Ain't that the truth...

I keep thinking back to a quote by Mark Twain.

"If voting made any difference, they wouldn't let us do it"

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New ONS figures out this morning show that between December 2014 and December 2015 net migration was 330,000, up 20,000. Three times the government’s immigration target…
270,000 EU citizens migrated to Britain last year. Net EU migration was 184,000, an increase of 10,000 on the previous year.
The number of Romanian and Bulgarian migrants more than tripled from 17,000 to 52,000.
Remember, the true EU immigration figure is 250,000-a-year higher.

Stiffen those sinews Old Bean :)


We are going to win this and as our colonial cousins are wont to say “win big”. There is an understandable tendency when under attack by the relentless barrage from the 1%'s and their co-ordinated (by “Sir” Lynton Crosby – another of our colonial cousins) machine to feel disheartened but you know the difference between right & wrong, let that and that alone sustain you. You would not be a BREXITER if you didn't.


However, if you want a little extra third party encouragement let me share this with you; in a previous life I was a Options Trader, those people whom you used to see in trading pits screaming and making unfathomable (and sometimes VERY fathomable) hand gestures at one another! I know the city and its' cynicism and values – to wit PROFIT. It is the only value they have. The NASDAQ is a stock market many will have heard of. For the last three months they have been conducting a tracking poll asking for expectations for the June 23 EU referendum. Note that they do not have a stake in the referendum or a bias and only report the results in their poll, which have been heavily in favour of Brexit (see latest Brexit poll results). What has been most glaring is the disparity between their poll and other on-line polls vs. public polls and bookmaker odds. Remember that the respondents are traders – they have no other motivation in their judgement other than profit i.e. where they are going to place their money based on their belief of the referendum outcome.


This disparity has led to the respondents to express one common concern, that the polls/vote will be manipulated, rigged, or fixed. Now the NASDAQ is not an institution swayed by conspiracy theory's so they looked a little more closely and the article is well worth a few minutes of your time reading:-


Exclusive: Brexit Poll Conspiracy? - NASDAQ.com


and remember, these are global traders with no “dog in the ring” other than profit:-


Exclusive Brexit Poll Update: Should You Trust the Polls?


As Always - Follow the money...




Steve Hilton on government Brexit numbers…
“They are made up. I know because I used to do that stuff”.

Better informed is not how I would describe that post. So many inaccuracies that it's difficult to know where to start, but I saw the original post on Facebook and this is what one of Geoffrey White's own friends responded,

Im changing my mind every day.
Someone want to fact check this one ??

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Excellent Ted

PS....I still won't be voting! :clap:

God wants you to vote remain
 

Hilariously, Downing Street & The Remain campaign have been caught out cynically coordinating yet another group in a letter to be published in a newspaper over the weekend, this time from religious leaders. BSE sent the text of the letter to Faiths Forum, asking them to get the signatures. Faiths Forum’s email to religious leaders has been leaked and it openly admits disguising that it is part of the official Remain campaign. The subject line rather gives it away…

Subject: Britain Strong In Europe Campaign

I received this email yesterday, and have been requested to circulate to faith leaders.

They are coordinating a letter from religious and belief leaders pressing people to think very carefully before voting to leave the European Union. It reiterates the point so eloquently made in a different context by Pope Francis that faith should be about building bridges not erecting barriers.

It says that so many of the issues about which people of faith care so passionately – from alleviating poverty to tackling climate change – depend on strong international institutions. It stops short of formally endorsing the remain campaign so as to avoid being overtly political. However, it would be seen as support from the signatories for Britain to remain in the EU, which is how we would present it.

Remember children – every time you Vote Leave an angel will die :(

Great that Ted...I will still be voting out :wink3:

Wayne

I would love you to come to the Granada region where I am at the moment and repeat those words. From our place in Spain we can see down into the valley and the ruins of the old mill house where Franco's 'moderate' Guardia Civil murdered three generations of the same family.

For many here in Spain, the civil war was just yesterday. And you probably don't realise the strength of feeling of the British volunteers who gave their lives in the fight against facism.

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Tim, he was being ironic, in an attempt to engage in a discussion about if Franco was a good or a bad guy. It was in a reply to the post in which I pointed that the word fascism is being way too widely used these days.

In any event it's an open question for historians both in Spain and elsewhere, the true nature of Francoist Spain. As mentioned before, I don't see it as a true fascist regime, a fac-simile of Mussolini's fascism even if there were many similarities, specially in the years immediately after the civil war. There were, also, dissimilarities the greatest being the strong influence of the catholic church in the state's affairs, something which goes directly against the pure fascist doctrine. The true fascists were the Falange which was merely one of the regime's families. Further, the regime was different in 1940, 1960 and 1975, progressively moving away from the fascist traits it previously had and which happened along with the loss of influence of the Falange in favor of the technocrats like Ullastres.

On the same post it was made a comparison with the Portuguese dictatorship and, that one, was far from fascist with only the corporativism as a point of similarity. The true fascists in Portugal vanished in the mid-late 1930s.


Now, replying directly to what you said, yes, it's true that in Granada as in a large part of Andaluzia, praising Franco would bring not very good things to the praiser. But in some places in Murcia, Comunidad Valencian and specially in Castela y León, even in Eastern Galicia, the praiser would be able to get some followers. I've lived in Spain for several years, both in Madrid and near Alicante and my social contacts wouldn't go against someone who praised Franco. Many of them would join the choir, as a matter of fact.

1. Is true. But is 0.113% too high?
2. The comission decide what gets debated while at Westminster the elected scum decide themselves.
3. True, but freedom is priceless.
4. See above, I'd rather be poor and comfortable in my own street.
5. The UK abolished hanging, legalised gay sex etc. we can copy any of their ideas from outside.
6. Could be true. See 3 above.
7. If you ignore the ECHR you get chucked out of the EU. If they aren't connected North Korea could join the CAP.
8. Misses the point totally. A German would agree to a law to ban lawn mowing before 8 am. A Brit would defend the right of a man who lived 20 miles out in the country to mow when he likes and would condemn anyone else as an ungentlemany swine without any need for a law. The Spanish don't get up early enough to care. The Hungarians would settle it with their fists then gang up on the plod when he turned up to enforce the law.

The only issue is freedom. The rest is just noise which you can turn into any tune you like.

Did you know 50% of EU hills require you to use more petrol and 99% of EU yellow snow is inedible?

Andy

Immigration
 

Some simple immigration facts that might influence how you vote:-

And because Britain is the obesity capital of Europe it means we have even less space...(As an obese Brit obviously takes up the space of two skinny Spaniards)

However, if we leave the EU, it means there will be massive taxes on EU inspired healthier food so everyone will have to go back to eating pie and chips 7 days a week and we will all get even fatter and become more overcrowded.

We just cant win can we !!

Thats outrageous, where did you get the info, I would like to read the full story

Wayne

it's easy enough to extrapolate from Eurostat figures. Here's a source that may help you:-

Migration Watch UK | MW356 : Population Density Brief