Are you are an Irish citizen?
 

It seems bizarre that another nationality can vote in our country but it is so and we even have the Irish PM campaigning today on British soil with the approval of Vichy Dave. I can't imagine the reverse ever happening but anyways consider this;

If people vote “Remain” David Cameron’s recent EU agreement will be implemented, which means that new immigrants to the UK will have lower social benefits than those already here. It will be impossible under EU law to differentiate between Irish immigrants on the one hand and non-Irish ones on the other. So new Irish immigrants to the UK must face cuts in social benefits too. On the other hand, the long-established Anglo-Irish Common Travel Area, which goes back to 1923, is a matter exclusively for the British and Irish governments and is not an EU matter. Irish people will continue to move freely between the two islands and across the north/south border inside Ireland as they have always done.

What this Jack chap has got to do with brexit is beyond me. Some people have way too much time on their hands

Well you left a significant part of my post out of your quote.

But, I say remain in the EU. The U.K. will benefit more from staying and having a say in making the rules then to leave and having to subdue to rules that have been made out of their control. (55% of the trade being with the European mainland)

There is and should be sufficient room to let countries have their own identities. Rules, regulations and benefits are in place to have all countries and citizens benefit. Besides don't all politicians use the EU as a scapegoat? What if that is not there anymore? Who is to blame for their mistakes? :oops2:

when did I ever say I was voting in?

given the childish attempts of the brexit brigade, their fictitious conspiracy theories and the latest low point of using a fallen hero's memory in their arguement, I'm very tempted to vote IN just to annoy them more

EU ideologues see those people who identify themselves as British, Greek, German, French etc, instead of "European" as the chief obstacle to accelerating the single state project. They want to inflate the population with as many people from outside Europe as possible because those people don't carry what they see as outdated cultural baggage, and as beneficiaries of open border Europe they can be relied upon to vote for more of it.


This policy is applied intra-EU to an even greater extent which is why we have uncontrolled immigration into our country. It is not a by-product of the so called open market it is the exact reverse – Immigration is the policy. It is critical to the long term success of the European Project. If we vote remain it will accelerate.


The creed of hating your own history, the doctrine of that patriotism is guilt expressed here with such viciousness by a tiny minority of extreme europhiles is a manifestation of the EU ideology personified. The veneration of your own history is not evil, don't let them convince you otherwise.


Reject their hateful doctrine, their "Project Fear" and vote in your own rational self-interest and VOTE LEAVE

Well, I can give you plenty quotes of historical figures either saying remain or leave, depending in what context I would like to use it.

Which, to elaborate on the subject, was my point. There will always be a quote which one is able to interpret for his/her/it's cause.

In my opinion, your Cornwell epitaph does both sides justice, depending in what mindset you read it.


The rise of rightwing parties, which are particularly keen on independent states and the end of the EU, can very well be traced back to wrong politics and greedy politicians not aware of society's struggles.

Fear and hate against other ethnicity/religion/countries (underline your preferred answer) is what these groups are after. Mind you, being travelers (assuming you are), should have learned a valuable lesson that most people are genuinely kind, regardless of their religion or ethnicity.

Therefore, why would one want the UK to leave other countries behind? Because of a misplaced sense of being the greatest empire in the world regardless of being an island depending on their mainland partners?

The only good thing coming out of leaving the EU is that it will be dirt cheap to travel in the UK (for foreigners, the ones right wing tries to keep out), plus buying gear in the UK will be more affordable.

A useful overview of the economic argument, from a writer for the Independent newspaper (which nowadays is out of print and totally online only).
The author of the article used to work for the IMF, so he says:-

EU referendum: Why the economic consensus on Brexit is flawed

As it happens, Frank Field MP put his finger on a range of key aspects during the Question Time programme of last night.
In short, this referendum is just the start; the UK will be much more like Scotland is today, no matter what the result of the single event of 23 June which will be close, one way or the other.

The PM was taken apart by the Sky TV programme also of last night; after that performance he must regret ever becoming involved in leading his own campaign.

Meanwhile (again) police investigations of the Tory party actions during the 2015 general election gather pace.

Thank you for this! It really needed to be said given the context of this thread and the name of the forum we're all posting on.

I also bear that in mind; postal voting has a lot to answer for according to some commentators.
However, there is cause for optimism in the current police investigations into last years' elections.

Now "fact checked":-
https://fullfact.org/europe/26-mays-...e-factchecked/

Interesting discussion?
 

What do you think? Some good points made here, but I am not on the
ground in Britain, so I leave it up to those who are.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/why-brex...-molyneux.html

xfiltrate

Moderation in the HUBB pub might be looser than elsewhere but it's still unacceptable to get to the stage of name calling and rude language. By all means post a response saying you don't agree with a point of view, but please stay polite.

Accepted although I would suggest that moderation could be a little more even-handed. Just saying.

I removed posts from remain, leave and couldn't care less, so moderation WAS even handed

You have a thankless job as a moderator Tim but you do it well. You'll annoy someone with one reply and please someone else with another.
Some members just can't help getting ants in their pants when someone challenges their view on a tinterweb forum :thumbdown:

Thats maybe because its very easy to challenge someone from your armchair bier

Wayne