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As controversial as ta-rider is/was, I tended to appreciate his posts. The world of moto-adventure is a pretty big one, and there's plenty of room for all kinds of riders and all kinds of budgets.
I'll never be a Charley & Ewan expeditionist on a $25 grand motorcycle, but on the other hand ta-rider's shoestring and baling wire approach was a tad too cheap even for me - as I get older I find my aging bones appreciate a comfy bed and a dry roof at the end of a long day of riding. Good for ta-rider though, for proving that a young person with lots of drive but little money can still go on a great adventure. |
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Maybe all this is a good opportunity to think long term: One day Grant and Susan will decide to stop managing the website for various reasons. Having a new model to keep this website going is a good idea! Patrick |
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In terms of paying for access to a library, I can't say I agree with that. The information that I share, and many many others share, is not meant to be exclusive to paying members. It's not a private club. But, I fully acknowledge that it takes money to keep the lights on...otherwise the library shuts down. The rates here are not unreasonable, not even close. Heck, I'll spend much more than $20 at the bar on a Thursday night. $20 for a year's membership is a drop in the bucket. |
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If everybody visiting the website would offer a drink to Grant and Susan per year by paypal, we would not have this discussion. Patrick |
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Simply straying slightly off topic can bring a rebuke and not so subtle put downs. Even if offering opinions ON topic, a certain mod will find fault and attempt to discredit the member and "warn" the forum against believing anything this member has posted. Trust me, Docsherlock is correct. |
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I think it's time for me to stop Brainstorming. Patrick |
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I agree. Even though sometimes Toby is less than clear and he can be a bit of a pedant, (partly a function of language barrier), his comments can sometimes come off as offensive. Is that against HUBB rules? Toby is a legit veteran traveler with more years and miles than most. He is of the super budget variety. Not for everyone of course. But I can appreciate his perspectives even though I don't follow his guidelines. Takes all kinds ... and good ideas can come from anywhere. Austin Vince is (or was?) against big money commercializing of ADV Travel, yet we don't see him banned or even questioned. Austin frequently makes cruel jokes at expense of the monied GS crowd, Ewan and Charlie et al ... yet no one comes after him. (Austin's film pedigree aides his world wide credibility) In fact, if you've read Toby's posts for a long time, you can actually see similarities between Austin and Toby. The difference is Austin makes it all very humorous ... where Toby can be a little "too German" at times. doh All to say it may be up to some interpretation. |
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The nice thing about that is that instead of using the forum's search facility, you can search HUBB using Google—even for three letter terms not normally allowed. So try typing site:horizonsunlimited.com tr6 and see what comes up! ________________ Someone wrote about mods banning people because they disagree with their point of view. This doesn't happen. The mods are quick to ban spammers, but it's rare to ban genuine bikers and any potential ban is fully discussed in the moderators' forum before it happens. I've just gone back over the posts in the mods forum and in the last two years since April 2016 there have been 22 infractions (warnings) and two banned—xfiltrate and now ta-rider. Most of the 22 infractions were for being rude or abusive to other forum users. |
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I had this same discussion with my students today. It's all about tone and connotation. Because of the format here, voiceless written text, it can be sometimes impossible to detect sarcasm or the true meaning of what someone is saying. So you need to think about what you type before you click the post button. It only further drives the point of Grant's earlier post. Don't be a dick. It's as simple as that. |
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Thanks for giving us some insite into the moderation/banning process. I enjoyed(although probably disagreed with) many of ta-riders and xfiltrates comments, and I can't imagine this site without mollydog. Having said that, I see that banning is not done without a lot of thought. Tim, I followed your advice and was rewarded. I think I am going to have to buy Paul Pratt's book. |
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Since someone works his ass to offer & organise something (like Grant & Susan), puts a price tag & has an accountant, for me its a product or a service so its a business which has risks, profits & of course losses. And have my respect. After all, too much criticism & too much assumptions my friend.. Why? Because we disagree? |
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Moderators have expressed to me in response to this that they are open to "moderation" and adjustment as needed in their own posts. Remember, they are human and can get annoyed just like all of us. At the same time they are very aware that whatever they post reflects on HU too. If you want it private, not for all moderators to see, send me a PM or an email, and I'll get back to you as quickly as possible. Can't always be fast - for instance today was a doctors visit in town - good news, the cancer is sitting still and behaving, so I'm good for a long time yet. Quote:
See the thread about this - a second thread opened by Cholo in website feedback: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...978#post583819 Upgrades done through the Subscription system are instant. :) AND a BIG thank you to Cholo for his Lifetime Membership, we're extremely gratified to see that kind of support. Keeps us working :) For the record, I'm 69. Ride carefully? Usually... ;) A "succession plan" is something we talk about often, if anyone is interested in anything in this area let me know. At some point in the not too far distant future we want to travel some more ourselves. :) Quote:
As for time to read posts, no, I have none unless it's brought to my attention. We both work 7 days, 8 hours minimum often more, just trying to keep up, we read what we must, and trust the community and the mods to keep it civil, supportive, helpful and productive for all. I hope all that makes sense! |
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We are facilitators and sometimes educators, but you guys are the ones on the road with the latest up-to-date information, information I couldn't possibly collect if I spent a lifetime on the road, as it's out-of-date in such a short time! What we need to be able to do what we do is memberships, advertisers, and people buying our Achievable Dream series, calendars, and coming to events both as participants but also as presenters to pass on their knowledge. For those who don't understand what it takes to run a site of this size and complexity, (I know some people think we have real jobs and this is a hobby!) it's FULL time plus for me since 1998, Susan also since 2009, and Grace part-time for the last three years, plus we have "contract" people to do the graphics, video editing and coding for site upgrades. We SHOULD do a lot more than we do, (I have a list of about a million things to do) and a whole lot of things would be a lot better than they are, but there just isn't enough money to pay the bills to do that, or the time, so we just do what we can, when we can. Progress is being made, slowly, not always visibly, but progress is made. :) In the end, HU has to do more than cover it's costs, it has to pay our rent, our food, and eventually our retirement, although it will be somewhere cheap and warm! :) |
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