off work, but again HMG's response to supporting working people has had glaring holes in it and many of the self employed had to continue working or starve. People like taxi drivers, couriers and food delivery people, who don't come into contact with many others :thumbdown:

The history of the UK government in the pandemic has been one disaster after another, from locking down late and light the first time, to reopening too soon and too much, to not implementing an adequate second lockdown, to forcing schools and colleges to reopen as giant petri dishes, to introducing an ineffective "tiers" system, to ignoring their own rules and scientists, to failing to support many of the individuals and businesses affected, to issuing corrupt and ineffective orders for PPE and services to its cronies wasting billions in public money.

Johnson missed 5 of the crucial emergency cabinet meetings in the early stages, while ministers shipped thousands of "surplus" medical PPE items to China and told the British public they only needed to wash their hands while singing God Save the Queen, while other countries were locking down and their wards were filling. It was leaked from one meeting that government policy was "herd immunity, protect the economy and if a few old people die, too bad". Of course this was later denied but looking at the policies they have applied since then it would be hard to do a better job of getting people infected if they tried.

I'm under no impressions that Australia, German or Vietnam are the promised land, they all have their problems. But all of them have done a better job of handling the pandemic than Britain has. Johnson and his bunch of Old Etonian cronies have made the biggest ****up imaginable and not once had the good grace to apologise or one person to resign. Other countries have shown the pandemic can be managed down to low levels and controlled, all we hear in the UK is "this is unprecedented and they're doing the best they can". Well bullshit. When a school football team is losing 11-0 it's fair enough to say they're doing the best they can, this cuts no ice for the national government of a rich country when thousands are dying.

If there's one small ray of light, personally speaking, my wife is planning to travel to London for the birth of our first grandchild and to be safe, she went online and asked for a test. They didn't ask you to swear on a bible you had symptoms and she got a test 6 miles away at an hour's notice. We got the (negative) results back on Christmas Day morning.

Three wheels,
I agree not all debt is bad but stretching yourselves to the limit not taking into account possible future trends certainly is ........think we've gone slightly off topic :oops2:

Hi James

The economic outcomes will be very distinct. Individually, there will be many people whose lives are ruined by Covid, particularly small to medium enterprises and their employees.

Globally, the economy will most probably rebound incredibly once Covid is managed. I know that my retirement account grew by 8% in just three weeks in late Sep/early Nov. For those fortunate enough who could weather the storm, there is a lot of disposable income ready to be spent. Tourism in particular will go crazy. Here in Oz people are booking cruises for late 2021..... And some think motorcycle riders take risks. A floating petrie dish - no thanks :)

The effect on GDP due to covid deaths, and probably more importantly, covid disabilities, will be interesting to watch. The US and UK will probably have a falling GDP due to the ongoing effects of these people being taken out of the economy. The one thing countries like Oz and NZ benefitted from was properly shutting down their economies very early on - we took an initial hit, but the economic recovery will parrallel the projections pre covid, returning to them pretty fast. Those who didn't shut down fully, had less of a financial hit but the hit will take a lot longer and well into the decade or so to return.

As you say, stay safe.

In the UK the expectation is that the GDP hit will be around 3% in the long term. Just to put that in context, with the deal our “government” has achieved we are looking at a long term it of around 4%. We had the offer from the EU of delaying the transition date by a year but for purely political reasons “we” chose to drink from the poisoned chalice straight away so incurring a 7% hit to economy in one go. Still, a no-deal Brexit would have been around a 6-7% hit by itself.

The long term financial hit that the government took with the various Covid schemes it created has been a life line to many companies - mine included - but the money will have to be covered by IMHO, four things - tax increases, better tax collection by closing the multitude of loopholes, by investing in the country to reinvigorate the economy which to will lead to the fourth thing - higher inflation. The last one is the most contentious I suspect as inflation has always been seen as a bad thing but in this case it could have a benefit of effectively shrinking the debt over a number of years.

Inflation certainly seemed to work in the 1970's :rolleyes2:

Give it a couple of years until things begin to settle down and the economic numbers start to bounce back as people adapt to their new circumstances. Boris will be all over those, claiming the credit and saying it's Tory policies that are responsible for our new found 'prosperity'. Expect headlines like 'fastest growing economy in Europe', 'You've never had it so good' (nothing like dredging up a quote from a hardly remembered 'golden era') and 'the benefits of Brexit' (although I suspect the actual term is going to be dumped fairly rapidly). And then - surprise, surprise - it'll almost be election time.

Somewhere around that time there will be a soft focus article in some right wing glossy mag called 'The Man who Saved Britain'. It'll have a combination of magisterial formal portraits of Boris together with a few of him 'in the crisis' with his sleeves rolled up sitting at his desk surrounded by paperwork. It'll tell the 'story' of the pandemic and how Boris had to take all those difficult decisions to protect the health of the nation. Boris will walk tall from the pages, it'll be his Falklands, his Battle of Britain. Cometh the hour, cometh the man. Vote Boris in the Corona Election.

Oh God, I've seen too much of all this, been cynically manipulated too many times, been convinced that black is white (and the converse) by over promoted and under powered media and politicians and come to the conclusion that as actually managing the economy in the interests of the country is beyond the capacity of any individual or group, the best they can do is manage it in their own interests. Nothing changes. I'm sure economic improvements happen despite politicians, not because of them. All they seem to have the power to do is wreck things. I just hope my and my wife's pension plans are not among them. They will be if Boris inflates his way out of trouble.

And so endeth the daily rant, taken today from St Cynic's epistle to the Downtrodden, verse 666.

I’m not sure you have fully bought into the government’s philosophy yet. I detect a whiff of suspicion about the honesty and motives of politicians.

However, I suspect that you are right when you say that economic improvements happen despite the politicians - the one thing that always worries me when I think like that though is the effects of unfettered capitalism on the environment and people - the rich always seem to get much richer, the poor poorer, and the environment suffers in the short and long term.

Like it or not without the rich entrepreneurs most of us wouldnt have a job . Doesnt mean they are all nice ladies or gents mind.....Phillip Green comes to mind for some reason. I used to chauffeur the rich and famous around the country , many were very nice people and were a pleasure to be in the company of , others not so . They were definitely all driven and couldn't take their foot off the gas , as for holidays and families, let's just say I'm glad its them doing it and not me .
Have to say after four years of being in that world its definitely not for me , dont care how money or how big the houses are...........

Look-up Pareto Distribution which explains the natural trend that a large portion of wealth is held by a small fraction of the population. The Theory even has the attributed scientific formula of: F(x) = 1 – (k/x)α

It is the Natural Law of Economics, which cannot be avoided – not even (especially) by any political socialist ideology.

The psychologist, Prof Jordan Peterson, has a good stab at explaining the phenomenon here: The Scary Truth About Success & Wealth Distribution

Happy New Year!
bier

Getting almost back to what this site is supposed to be about, has anyone visited a place with a planned or otherwise mucked about with economy that was doing well?

My first ever motorcycle trip was to the DDR. It was as close as you could get to time travel, 1953 in 1989.

I'd rather have the 80/20 rule applied to US levels of wealth than go 50/50 on East Germany's (not that it happened, you just got the 80 by playing a different game).

I work with a lot of "achievers".Company CEO's and occasionally politicians. Some are nice, some less so. Some are hacked off they will be the richest men in the cemetery, some enjoy what I call work and would do it for free, some have achievable plans where they will get to tell people where to shove the keys to the executive washroom and go live on their vineyards with their horses and record collections.

Regardless of views, best wishes for a happy and safe new year.

Andy

Three wheels.....yup that sounds pretty much like my old clientele. Best quote I ever heard was from a football chairman I drove around.....socialism is a great idea as long as someone else pays for it . Personally I'm happy being in the rank and file......I wouldn't be prepared to risk all to be super rich . Cant spend what I've got anyways .

Neither can I. Fortunately I am married so that takes care of that. (To be fair to her she earns more than me at the moment).

Ha same here too , not always the case though . Still she is the financial brains not me.......fortunately she love to travel and as long as it has a roof or part of then that's ok to sleep in . Our last trip away.....remember those ....involved the back roads of Bosnia, it meant longer in the saddle but she loved it . Still prefers to fly to the nearest airport mind ..... pretty good compromise imho .

SWMBO here is not keen on riding pillion on a motorbike and has no desire to travel alongside me on her own bike - she would have to learn to start with. However, I suspect she will, along with the kids, join me at interesting places like Petra, Egypt, Zambia, Malawi etc.

Or a misquote from Thatcher: “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” The irony being that her deregulation of the banks led to the 2008 crash, where a few people got very rich at the expense of the rest of us who paid for it. And the present crisis, under a government that is definitely not socialist, where the UK National Debt has risen to its highest ever peacetime level, having increased daily since they took over from Labour. Oops.

Capitalism: A few are very rich, everybody else is poor.
Communism: Nobody is rich, everybody is poor, but nobody starves.
Socialism: A few are quite wealthy, but nobody is poor.

Capitalism in Monty Python speak:

Peasant 1: Who's that there?
Peasant 2: I don't know... Must be a king...
Peasant 1: Why?
Peasant 2: He hasn't got shit all over him.

Alternatively these definitions cover the complete economic spectrum. If anyone's having a bad afternoon I'll mention they're posted for their humour content not their political orthodoxy.


Communism: You have two cows. The government takes both of them and gives you part of the milk.

Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.

Fascism: You have two cows. The government takes both cows and sells you the milk.

Nazism: You have two cows. The government takes both your cows, then shoots you.

Bureaucracy: You have two cows. The government takes both of them, shoots one, milks the other, then pours the milk down the drain.

Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one of them and buy a bull.


There's an expanded version of two cow ideologies in the link below if you're desperate to know the difference between, for example, American Corporate Capitalism and British Representative Democracy -

WORLD IDEOLOGIES EXPLAINED BY REFERENCE TO COWS

The article missed the Kulakisation under Stalin.

You have two cows - you are a Kulak and must be killed.
You kill your cows - you are no longer a Kulak, but starve to death.

doh

I have lost a pair of glasses that I had just repaired. They are either in the garden buried under a load of logs or in the pile of debris waiting to be burnt - or in the house having been put “somewhere safe” or in the workshop. I really hope they aren’t in the workshop as it is going to be harder to find them than either the garden or house - not that my workshop is disorganised, much.....

Due to realising more and mor that I am forgetful as time goes on - not senile, just realising that for important stuff I am forgetful but trivia I have a great memory - I have a couple of spare pairs. I am looking again at laser surgery or lens replacement but I don’t like the cost benefit ratio enough at the moment to go fo it.

Hurumph.