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Keith1954 27 Jan 2016 10:41

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Originally Posted by backofbeyond (Post 528241)
Failing that, explain to me, line by line, what it is that my gullible gene has been taken in by on that BBC report. If I am too stupid to see the bias or untruths in it at least you'll have saved me from that pitfall. While you're doing that I'll just be talking to the bloke from Microsoft who's just phoned to say they've discovered a problem with my computer and wants to fix it .... :rofl:

Now there’s a thing – The good ol' BBC. Overly liberal-biased news broadcasting aside, the Beeb is a world-leading export, as many of us here who have travelled overseas, will know and appreciate.

Nothing produced abroad comes even close to the high standards of the BBC when it comes to their superb drama productions and documentaries, the natural history docs in particular. The rest of the world looks-on with envy. :yes:

Hell, the licence fee is worth every penny just to watch and listen to Carol Kirkwood present the weather forecasts! :tt1:

Walkabout 27 Jan 2016 11:37

Thought of the day
 
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Originally Posted by Keith1954 (Post 528402)

Hell, the licence fee is worth every penny just to watch and listen to Carol Kirkwood present the weather forecasts! :tt1:

That is really sad!
:rain:


I was reminded of an important concept contained in the earlier link to the BBC summary: the concept that it takes 2 or more entities to trade, and it has little to do with politicos and their "inteference" via trading laws.

The reminder was this:
The big cheese of Iran, Rouhani, is currently on a shopping trip in Europe, now that the assets of Iran have been released from sanctions.
a. He went to Italy and bought a few Billion worth of steel products from that country.
b. Now he has bought over 100 Airbus aircraft from France.
He probably doesn't really care that the wings of that aircraft are manufactured in Wales, so he is supporting UK exports.
Nor does it seem feasible for France to stop trading wings for the Airbus in the event of a Brexit decision.

twowheels03 28 Jan 2016 07:05

Unelected suited crooks !!!
 
The European Union is futile, corrupt and saturated with fraud, Margaret Thatcher’s former press secretary has said.
Writing in the Yorkshire Post, Sir Bernard Ingham, Thatcher’s longtime trusted press secretary, asked why Britain should cast £12 billion a year down an assorted array of “criminal drains.”

"Europhiles might usefully address themselves not to the question why we should stay in the EU, but why we should ever want to be a member of it at all when the institution is corrupt and so riddled with fraud that the auditors have felt unable to sign off its accounts for nigh on 20 years,” he said.

twowheels03 28 Jan 2016 07:27

Drivel
 
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Originally Posted by Keith1954 (Post 528402)
Now there’s a thing – The good ol' BBC. Overly liberal-biased news broadcasting aside, the Beeb is a world-leading export, as many of us here who have travelled overseas, will know and appreciate.

Nothing produced abroad comes even close to the high standards of the BBC when it comes to their superb drama productions and documentaries, the natural history docs in particular. The rest of the world looks-on with envy. :yes:

Hell, the licence fee is worth every penny just to watch and listen to Carol Kirkwood present the weather forecasts! :tt1:

Also world class leader in Peado cover ups....Pro eu biased reporting....reinforcing government agenda....breaking its charter....putting out endless mind numbing drama and fake reality drivel. And worst of all.....Chris ######g evans.

backofbeyond 28 Jan 2016 07:53

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Originally Posted by twowheels03 (Post 528498)
Also world class leader in Peado cover ups....Pro eu biased reporting....reinforcing government agenda....breaking its charter....putting out endless mind numbing drama and fake reality drivel. And worst of all.....Chris ######g evans.

No arguments from me over Chris Evans. :thumbdown:

Threewheelbonnie 28 Jan 2016 17:44

You should get up earlier. Vanessa ****y Feltz rambling aimlessly about her mates. The Ginger Whinger is an absolute relief.

Andy

Keith1954 28 Jan 2016 18:17

Anyone votes for Piers?

Good Morning Britain (2015–present)

I know, different toilet [ITV network]

In the picture below he reminds me of a film star, like ..

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-...-4HvMD6m-S.jpg

Lassie having a sh!t!

backofbeyond 29 Jan 2016 08:33

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Originally Posted by Threewheelbonnie (Post 528541)
You should get up earlier. Vanessa ****y Feltz rambling aimlessly about her mates. The Ginger Whinger is an absolute relief.

Andy

That sounds like the perfect new Top Gear line up - Chris "Ego" Evans and Vanessa "Earplugs" Feltz. You'd just need to add Janet Street-Porter as a kind of reverse Stig - one that never stops talking, and you'd see a huge rise in the sales of TVs as people put their foot through their old ones. :rofl:

Walkabout 1 Feb 2016 11:43

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Originally Posted by backofbeyond (Post 527754)
Hmm. I was in Stockholm about six weeks ago and didn't notice it being any less cash happy than anywhere else. Most of the numerous refugee street beggars seemed to be quite happy with it.

It is an issue though and it was a factor in my reluctant conversion to the card world when they started becoming widespread 20/30 yrs ago. Those with long memories for trivia may remember the 80's American Express slogan that went "American Express says more about you than cash ever could", complete with jet set alpha male waving his little green card as he walks into some futuristic hotel lobby. Shortly afterwards the cynics version was doing the rounds - "Cash says less about you than American Express ever could"

Back then though there might have been some fear but there was little technology. Now I suspect it's only fear of voter backlash fuelled by media outrage over privacy that stops a lot of this stuff being done. The reality however is that these days no matter how much cash you have stuffed in your pockets there are an increasing number of places where it's useless - there wasn't a single hotel we used in the US last summer that took cash for example.

Here's a view from someone who lives in Sweden:-
"If you think it's not going to happen anytime soon, then you should try living here in Sweden for a while.
Most bank offices no longer handle cash at all. The very few remaining ones that do, will endlessly humiliate a customer and literally treat him like a petty criminal when he tries to deposit cash to his account, even a miserable sum like, say, 5,000 SEK (around 500 USD).
Shops, restaurants and other business, even state agencies, slowly follow the suit too, placing signs that they don't accept cash and citing "security reasons" and fear of robberies. (Did I mention that even doctors' offices and emergency wards get robbed in this country? Guess who commits such crimes - but that is another story.)
In conclusion - Sweden is a proving ground for many NWO phenomenons and experiments. Transgender children, extreme multiculturalism, destruction of nuclear family, all your nightmares begin here. Cashless society is only one of them."

An abstract from, What A Cashless Society Would Look Like | Zero Hedge
That article gives a few pros and cons about the cashless society concept, and there is a lot of commentary thereafter including the quote above..............
On the main topic, is a cashless system more or less likely inside the EU?

backofbeyond 1 Feb 2016 12:30

Makes it sound like some Orwellian dystopia where the inhabitants live in a form of state induced darkness. My son lives in Sweden at the moment after living in (as well as the UK) Holland, France and China and isn't reporting any form of unusual social circumstances. In fact he quite likes the way things work in the country. As it took him a few months to get the Swedish version of a social security number he's had to live in the "cash economy" during that time and didn't find it particularly restrictive - or never mentioned it if he did.

Whether the Swedes are more cashless than us or any other country can only be a matter of degree though as that's the way things have been moving for a number of decades and continue to do so. Whether this is driven by some kind of Machiavellian cabal, consumer preference or commercial pressure it is a fairly universal shift. Even "backward" countries - sub Saharan Africa, the USA etc have embraced it to some extent. For the most part it does make life on the road easier than it used to be. When I first started travelling we had to take most of our funds in cash (I never trusted travellers cheques). That was fine until one trip to Greece when the money bag fell off the bike and we lost it. It took two weeks to get money transferred from the UK. Try living in a cash economy with no cash.

Walkabout 1 Feb 2016 14:32

Taxation is the least of it - see Common Law
 
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Originally Posted by Walkabout (Post 527709)
When it comes to paying taxes, I suspect that the UK follows the European model regarding the burden of proof issue.
At least we have moved along a tad from the "Sheriff of Nottingham" approach to imposition of taxation.

HMRC has quite draconian powers but are often challenged to the effect that they only apply these powers to the general public while reaching "cosy" deals with mult-national corporations.
I think that nowadays there are various routes for appeal but whether those routes get as far as a court of law I wouldn't know.

I've been reading into this further and came upon a very fundamental, if not controversial, view.
It is a long article and an abstract is below, which gives a feel for the myriad of issues contained in the article itself.

"Just to clarify the situation, breaches of The Law are dealt with in a genuine court with a jury. All other matters, such as taxation, bank loans, parking restrictions, speed limits, and the like, are dealt with in a fake "court" which is a commercial company and part of a violent protection racket style scam which is wholly unlawful, but enforced by violence, threats and intimidation using bailiffs and police to protect the bailiffs from being attacked."

Abstracted from (and toward the end of the article):
http://www.yourstrawman.com/



Walkabout 1 Feb 2016 14:43

Legal or Lawful?
 
For some kind of "completeness", it was this blog posting that led me to consider more about the issue of the law.
https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2016/01...in-your-ear-2/

I believe the majority of the worlds lawyers practice in the USA, although some dispute this statistic.
In any case, practice probably does make for perfection.

*Touring Ted* 2 Feb 2016 21:47

Anyone else had one of these through the door. It's a very pro EU 'Newsletter' from the 'stronger in' department.

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...37c61b10aa.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...e82ef83b73.jpg

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...9bc7f9db56.jpg

Tim Cullis 2 Feb 2016 23:02

You will get an increasing number of pro and anti communications over the next few months, all of which are likely to be misleading to a degree.

I think we need to wait until a draft settlement is actually agreed by the other countries in the EU before it makes any sense analysing what it means.

Walkabout 3 Feb 2016 00:10

Not surprising nowadays
 
I find this disturbing:



EU twisting facts to fit political agenda, chief scientist says | EurActiv


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