after my dead body I'd take it - as I said no need for such vaccinates same as for flue etc, building you immune system is the key no shots. doh

That's your decision; good luck with it.

Tell me more - how do I build my immune system? What do I need to do - eat stuff?, exercise?, drugs?, prayers? How do you do it, what’s the secret? I only ask as I’m sick and tired of hiding away in lockdown knowing that my immune system doesn’t have a chance if the bug comes along. If there’s an easy way to supercharge it to the level where the bug bounces off you’ve got to share it. :thumbup1:

I think it's called a vaccine... doh

No worries, mate.
Step aside, I'll have your's.

And more in the pipeline, which will be easier to distribute and cheaper. :) Just read an interview with a professor of genetics here at University of Tartu, whose team has been developing vaccine candidates for an Indian pharmaceutical manufacturer (India has a good history of making affordable generic versions of medicines). So yeah, by Summer of 2021 things ought to be much better.

I don't think this will be a "winner take all" race, nor should it be. The Oxford vaccine can cover the needs of places with poorer infrastructures, while as a First World citizen, I am happy enough to pay a hundred euros for the Pfizer vaccine tomorrow instead of ten euros for an Oxford vaccine in three months.

Has Covid disruption made Overlanding exciting again ?
 

Just to jump in on the vaccine debate, I have been vaccinated against cholera, smallpox, polio, TB, tetanus, Typhoid, various types of Hepatitis, Flu and probably more than I remember.

Apart from a sore arm I have not suffered from either side effects or any of the diseases mentioned.

In order to travel in the 1970s, outside of a western bubble ,you had to carry a vaccination certificate, and depending on where you were in the world you normally had to have cholera and smallpox and South America and Africa added yellow fever to the mix. If you turned up at a border without the right certificate you were given the option of getting a vaccination at the border, expensive with the real possibility of a blunt dirty needle, so people had their jabs in time.

I would see that one way of opening up travel post COVID vaccinations will be by means of a vaccination certificate, but maybe this requires too much cooperation in a post Trumpian world.

Charles
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Sad to see antivaxxer and convid comments starting to appear on what is a travel forums populated by open minded travellers. Better to keep that stuff on Social Media

Back on topic, travellers are still out there travelling, with new challenges. Lots of reports from those on the road enjoying normally crowded tourist sites without the crowds.

We will see restrictions on borders and travel progressively ease up over the coming months as vaccines and controls measures get agreed. Travel might not be quite the same as recent years but there still a world out there to explore

Forsythia is what you need, no need for a vaccine bier

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I use snake oil. It has never let me down. Obviously it has helped that I don’t know anyone that has had TB, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria etc. since they were virtually eradicated by vaccines - but I swear it is the snake oil.

http://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/syndicated/people-believed-covid-19-hoax-now-buy-homeopathic-cure-forsythia/

A slightly-longer memory helps (although who am I to interfere with your snake oil consumption?). I've had mumps and measles, and took the cure for latent TB. Friends just a few years older than me had polio, and some now have post-polio syndrome. I'm glad my mom didn't contract rubella, take thalidomide, or drink or smoke while carrying my incipient self.

I absolutely love the flu vaccine, which has saved me untold days of serious suffering since it became popular in the eighties and nineties, before which I used to lose a week each winter to high fevers, body aches and lingering malaise. I love pneumonia vaccines too, and have seen enough people with shingles so that I raced to get each of the available vaccinations as soon as they were available. I've had jabs to prevent hepatitis, and therefore haven't seen my eyes turn yellow or had to refrain from alcohol for 6 months following major journeys like my friends who traveled on budgets in the seventies.

I've also taken cures for giardiasis, amoebic dysentery, and malaria, and have availed myself of highly-efficient antibiotics on any number of occasions. What's not to like about modern medicine...I mean, aside from certain well-known shortcomings, about which I complain as loudly as anyone? A hundred years ago my life expectancy in the US would have hovered around 48, but here I am chafing at restrictions which prevent my next major motorcycle journey at age 65, hoping for another 15 or 20 years before one pandemic or another brings me down.

Kind've weird to condemn modern medicine while reaping so many of the benefits, I'd say. With luck, we'll see each other somewhere down the road.

Mark

Well, vaccination passports are already a fairly universal thing. I got one originally when having a bunch of shots done for South America, took it with me to South East Asia too. Encoding the relevant information on the biometrics in your passport should be relatively trivial - the world has agreed on a universal specification for biometric passports already, after all!

Oh, you've not heard about the little blue pill? Turns shortcomings into... um. :innocent:

Vaccination passports ala Yellow Fever cards make complete sense, especially if it can be electronically on your passport, with date and result. I'd go for that. People who don't have a passport will have an issue but they don't travel anyway. :)