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In the news today
This is a thread that I see on another forum I frequent - it is a combination of news about the forum subject (in the other forum's case scuba diving) and also news that makes people laugh - normally it seems to be court cases where someone has been really dumb.
A report from the BBC about Overland Expo - West giving a pretty good write up of what it is about: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48405631 |
I agree with the old man. Although I must say, being of the current generation also means that the home situation has also been easier (higher income, better understanding of community at home) so that the likelihood of us going to travel was also bigger.
I don't like the whole American thing where it became a marketing term which allows companies to sell lots of stuff that people barely need. Especially in the US it is so simple, just buy one of the many available 4x4s, sleep in the back or buy a rooftent, and just go. |
Something to do on your travels:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/111199741/whale-almost-eats-diver-off-south-africa-coast |
Something to see in Barcelona now has a building permit. Only 137 years late.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-48571086 |
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I can understand why they've become so popular in recent years - they're a kind of wish list door out of the rat race with many people muttering 'one day, one day' as they stare at the rows of quasi military turnkey travel 'solutions', but for me the expos and the whole world of overland businesses have an element of corporate flypaper about them. If you buzz around the travel world for long enough then sooner or later you'll stick to it. When travel is reduced to merely flitting from one overland event to another it really has lost its point. |
It also ties in to the other thread about how much you would spend on an Overland Special version of your bike. As times goes on I am happier with the decision I made some time ago to prepare my own bike for my trip so that I get to know it better, the weak points etc so that I can address them before the trip (eg make my own panniers to allow me to fit a small solar panel to each one etc). Your comments pretty well reflect my own.
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What I don't understand is - why does it bother you that someone else is having a different experience? :P
Yeah, much of the branded overland stuff is unneccessary. So don't use it. Grab your Sports Direct discount tent, go out and have an adventure, enjoy your own life, don't worry about someone else ruining the "purity" of what you think is Your Thing. |
No it is not "my" thing. And if the publicity gets people to step out of the rat race and enjoy travelling, that is great.
However, I feel like it is just another rat race if you only take it out for the weekends or small holidays, spent your money on a 4x4 but then spend even more on the stuff you put on it. For all of that, you need to make more money or at least keep working just as hard as you did before getting into this hobby of overlanding :P I guess for many it becomes like a bucket list thing (so far not a problem) that is another expensive hobby that they are trying to squeeze into a working life. In small parts. Doing it in small parts with expensive trucks with expensive goodies makes it very expensive. Let me be clear that I'm jealous of the awesome nature that is for many Americans their backyard so to speak. Here in Western Europe, it is not so much raw nature, and if it is present, you can't go wheeling through it. So I always need to travel at least 1000km for some nice offroading in the mountains or so. Let me also be clear, that to me overlanding is something else than having a overprepared 4x4 and basically just going offroading and camping for short holidays. To me, it seems just like offroading and camping trips, nothing more. Anyway, it is also a commercial event. I prefer the meetings that we have locally, that are not commercial at all. Then you can tell people the opposite. As in, that your old simple beat up van is already good enough for most of the roads in Asia for example. (I had this discussion recently, somebody thought he needed a really good 4x4 with all the costs etc) |
Fresh from News Thump.
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https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/06/26/inenglish/1561561148_759643.html
Sometimes people don’t think through their actions. |
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Nothing needs to be said except "where is your helmet sir?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgH6...cMgvyrq7o5AYlg |
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Police are after some support because they have nothing to go on.
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/17...enheim-palace/ |
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I haven’t seen this referenced anywhere else so have a look at the article about Charlie Boorman and Ewan McGregor’s latest jaunt:
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/long-way-up-tv-/ |
Now, whilst this isn’t strictly a travelling by motorbike article but specifically a Harley article there is an interesting aspect that does affect us - that of the changing demographics of motorcyclists in the west mainly. The reason for the fall in sales of Harley has been put down, in part, to younger people not taking up riding and older people, well, getting older.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/money/...er/4908382002/ This is true across all brands and looking at the price of bikes from the major companies I can see that continuing as the prices are close to prohibitively expensive for younger riders. My gut feeling is that the younger riders aren’t getting involved for other reasons as well including the pay back time for investment in training - we insist that they spend ages getting trained but are the results worth it for them, will they get quicker gratification from other pastimes? This is not a uniquely motorcycle situation, I am a scuba diver and there are fewer young people getting involved and going though the training. As a member of dive club I can see that we have taken great steps to attract younger people into the sport and these have paid off and we now have a far younger demographic than we did, say, ten years ago. As an organised sport we have also made advances nationally through the British Sub Aqua Club and there are now more young people entering than there were some years ago - but these advances were made by an organisation in a reasonably structured manner. Sadly I don’t know of an equivalent motorcycle organisation that can do the same sort of thing for motorcycling - perhaps I am overly pessimistic - I would be very happy to be proven wrong. |
No peer reviewed research just my observations as an all year round biker in the uk.
The fastest growing bike style sector must be the adventure section. The touring section remains buoyant. Sports bikes and cruisers are not as prevalent as they were. Up until about 10 years ago the amount of bikes queuing for a ferry were half a dozen, then things changed, now there could be over a hundred bikes on a ferry heading for Spain. Despite what people write on social media, it seems to me, that the journey has become more important than the bike and the journey has become, at the least a tour, if not a major trip. Young people are spending money on trips rather than bikes and cruisers are just not practical. Secondly image is a huge factor in riding a motorcycle and your typical HA Harley rider is just not fashionable. Anyone that may have been swayed by that image in the past is now a hipster - there are loads of young people at hipster style rallies. Looks to me like Harley have been relying on past glories and took their eye off the ball - they could have jumped on the back of the hipster movement and sold a load of bikes - look at BMW and Triumph. |
My niece's boyfriend rides a 125 Duke on learner plates, but has little or no intention of taking his full test - he is saving up for car lessons which will make him more employable. Getting a full bike licence is too expensive a luxury, and sooo much hassle now. CBT, Mod 1, Mod 2 plus the theory plus lessons. Hassle and expense must put many young folks off.
The TRF are trying to introduce youth training schemes for road and trail. Is MAG or any other organisation doing anything? |
I didn’t now about the TRF initiative - that is interesting and I will have a look into it - my attempts at luring my kids into bikes have, to date, been unsuccessful. SWMBO started riding lessons when we first met and took her CBT but didn’t get around to taking her part 2 so now the CBT has expired.
I was hopeful that the introduction of the theory side for car drivers would make the steps to the full bike licence seem less intimidating but, alas, it appears not. Interesting to hear that the number of adventure bikes going on trips has risen. -on my only trip abroad I was the only bike going to Spain and one of three I think coming back - but that was some time ago. |
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Where do motorcycles fit into that? They don't. I do occasional work for a company carrying out government traffic surveys and Mon-Fri the percentage of motorcycles showing up in the statistics is close to zero. In the summer it's not unusual to see more council mowing machines than motorcycles. Bike numbers rise at the weekends but that's the leisure market not the daily commute. With the exception of a small number of 'student' scooters and Deliveroo fast food bikes motorcycles don't have much to do with the workaday world. I think I was lucky to get my licence back when the test was drive round the block and don't knock the examiner over. When I look at what's involved these days I don't think I'd bother - and that's the conclusion both my 20 something kids have come to. It's not worth the effort to get a licence for something that's purely a leisure activity. It's not as if the pleasures of biking have passed them by - my son uses an electric bicycle he built himself for his daily commute for example, but the obstacles in the way of having a petrol engine power that bike are not worth it. Making obtaining a motorcycle licence a task of labyrinthine complexity - and thereby putting the less determined off - has pretty obviously been government policy for some time. They can't really just ban bikes but they can - and have - put so many obstacles in the way in the expectation that riding will eventually die on the vine. Some people - the more enthusiastic or determined or just old (covering most of us here I suspect) will find a way through but it's the population of casual riders that's been culled by the regulations. Nobody needs a motorcycle these days. They may want one but that's a different matter. |
Made me laugh about not hitting the examiner :laugh. A friend of mine was taking his test and the examiner stepped out in front of the wrong bike, when my mate came round the corner the examiner was laying in the road with a crowd round him
When I started biking in the early 80s lots took the test (easy and cheap) but most abandoned biking not much later for a car. Of course when they had some disposable income years later they had their license so it was easy to take up again - that won’t happen now. The biggest population now taking up biking are women - not so many younger ones though - but it’s still a growing market for the motorcycle industry. They also want to go adventuring - 20 years ago my wife was a bit of a novelty riding a bike around Europe, not any more :mchappy: |
LOL Examiner not too observant! When my bro took his test, he got lost before he reached the examiner's hideout, but made it back to the test centre withi time and unscathed so they gave him the pass! He spent his early years commuting on a chicken chaser (C50) on mud/cowsh1t soaked and frequently icy back lanes. It taught him skills not only to keep upright, and recognize dangerous surfaces, but also how to fall off relatively painlessly (something to do with starting the dismount early I believe) Anyway, he's a much more gifted rider than I. The git.
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In the UK there has been a complete shit storm (that is a technical term so clearly annoy be offensive) about the exam system that was thrown into chaos by Covid-19 - essentially the exams were all cancelled. The organisation and government have just relented to massive public pressure to give the pupils the award that the teachers thought they would get. You will get the idea from this BBC news article:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53810655 I was wondering what has happened to the exam systems around the world. |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54290245
I’m not sure that this will affect too many travellers but it may fact some. |
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Many factors IMHO.
The whole Brando-Easy Rider thing is cool amongst a 75-dead demographic, comical to the 35-55's, just weird to a 20-something Indian. The prices are crazy I'd bet thet did not approach the market as a new entry but as "stop everything we're here now"? A high end Classical style in India looks like it came from Birmingham (Warwickshire) in 1960. One thing I don't get is why Livewire isn't a stand alone brand. You can't have ecologically conscious customers greeted by someone called Cletus and offered a 1200cc V-Twin with open pipes. That's how they killed Buell. They are also withdrawing a lot of models in Europe that can't be made to perform to Euro 5. All the 750's, the 883 and some of the 1200's. Andy |
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Not news as such as the report is from May 2020 but very pertinent to the HUBB inhabitants - well the four wheeleed variety at least - it would appear that 2 wheels is not an option....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-52790108 |
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54544467 |
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The lack of reference to the two wheeled world makes me wonder if any of the news channels are aware that people travel the world on motorbikes and bikes. |
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I do have to say it's perhaps not the best advertising for electric motorcycles, as they're shown constantly struggling to spend hours getting the bikes charged up every 100 miles. Watching the videos has convinced me of two things: a) I want more than ever to go riding through South America, and b) it will NOT be on an electric motorcycle... |
I can't even get our posh battery vacuum cleaner to last long enough to clean the house without running out of charge. The tech is going to have to improve quite considerably before I head off into the wilds on an electric bike. I need the bike to serve me, not the other way round.
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Nothing whatsoever to do with travelling but an example of stupidity.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-54760265 |
I’m not entirely sure that this is a serious publication:
https://newsthump.com/2020/11/02/don...argest-number/ |
Ah, it is a serious publication:
https://newsthump.com/2020/11/02/boris-johnson-will-not-take-part-in-movember-despite-successful-ineptember-and-cocktober/ |
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180mph - shorts, t-shirt and not too much fuel - I mean, what could go wrong:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-55079524 This guy is probably not going to be doing a speed awareness course. |
A worrying update from an earlier news item about the couple who have been living and travelling in their van for the last six years.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-55118130 |
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Well, it has been said many, many times that we shouldn't ride at night. And here is an example of why - spoiler alert - it ends reasonably happily.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-55409319 |
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The resurrection of BSA and Norton is underway to rejoin Royal Enfield (who never left this mortal coil) and Triumph (who did).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54997191 |
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none left soon !!
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Now I know that this isn’t motorcycle / car / truck / Winnibagel related but it is travel related and could be the start or finish of an adventure and it is one I have added to my bucket list so here you go:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55494146 |
HU is well respected and open to all regardless of mode of land transport - I can see the pressure building in the future for Grant and Susan to amend the description in the section on the light four wheeled tech section. I think this guy may need some assistance at some point in the future when he restarts his trip - and perhaps more importantly before he restarts:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-55564654 The amendment could look like this - Tech issues, tips and hints, prepping for travel Under 3500kg vehicles, e.g. Land Cruiser, Land Rover, Subaru, mobility scooter, etc. |
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I must admit I initially thought 'it takes all sorts' when I first saw the news report, but on reflection I do remember people doing the same thing on equally unsuitable modes of transport. Some of them were even covered here. Anyone remember this -
Voyage en Mobylette I've no idea what speed the buggy 'cruises' at but if it's much slower than a Mobylette he'd be quicker walking. Maybe the problem is that the moped looks vaguely like a motorcycle whereas the invalid buggy looks like, well, he's just escaped from a care home. It's going to stand out to the cops. Having said that I'd sooner him than me going on some (or any) of the US interstates on something like that. :thumbdown: |
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And if he were to fall off thus attired, it would be "wears your helmet, sir". To which he would reply "yes, it did rather". |
Just goes to show there are all different types of Adventure bike to travel on !
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Here is someone having an adventure during lockdown in the UK - you don't have to go far to have an adventure.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-56436100 |
Warwick University have developed an electric race bike using a Norton race frame.
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/norton-motorcycles-university-warwick-students-20937708 |
A recent BBC report on the missing traveller Esther Dingley:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-57818035 |
It looks like the UK are set to ban petrol engined motorbikes from 2035.
https://www.ukclubsport.com/uk-gov-confirms-ban-on-new-petrol-motorcycle-sales-from-2035/?fbclid=IwAR2XrJfgKdRDgDG7Th8vRnp-S_2qQsKGXHqm-b12mwtzxuDyHV5eYmt2D2Y |
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The rumanian motorbike adventurer, v-logger and avid bike reviewer Cristian Predoi has died in a bike accident….
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2611...8401456015423/ |
Not good news sadly, there has been a development in the Esther Dingley disapperance with the finding of a single bone:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-58022860 |
Someone making the most of their time - an adventure with a purpose.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-58229967 Good to see that his adventure bike has a screen and has a rack for luggage. I wonder if he will go for hard or soft luggage. |
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If he does progress updates on social media I wonder how many of them will get through the language filters. Life must really sh*t (a village in Lincolnshire :rofl:) if you live there. |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-58244518
What can I say? He managed to take up a space on an evacuation plane that could have gone to someone that didn't deliberately put themselves in peril. I understand the desire to go to unusual places and that we sometimes ignore the warnings on the Foreign and Commonwealth Office but this was, IMHO, utter stupidity and as a result someone was unable to get a seat on the evacuation plane because he was given it. Hopefully that person will get through it OK. |
It’s not every day that you come across a temple to a Royal Enfield Bullet.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-59036542 |
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I'll leave it to someone else to say their bike has been like that for years ... |
I accept that this is not really part of the routine Horizons Unlimited means of transport but people are still travelling around the world. My only criticism is that she went too quickly to smell the coffee. Fair play to her though, she took on a big challenge from a technical, bureaucratic and skills perspective and overcame all of the obstacles in her path.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-59899980 |
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Tempted though I was to put this in the “Whick Bike” section I have refrained.
Anyway, this will get you to the remote places that most bike can’t easily get to. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60333565 I suspect that this is essentially the manned version of a drone and on significant amounts of steroids. Could be fun, if somewhat expensive. |
Yes, I saw that on another site (can't remember which), but the picture is more 'serving suggestion' than the 'professional rider pictured' that you get on brochures. I think it's still in development and the Mk1 version will come with a gun mounted in the front as it's Special Forces that seem to be particularly enthusiastic.
The requirement was that anyone could learn to ride it in 10 mins so there's a lot of A.I. 'under the hood'. Having said that, if it went on anything like public sale they would sell every one they could make - but instead of planting trees as carbon offset they'd need to hand out 1000 pairs of ear defenders for the purchaser's neighbours. :rofl: |
The former Norton owner has been sentenced but I am amazed at how lenient this sentence is. A suspended sentence for robbing £11,000,000 from people’s pensions? I feel a complaint coming on to try to trigger a sentence review.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-60417156 |
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Chinese motorcyclists helping firemen fight forest fire:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-china-62770119 |
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Well, this has the potential to be very positive for the world. An effective vaccine against malaria:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62797776 https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2022-09-08-malaria-booster-vaccine-continues-meet-who-specified-75-efficacy-goal |
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There was recently a police motorbike accident on a UK motorway. The rider was injured but it would appear that he was saved from more serious injury by air bags in his clothing. More information here.
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A UK resident on an extended holiday has been caught out by the details of their annual holiday insurance. Read the small prints before you sign up folks - remember the devil (and the insurance companies’ claim avoidance plan) is in the detail! Hopefully, he will make a good recovery.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64187351 |
A similar restriction often applies to UK vehicle insurance too. Cover abroad is typically limited to individual trips of 30 days.
But I have known an insurer to extend it on request, at no charge. |
For once some sensible, good news from England
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-66341778 |
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looks like we may be able to "wild camp " in uk soon
But............... read "sufys" blog about his time in spain a bit scary !:Beach::Beach: a nice beach and a 5 * hotel ????? |
Not news as such but an article on the BBC about the shepherdesses of the Pamir region.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-67510670 |
Some wheels good news
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Kenyan motorcycle taxis pushed to go electric
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A report on the BBC about a lady travelling from Kenya to Nigeria. Nothing unusual or newsworthy you may be thinking? She had been confined to a wheelchair following a car accident and hadn’t ridden a bike - pedal or powered- before buying her 250cc bike and getting a weeks training and then setting off.
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What a great trip!
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