APPEAL TO EMOTION: In this fallacy, the arguer uses emotional appeals rather than logical reasons to persuade the listener. The fallacy can appeal to various emotions including pride, pity, fear, hate, vanity, or sympathy. The appeal to sympathy is actually a formal fallacy labeled Ad Misericordiam. Generally, the issue is oversimplified to the advantage of the arguer.

Yep...for me it is better than becoming a puppet or is that muppet of the EU bier

There are no facts just a lot of speculation so we really have no choice.

I fear you're absolutely right... :frown:

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, chapter VI.

No, you misunderstand me, I would rather read simple posts (from HUBB members) stating simple personal thoughts.

Although your response admittedly did meet the 'simple' criterion, it was an attack on other people's thoughts rather than an expression of your own. I might not agree with some of the points raised by HUBBers who think we should remain in, but I won't criticise their viewpoint.

I struggle with that argument.

Do you honestly think that the EU feels the UK takes them seriously when we already send 22 UKIP MEPs to Brussels?

Well there's many issues to choose from but the inexorable move to a Federal Europe and the loss of United Kingdom sovereignty is the one that concerns me the most.

I'm undecided about immigration. It's shutting the stable door as we can't turn back the clock and the price we have already had to pay has been soaring property prices (basic economics of supply and demand), ever-lengthening NHS queues and a massive shortage of school places. On the other hand our economy is strong and some say this is because we've had workers to fill jobs.

Financially, I suspect the country might go through a rocky period but equally might well come out the other side stronger, rather than weaker. Difficult to call. The City of London might lose some ground to Frankfurt.

But back to sovereignty and the move to closer union. Stuff the platitudes that Dave managed to get thrown to him as crumbs by the other EU leaders, the EU bureaucrats who are the power behind the throne will find ways to weasel round anything that's not enshrined in EU law.

You only have to look at Juncker's threat to ostracise those governments whose policies he doesn't agree with. The 'rule of law' legislation has already been used against Poland and is threatened against Hungary and Austria. When three of the 28 EU countries face this type of legislative action, one has to question whether the legislation makes sense. As the Polish prime minister said, "This is not the union, not the kind of membership that we have agreed to."

Juncker is, after all, the failed ex prime minister of the European superstate of Luxembourg which has hardly equipped him with a sense of fair play, and whose appointment as President of the European Commission was firmly opposed by the UK.

The main reason the leave campaign has teeth is because David Cameron failed to negotiate a better deal with the EU. This may be because many of the terms of membership of the EU are not negotiable (which is a reason to leave in itself) but in my view, it is more to do with the high handed manner of those in the top jobs in the EU hierarchy. This take it or leave attitude will mean that, if the UK votes to remain, these people will consider themselves even more powerful and the UK will be made to suffer more humiliating loss of sovereignty. Only my opinion.

I thought of posting here when the op started this thread, but went for a ride instead so it slipped my mind.

Now it's on n pages where n is tending towards infinity and the traffic stats to the hubb are much increased (advertisers like this apparently) and if people are able to demonstrate their in depth knowledge of Hitler's Mein Kampf, here's a quote from the forum rules you all signed up to

Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB - Forum Rules
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It is NOT intended or run as a 'chat' board, NOR to debate the great political or religious or cultural issues of our time.
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Imho as it's a Sunday, you should be out riding/ planning a trip/ having a good time with friends and family, or reading a book not written by Austria's most infamous son.

It's Saturday, Chris.

And your link doesn't work.

But :welcome: anyway to the thread

:DMinor detail regarding the day of the week.doh It's the weekend and Starbucks is open. :blushing:

The link indeed doesn't work... Found it using the search function at top right of the page. I typed in the word 'rules' and it was the second link down.

Maybe the rules have changed? Wooo wooo conspiracy theory :helpsmilie::innocent:

Just found the (Federal Suprastate? ) roolz here

Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB - FAQ: General Forum Usage

I'm so relieved that there's no theoretical conspiracy after all! My skinny latte will taste so much better now. I can carry on reading my book on UFOs/CIA balloons/tunnels in the Sahara (by Junker and Schulz et al. Look it up, it's on Amazon) too.

Best post of the thread :thumbup1:

We should have a referendum to change thr forum rules.. I'll create a new thread and poll. :)

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What a great idea Ted. How about the proposal to change the rules to:

Discussions regarding sex, religion and politics are allowed as they appear to be a damn sight more interesting to people who populate this forum, judging by the traffic they generate, than the usual Carnet or which panniers should I fit to my lardy German/Austrian/Japanese heavy bomber to make it even less fit for purpose than it was before questions that usually appear ad infinitum.

If you manage to squeeze "twiddle my ring antenna" into a post you win a special prize, tba

"Skinny latte" also wins a minor prize (an evening of intellectual chit chat with the OP and/or author of this post?)

Any other rule change suggestions? Anyone? Heeeelp me out here guys!!! :palm: :Beach: