Just Curious II
 

A couple of years ago, after the Brexit vote, I asked the Brits here how this might affect their travels in Europe. Most seemed very upbeat and not worried about the effects of the change. Just curious, how do things look now? I go to BBC.com and know 12-31-20 is the end of the old ways. I don't see much about travel/motorcycles. I don't have a dog in this fight, I'm just like Curious George.

There’s been quite a substantial change in travel possibilities this year but it’s all been down to CV-19 rather than Brexit. Quite what is going to happen to personal travel (as opposed to commercial travel) come January I’m not yet clear. So far all I understand is that the our Euro health cards will no longer work and there will have to be extra insurance hoops to jump through (which will no doubt cost extra). The phone companies say that Euro roaming will continue- although for how long I remain to be convinced and there’s no talk of needing ‘Eurovisas’.

Coronavirus has grabbed the headlines for most of this year so Boris has had a bit of an easy ride over Brexit. I have quite a few European trips planned for next year and I’m not anticipating any serious barriers getting in the way but I may be living in a fools paradise. Once the bug is on the run I suspect the full ‘horror’ may become clearer - unless, of course, the deal or no deal talks - still going on after five years in vegan smoke filled rooms - manage to lash something together at the last minute. My conclusion - :rolleyes2:

I don't think they will make it particularly difficult as too many people in Europe make at least some of their money from UK tourists, we might be back to green cards for our motor insurance and making sure we have travel insurance which was recommended before but that is about it.

I’ve read there will be a 90 day limit and no return for 180 days (???).
So it will put paid to longer European tours.
I guess there will be some kind of visa system in place at sometime and they might even negotiate differently by the deadline but at the moment it’s not looking likely.

Brexit
 

The other guys are right, it hasn't bit yet and has been overshadowed in the last 9 months by Covid 19. Ask in 6 months to a years time and then we will know what the real effects are.

No doubt it will cost more money for insurance, as far as I know the European Health card will go, though I may be wrong on that.

I am fortunate that I have a Euro passport as well as a UK Passport, so I can stay in Euroland without time limit. The EU will introduce a pre clearance travel scheme called ETIAS, like the US ESTA, though UK Citizens at the moment don't need to use it, hopefully this will stay the same as Norwegians, Icelanders and Swiss who are outside the EU but in the Schengen area don't need to use it...it gets complicated! I will use my Euro passport in the EU and Schengen, but UK passport travelling and entering the UK..
ETIAS is supposed to be up and running by the end of 2022.

Planning three trips;

Trip1

1. NL
2. Germany
3. Poland
4. Slovakia
5. Hungary
6. Austria
7. Germany
8. Back to NL

Trip 2
Spain and Portugal

Trip 3
1. NL
2. Germany
3. Denmark
4. Sweden
5. Estonia
6. Latvia
7. Kaliningrad
8. Lithuania
9. Poland
10. Germany
11. Back to NL

I also have a fourth trip to Turkey but thats too long to go into.
Stay safe, be kind and happy.

As a distant outsider, I'm imagining the most dire effects will be on trade, not tourism. On the other hand, tourism is often used as a lever in trade negotiations and diplomatic spats, so the possibility of requiring anything from advance clearance to paid visas will always loom. (Edit to add: based on James' post above, it sounds like the "advance clearance" portion is already being developed.)

Most of the world doesn't belong to the EU, so there are lots of models around for how things might work. Basically, if you're well-monied and live in a wealthy country, Europe welcomes your well-monied presence and doesn't make great efforts to enforce limits on how long you can stay. If otherwise, it may be necessary to risk life and limb in addition to investing significant cash.

Of course it works the same way in the US, except worse.

Mark

No fear here, it'll involve a bit more paperwork that's all. It'll probably help with insurance, a green card for Morocco won't be much different for one for France, the main stream companies will have to offer something or lose the whole Euro Disney crowd as well as us. My car insurers are actually writing to me telling me how easy they'll make getting one.

Business is booming, it makes more sense to lock out competitors from similar economies if they want to be stupid and open up to ones who do what we don't. Australian Lamb or Canadian wheat for British Machinery is happening way faster than German cars for British made Japanese branded cars ever moved.

You don't want to take the Brussels Broadcasting Company as any indication of what is going on in the UK. They are a clique of London trendies with a weird agenda.

Andy

James1959
I also have a Euro passport but would qualify for a UK one. May I ask why you would use the UK passport when travelling to the UK?

Hope this helps
 

Hi Flipflop
I was born in the UK, and it is my country despite having an additional Euro passport. As such I feel that I am not a visitor to my country and basically to avoid possible 'friction' at the border. I used my Euro passport to enter the UK 25 years ago and was interviewed by the Special Branch (Police) at Waterloo Station coming off a Eurostar. I don't resent it, they were doing their job, but I was irritated. If I use a UK passport to enter the UK I am under less scrutiny.
Russian nationals who are dual nationals have to use their Russian passport entering Russia, and if you are a US Citizen with a second passport then you are classified as a visitor to the US (if you use your other national passport) and could potentially overstay, so it makes sense to use the US passport to enter the US if you have one.
I pay full UK tax and national insurance and have done for 45 years, so I want to make sure I get the full benefits of UK citizenship.
Stay safe and be kind.

From the perspective of business there are going to be barriers to get to the continent - there will be tariffs to be applied some goods which means that there will inevitably be a massive increase in paperwork (because otherwise there will be no tariffs collected) compared to where we are now when we can move goods freely. These paperwork barriers will cause issues at the ports as no-one - not the UK government or EU - has a clue as to what is going to be in or out of the agreement as at this point we don't know if there will be an agreement before the end of the year. There are a significant number of government MPs that WANT a no-deal exit. Oddly there are also some people that have bet very significant amounts of money that there will be a no-deal exit - I wonder how many of these two groups of people are the same?

As a consequnce business is NOT booming - the only booming going on is from the slamming of factory and shop doors shutting for the last time.

For the individual traveller there will also be changes - we will have to get a green card, a higher level of travel insurance. It is likely that there will be hold-ups at ports due to the number of lorries parked up waiting for the paperwork to be sorted out - watch out for the print shops springing with cycle couriers taking urgent paperwork to the lorries sot hey can actually move off.

For those UK citizens there will be no right to live or work in Europe, students won't be able to move to study on the continent so easily (partly down to the right to be in the country, partly down to a massive increase in fees and partly down to there being restrictions on non-EU students on courses). Essentially the UK citizens have been stripped of a whole series of rights.

On the plus side we now have a blue passport (something we have always been allowed to do if we wanted to).

Jay
 

Jay
I don't know what's going to happen, but broadly I think you are right.
be kind and stay safe.

ETIAS is not UK-specific - it is a pre-authorization system for citizens of third countries. Norway and Iceland are not in the EU but are in the EEA (which the UK isn't), and in Schengen (which the UK never was). Switzerland is technically not in either, but has a bunch of individual bilateral treaties with the EU that amount to the same thing.

So yes, the UK will have the same sort of arrangement as other third-country nationals coming into Europe visa-free - Americans, Australians, Japanese... - which is to say: pre-authorization but no visa, and 90 days' total stay in any 180 day period.

From what I've heard from our own authorities, EU identity cards will be valid for entry into the UK for the first nine months of 2021, after that we will have to show our passports to enter.

If you're doing Kaliningrad anyway, you'd be remiss in not doing St Petersburg. You can take a boat from Sweden to Finland, ride over the border into SPb, then back into Estonia, with an e-visa.

Thanks AnTyx
 

Thanks AnTyx
You are right. I have worked in Immigration EU policy and legislation most of my working life, so I welcome your comments. You always make a valuable contribution to debate. Finland-sore point, my first partner was Finnish and she died young of cancer, I lived there and speak the language, but don't feel ready to go back even after all these years..St Petersburg...been there..but your observations are very welcome.
Stay safe and be kind.

That is something I never knew that EU citizens could enter the UK with an ID card, I thought you always needed a passport.

Mark
 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visiting...k-after-brexit

EU, EEA and Swiss citizens can continue to travel to the UK for holidays or short-term trips, without needing a visa.

You’ll need to show a valid passport or a national identity card if you’re a citizen of either:

an EU country
Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway or Switzerland
You will not be able to use your EEA or Swiss national ID card to enter the UK from 1 October 2021.

You can continue to use your national ID card to enter the UK until at least 31 December 2025 if you:

have settled or pre-settled status under the EU Settlement Scheme
have a frontier worker permit
are an S2 Healthcare Visitor
are a Swiss Service Provider

Hi Mark
This is the official line,
Stay safe and be kind