What would green laning look like if you didn't use a bike? Or 4x4?
 

Earlier this year Hexham Lane, a strategically important green road in the north of England was permanently closed to vehicles by Durham County Council. The circumstances surrounding this were dubious at best and so the TRF (Trail Riders Federation) convened their legal minds and decided that we had enough clout to challenge the decision in court.

A little over 3 weeks ago the TRF launched a Save Hexham Lane Crowd Funding Campaign to raise £10,000 towards the legal costs for this case. This is breaking new ground for the club, introducing a new way of adding to the fighting fund and giving those who aren't TRF members (for whatever reason) the opportunity to support what we are trying to achieve.

The guys at Northumbria TRF are so passionate about this campaign that they even ran the lane, in full gear, just to make a point. Watch their film, reflect on what winning back this lane would mean, and donate to the cause.

There's been a great reaction and there's just a couple more days to go until the crowdfunding closes. Any excess funds will go towards other similar projects, so please consider contributing!

Win back the green lanes or lose them forever. Click to donate

A few facts
 

Two principal questions arose during the "debate" at
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1. What happens if the target is not met? Will the fund be topped up from the TRF fighting fund (the latter exists separately)? The answer came back, quickly, as "no".

2. The question then arose: So what happens to the individual donations in the event that the target amount is not raised? No answer has been posted to that question.

Not a well thought out campaign, IMO.

Last time I looked, this appeal was at 125% of the target.

Should be a good stoush - revheads vs ramblers

Well as you are aware, the target has been met and I think it has been a great success, both in terms of actually raising the money, but also raising the profile of TRF and the great work they do in fighting TROs. I'm surprised nobody could answer your questions,

(2) if the target had not been met, none of the individual donations would have been collected—that's the whole point of crowdfunding and having a closing date. To quote from elsewhere, "If you don't reach the target, none of the pledges are turned into donations and the pledger isn't charged. The idea behind this is that you need to raise the amount in full for your project to go ahead."

(1) So zero money would have been raised and there would have been no question of topping up from the TRF fighting fund.

Any excess funds will go towards other similar projects, so please consider contributing!

Thanks for the explanation of how crowd funding works.

As for the questions within the TRF forum they were not mine.
Rather, they were from someone who, persumably, is interested enough to join the forum - a member of the TRF even.
I saw the crowd funding post as pretty vague because it did not explain the financial aspects - it's a matter of "hand over the cash, you know you really want to".

Now that the TRF have "loads of money", it simply highlights and begs the question of what the fighting fund is for if not for this type of fighting with local councils (fighting dragons and slaying beasts in the darkest shires of Britain?).

I have to admit I am feeling pretty jaundiced following the revelations concerning Kids Company and their shenanigens.

Am I right in saying the solicitor that are fighting the case is a trf members and they are making the money from fighting this case in court.

I'm not TRF member - I have never ridden green lanes.. Im not even in the UK at the moment (just wanted to clarify all that) but the point of this thread is about the green lane issue not about the money or financial goings on within the TRF

isn't it ?


(Drops from the conversation!)

carry on !

What I find interesting is that when lanes close the trf want your help to fight to keep it open I've been to these trf meetings, I'm not impressed with the people who run them, they don't share info on temp lane closers, so other riders are still using the lane, and it's £50 a year membership, drop the price they may find more people interested, and it's a click club, they want your money but not to come out riding.

Not really; it is an appeal to a wide audience outside of the TRF to contribute funds to one of the aims of the TRF.
The latter is a private club of a few thousand members. I am not aware that they publish audited accounts of their funding - up to now they have no need to do so, being private in nature.
Maybe that needs to be addressed now that they have a goodly amount of cash from a wide range of the public to augment their other funds.

The so-called "Green lanes issue" (they are not always, or even often, green) has been discussed many times, in many fora and is an emotive issue within the UK - so is donating cash for "worthy" causes.

There are so many "worthy causes" tugging at your heartstrings these days that the phrase "a plague on all their houses" has come to mind a few times recently. We were door knocked last night by the NSPCC (a children's charity for those not familiar with the initials). A very worthy cause and worth supporting but the high pressure "stabbing finger" doorstep tactics very quickly turned sympathy to annoyance. Their well scripted presentation stopped just short of accusing me of "neglect" because I haven't set up a regular bank transfer donation - something I'm now very unlikely to do to say the least. The last couple of weeks has seen a number of other charities "blitzing" our road in similar "shame on you" manner.

I do have sympathy with the predicament that the TRF finds itself in and can understand why they'd want a "whip round" to pay a lawyer but whatever the merits of this particular case there is a Canute like element to their stance. Standing on the beach and waving £20 notes in the air to try and reverse one closure really is ignoring the tide of increasing regulation and, it has to be said, logic sweeping round their feet that's redefining the status of tracks all over England. The only reason they're not all already downgraded to footpath status is because councils have other things to do with their time.

Since I was a member of the TRF (many years ago) I've seen "unsurfaced roads" round my way (Chilterns) go from road status to bridleway and then down to footpath. If horse riders and cyclists are being barred what hope have motorcycles and 4x4s got. Personally, as a runner on many of these tracks, I wish there was a further downgrade to no dogs available but that's just me.

What the heck has the TFR appeal got to do with someone doorstepping you for NSPCC? :offtopic:
Walkabout: all you had to do was to Google 'Trail Riders Fellowship accounts' to find out the latest set of accounts filed was for up to 31 August 2014.

Lowrider: you might not be impressed with the volunteers helping run your local TRF but they are unpaid amateurs and if you think you can do better you could always step forward to help. Did you mean clique?

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If you're interested in helping this, please consider donating in the same way that 461 other people have already done.

If you're not, please pass on by quietly. :innocent:

I was thinking more about those who have made a donation to the TRF; they may like to look at such accounts - it matters not to me because I haven't made such a donation.

As for the wider topic of cash donations in general, it certainly is not off topic - your OP request is but one example of such a donation among a multitude of "good causes". It is based upon the TRF use of crowd-funding of course and "imagine how you would get along on the lanes without your bike".
As backofbeyond says, the more "moral blackmail" that is exerted the stronger I become in my personal resistance.

Incidentally, off topic in the pub??

Hi Tim thanks for the correction on my spelling I'm dyslexic it's was a night mare when I was younger, last year before tony, the charman of the northern trf is trying to get the members of the northern devision to split from the main trf, how would that help the national trf Also the leagal team you say is one person, I no him, he's a member of the Newcastle trf that no one has seen in 10 years at any meeting, I no a few of the members in Newcastle most are great guys giving there time to do what they love for free.

More off topic for the HUBB Pub
 

That touched a nerve.
It is not all sweetness and light with the charity game. e.g.
Childline.

Guess in the HUBB PUB mild dissension and topic wandering aren't allowed.

It's not the TRF's job to advise and update random non-TRF members of lane closures. How are they meant to go about doing so? If a lane is closed, there will be a legal sign at either end of the lane advising of closure dates & the reasons behind it. In addition, many counties have up to date websites detailing all lane closures, the info is out there if you bother to look, the Wiltshire County Council website is particularly good.

I can only speak for Oxford TRF, we are certainly not a "cliquey group", we actively welcome new members and endeavor to get them out on the lanes ASAP. membership has gone from 80 to 150+ in the last 3-4 years.

In this age of £500+ mobile phones & sat navs, £1,000 luggage systems & £1,500 riding suits, £45 for a years membership of the TRF is not a lot of money for a worthwhile cause.

Lastly, we're lucky enough to have Wiltshire on our doorstep, with more legal Byways than any other county, many parts of the country don't have it so good, we appreciate what we have and to that end, I've just donated £500 this evening on behalf of Oxford TRF to the Hexham Lane fund in the knowledge that their target of £10,000 had already been exceeded by over 30%. If they don't use all of the money raised fighting the lane closure, then the balance/remainder goes to the TRF fighting fund to fight the next case.

So, what is the TRF policy regarding Crowd Funding (CF)?

Was that recent CF a one off event or will it be used again?

If it is to be used again then will the annual membership fees be reduced in recognition of this new source of funds?

Which campaigns are worthy of CF efforts and which should be funded from the fighting fund?

Why don't the TRF publish their knowledge of green lanes now that they are funded by non-members?
These folks do:-
Maps showing rights of way

As a general comment, everything I have seen and heard about the TRF indicates that it is a disparate set of groups, scattered around the country; all very much doing their own thing - nothing wrong with that per se.

After all, it is so easy nowadays to just go overseas to ride some great dirt.
The emotional attachment to a few miles of UK green lanes is not what it once was.

All of the green lane knowledge held by various TRF groups is easily accessible. All we do is buy the relevant OS map, plan a route, mark the route on the map or more likely these days, track log it on a sat nav and amend/refine the route where necessary.TRF groups are not the sole keepers of byway knowledge in the UK, anyone can do as we have done, it's only laziness that prevents them from doing so.

As for sharing, we have a set of marked up OS maps for the areas we regularly ride, they are freely available to anyone in the group to borrow and copy. New members are encouraged to do the same.

As for disparate groups, why is that we have ridden with Bristol, Gloucestershire, East Midlands, Devon and Welsh TRF groups? We've taken most of the above groups on our local lanes, encouraged them to tracklog the routes and they've done the same for us. If I want a route for green lanes anywhere in England or Wales, I only have to ask the relevant group. I've also got a selection of routes for Spain, Portugal, France & Italy that have been emailed to me.

If others have already made the green lane knowledge available as you suggest, what is the point of the TRF or anyone repeating, especially when OS maps are readily available, as are sat navs that come with preloaded OS maps for whole of the country?

Riding abroad is great, that's why we're taking another group to Portugal in September for the second time this year and off to central France next spring but nothing beats deciding you want to go trail riding at short notice, getting the bike out and hitting the local trails.

It's not for you to comment on the "emotional attachment to green lanes" of people you don't know.....

Stev I wish I was in your region sounds like you are well organised m8, I would have had a better experience with the trf,
When I went out with curtain trf members I was told not to have any sat nav devices switched on, and no info was made available to me from the trf, I must point out that some did but ask me not to say anything,
It's fare to say some regains are run better than other.
I feel I didn't get value for money from my experance

My first experience was not positive, I didn't attend another meeting for a while but gave it another go and then realised you get out of it what you put in to it, hence a previous role as Membership Secretary and currently the Treasurer.

Our view is that if more of us ride the lanes, then it becomes harder to close lanes as there is more history in the form of photos, videos and reports etc proving long term usage of the lanes.

My partner also produces a monthly newsletter full of ride reports etc by our members, can email copies to anyone who wants it.

It's my view, not others.
When I was young I guess I was susceptible to the emotional blackmail of the usual kind churned out --- - the use it or lose it and, by the way, we are your guardians and you will be cast out into the cold unless you comply and join the club.

Now we have the "what would it be like to green lane without a bike?" approach combined with "give us the money".
Still no answers to my monetary-based questions though; too searching perhaps?

Based on the earlier reply, I have done a search for the TRF accounts (I don't use the verb "to google" however).
It turns out that the TRF are a limited company registered in the UK with considerable assets to hand.
I'll give this some more consideration; maybe post later even.

Righto, I've had a rainy few hours so here goes:-

A search in accord with the advice given earlier revealed that the TRF is registered as a UK limited company.
This is probably not news to those involved in the running of the club.
It does appear to have registered offices in both London and Oxford, depending on what website is viewed.

It seems likely to be the case that the TRF leaders - the directors of the company - have conducted some manner of "makeover" (to use a term that my kids tend to use), as evidenced by the new look website and the general air of self-congratulatory postings in the TRF forum.
TRF Forums • View topic - TRF are taking Durham Council to court and we need your help

Continuing the research, the TRF is referenced in the link below in a couple of ways:
1. As the governing body for trail riding in the UK.
2. As having 3000 members.
Trail Riders Fellowship
Both of these statements may be in error of course, particularly the former.

Continuing, 3000 (let's take that figure as "near enough") members x £45 per annum produces an annual income of £135,000.
No breakdown of how the cash is distributed, but the fighting fund is considered to be an important function of the TRF - a key raison d'etre. We might assume that most of this annual cash income is devoted to that purpose.

It does seem to be a healthy income for fighting the dragons at the local authorities and the various other lobby groups that abound in the UK.

Banging away at the search engine indicates that to see the TRF accounts requires an exchange of cash for information, but a couple of sites give some detail of the body:-
https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/l...ers-fellowship

TRAIL RIDERS FELLOWSHIP. Free business summary taken from official Companies House information. Free Alerts. Registered as 05848933
from which we can learn that the TRF has a net value of around £150,000.
Therefore, the recent crowd funding appeal has increased the net value of the organisation by about 10%, all based on social media distribution over a matter of about a month.

OK, it's stopped raining and I'm off out to ride; enough, for now.

That's impressive dave, I couldn't get ride info been a member look what you have come up with,
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You make it sound difficult. I gave you the google search argument to use in post #11 and the information about reserves is in the company check site about sixth down. I found that in under three minutes.

There is only ONE accurate source of information for registered office addresses and that is Companies House. Again, just a couple of minutes job to find it:
TRAIL RIDERS FELLOWSHIP
218 STRAND
LONDON
WC2R 1AT

This is the address designated to receive legal and statutory notices and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the trading address.

Companies House will also tell you (free of charge) that Trail Riders Federation Limited was formed as a limited company nine years ago in 2006.

Although I'm a member of TRF I have never bothered to involve myself in its administration, but I would suggest it's not always a good idea to make assumptions without some real information to back it up. For example, I would imagine the local branches get some of the annual membership income to help defray their running costs.

If you are really interested in the TRF why not become a member?

Tim,

we don't I'm afraid. The groups are self funded; Horse Events, Riding Days, Guest Speakers, etc.

I'm happy to pay my membership fee even if it was just for the legal back-up (I'm sure I could afford a barrister for about 10 minutes) but through the TRF I have met some of the best mates I'll ever have.

I've ridden with blokes in their 20s and in their 80s, done countless trips to different counties and countries and just pretty much had a shed-load of fun.

It was difficult to stick with it when the NERC act came in and despite lots of hard work, we were shafted and lost all the RUPPs.

Is the TRF perfect ? No, of course not.

I'm afraid that we may not be as welcoming as some would hope. Turn up to a meeting with a "Right, load all the lanes on my GPS so I can ride with my mates on MotoCross bikes and never see you lot of old gits again" attitude and you'll get nowhere.

Good words, similar experience for me, my first TRF meeting was not great. I persevered and was Membership Secretary for a couple of years and put together a Welcome to Oxford TRF pack which was quite successful in getting new members out on the trails. As with most things, if you put something in, you'll get something out of it.

Myself & my partner took a group of another 8 TRF members to Portugal earlier in the year, all had a great time. We run several trail riding weekends a year, £10 donation split 50/50 with Oxford TRF and Wilts Air Ambulance who received £340 last week. Taking East Midlands TRF out on Sunday for the second time in 3 months.

The second quote may account for the first one, or at least contribute to it.
Why shouldn't some 40 groups scattered across England and Wales (nothing for Scotland or NI, naturally) do their own thing when they have no financial connection to the head office?

I am still reflecting on what I have seen, heard and experienced of the TRF but no time for that right now; Mumford and Sons are heading up the Reading festival. :thumbup1:

"My banging on" terminology was simply a turn of phrase to reflect the multiple use of WWW links in that particular post; as you say, certainly not difficult.
But, this is really beside the essential point of the thread, viz the recent appeal of the TRF HQ for the general public to fund their activities in the UK law courts while retaining their members' subscriptions within the fighting fund for some other, unspecified, purpose(s).

There is not much light being shed on my earlier questions but, along the way, we have learnt that the individual clubs get no financial support from the HQ - the latter pocketing all of the proceeds of the annual subscriptions it would appear (or maybe the Oxford club is being deprived of their just desserts?? Conspiracy theory for a Saturday night!! :rofl: )

Yep, I make a point of not using the google search engine, just as I also avoid becoming a customer of, for instance, Starbucks,

I usually reverse that question to something on the lines of "why become a member" and pretty much soon after that the conversation tends to finish.
So, I'll leave it, for now at least: Metallica are on tonight for the festival. :thumbup1:

Silence is golden
 

So, I popped into the HUBB pub to see if there is any illumination cast onto the new policy of the trail riders fellowship viz get others to finance their efforts.
Nothing though.

Meanwhile, as has been stated more than once, it is a simple enough matter to find the byways (I have just done exactly that in the vicinity of the Ridgeway, an area that I have not ridden upon previously as far as the green lanes are concerned).
I enjoyed "the chase"; the process of riding out and looking for the access and egress points to the various (legal) byways, after consulting my mapping reference linked in an earlier post above.
The rights of way using an Ordnance Survey map

Happy days, ride solo, stop when I like, do what I like (within reason and the law), drink tea when I Iike, depart when I like, return when I like, refuel when I feel like it ---------- you get the idea.

So, on a lighter note, :rofl: does anyone have any green lanes they would like to share, either a file or Coords.

Wayne

There were a number of people walking on the Ridgeway the other day, and all very happy/smiling faces when I passed by on my little trail bike, leaving "scarcely a footprint in the sand/chalk/flint".

Glad you popped in; I thought the conversation had finished!



The Byways of west Berks are easy to find; very well signposted.
The Ridgeway closes to vehicle traffic for the winter from 1 Oct for 6 months, so best get there soon.
Those in south Oxfordshire were mainly lost to vehicle access all those years ago; again, they are easy to find, both on the map and on the ground, but they are clearly sign posted as "restricted".

Personally, don't bother with all that electronic file/GPX stuff - just print off a map from Rights of Way.com (linked above) and go explore.
In other words, they have been shared already, not least by means of the RoW mapping.
http://www.rowmaps.com

Before I joined the evil :innocent: TRF I lived in East Sussex and the county council was very happy to provide me with a copy of their definitive map.

Thought(s) of the day
 

Cogitating, now I am back in the saddle of my "goes like stink" inline 4 cyl, these are my current thoughts:-

Reasons not to join the club:

My state of physical health and general mobility is such that I have no inclination to undertake "hardcore off road" adventures (there's that noun again).
I am inclined to undertake off-asphalt riding only when the tracks under the wheels are in good condition such that I don't have to get off the bike and drag it out of the bog/mud or whatever (been there, done that and it doesn't hold my enthusiasm nowadays - connect with an earlier post).

I do like to stop quite frequently and enjoy the views + chat with anyone who is so inclined to do the same thing; hikers, dog walkers, geriatric pensioners out for the day, tractor drivers, anyone basically.
Consequently I also tend to ride pretty slowly to take in the views, and the potential views that may be coming over the horizon soon, while also absorbing the landscape, the ambience, call it what you will.
In my occasional foray with the TRF, years ago, I found this aspect to be of little interest to those whom I was expected to accompany.

Nor am I greatly inclined to even fall into line with a riding schedule set by ANO,"be there by such a time or we will depart without you".
Fine by me, be gone and I will carry on regardless with both my life and my riding.

It seems that some have had less than satisfactory experiences with their contact with the TRF. All I can say is that mine have mostly been superb.

There are runs that are planned to crack on at a reasonable pace to cover ground or get a little further afield and others are a more relaxed. The old(er) boys I ride with sometimes, still do many technical lanes but with more comfort breaks and instead of lunch being a pasty in a garage while fueling up, it'll be sat on a hill somewhere picturesque.

Be honest about your ability and what you want out of the day and don't be afraid to say that you're knackered and could do with a rest.

I know that I wouldn't have had any where near as many spectacular experiences if I'd just got a map and bumbled about on my own.

Minutes of the Northumbria T.R.F. Meeting held at the Staff's Club, Blaydon on 5 August 2015

Apologies
These were received from, Paul Jewitt, Arrif and Ken Lord.

The meeting
This was opened by Tony our Chairman at 8.15 pm. He then played a short humorous trail riding video. They were 35 in attendance including seven new member s and potential members.
Tony then introduced the new members to the committee. He then advised new members (and guests once they joined) how to access our group Facebook, the on line Trail Magazine and TRF National web site. The meeting then continued in the usual power point/audio visual format showing pictures, reports and video clips of runs out.

Minutes of the previous meeting
These were previously sent out to members by email and copies were circulated during the evening. They were also mentioned in the power point presentation, Also that our next meeting was to be our annual general meeting. There were no matters arising.

Previous Run’s out.
Greg gave a short report on how he and Gary got on with a run around Alston and how he managed to get Gary back after he had run out of fuel. Some discussion took place on A.J.P trail bikes.

Future Runs
Members were again advised to keep in touch with our Facebook page and the national TRF forum.
Tony again requested more runs leaders are required to take out new members. Ian Myers offered to take out a run geared up for novice riders every Saturday starting on 5 Sept. He also advised those interested to contact Facebook.

R.O.W. News
General matters of ROW. Were discussed in particular:-
Hexham lane Fund raising activities were discussed for the legal costs of saving the lane. Greg reported that over £14000.00 had been raised to date and that by the end of September the total should be in the region of £15000.00. He then thanked all those that had made contributions and suggested we visit Teesside group to thank them for their £1000.00 contribution.
Winnows Hill Plantation Access is still progressing with NCC.
Simonburn Suggestions were again made for repairing access from tarmac road and gate entrance and that one of our members was to search for the land owner for permission to repair the damaged entrance.
The Ash The farmer has blocked of the foot bridge. Members advised to travel south to north to avoid alerting the farmer’s wife who is photographing riders struggling to cross the ford.
Doctors Gate Concern expressed re the condition made by 4x4s to the section near Hamsterley Forest.
Slaley Forest The on going condition of the trails was discussed.
New Berwick and Old Berwick Byway now confirmed and the impassable ford access was discussed

Discount Tyres, oil and accessories
Tyres and oil are available from our treasurer Nic at discounted prices, whilst accessories at a 20% discount are available at Custom Lids Westgate Rd by showing an up to date TRF membership card.




Any other business
Hadrian Adventure family week end (See Below) 2 and 3rd of October estimated cost £45.00. Tel 01434320175 quoting Ref. TRF 2015
Glendale show stand. This was cancelled due to lack of volunteers.
Dirty Weekend. This is to be arranged at Drum Clog Scottish Borders approx. £15.00 per head. Greg gave news that the TRF promotion shop is now open and that clothing etc. is available can now be bought on line but he advised it should be bought through our local Northumberland group where discounts can be shared between members and group funds. Tony our chairman gave an interview for Land Rover Magazine.
Dave Vaughn sent an email to our secretary about some members he encountered whilst riding his cycle at Redesmouth Bridge last month. He said “They were very aware of me and slowed right down. One rider had stopped as he had lost his tool bag and had a quick chat”. “Just pass on that they were a credit to the TRF.”

The meeting was then closed and the raffle was held at 8 45 pm which consisted of a trail tyre, oil Tee shirt and CO2. This was then followed by a GPS workshop hosted by Dave Lawson.

Next Meeting. This will be our Annual General Meeting on Wednesday 7 October 2015 at the usual time and place 7.30 for 8.00 pm.


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Here's another resource that some might find useful: Trail riding on Green lanes - the map

Click on 'select area' to choose between
- East Sussex
- Surrey
- West Sussex
- Kent
- Hampshire
- Dorset
- Bucks
- Devon
- Wiltshire

I am not clear if you attended that meeting, but what do you make of it (via the minutes if you were not there)?

I left the trf last year but for some reason I still get the minutes emailed to me,
The only interesting bit would be the amount of funds raised by the club and who has donated,
I just thought you may of wanted to pick the bones out of it

Another motorcycle club
 

Those minutes don't cover the financial side of life (not that month anyway) so we don't know if this club/branch does get any income from their individual annual subscriptions to the HQ.
Maybe they run a raffle each month to pay for the hire of the meeting venue?

Other than that, the whole meeting was over in about 30 mins - I do appreoiate that will be the formal bit.
The minutes do touch on an aspect that I have been musing upon while riding: I am inclined to think that the TRF is much the same as any other motorcycle club formed in the UK, and there are 100s if not thousands of them.
Perhaps it is closest in nature to the single marque/model type of bike club but in the case of the TRF their common, binding theme is green lanes rather than the bike itself.

My paper based 1:50000 map of Salisbury is over 40 years old - the highway information was last revised in 1970 - but it still works today for the location of trails which are, after all, old rights of way.
It cost 44 pence so I must have got it just after the currency became decimalised.

I get a feeling that the online electronic maps produced by the authorities are kept well up to date in accord with the paper based definitives held at county halls. There are staff employed to do exactly that function who will revel in their own computer skills.
But the second link was produced by an individual who is now deceased, so it will go out of date, sooner or later.

Other folks have similar musings!
 

I came upon this in a different forum (KTM oriented if you really must know).
I wasn't :rofl: but it did bring on a smile.

"I've been considering the TRF but I don't have a van or trailer and have a pathological aversion to bureaucracy, committees and the kind of Napoleon syndrome that always seems to infect that kind of organisation."