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Bolivian Visa for Americans $100
Just a heads up for any Americans headed to Bolivia. A us$100 visa is now required to enter this country. Don't let that, or the talk of four eastern departments(states) wanting to breakaway and be independent stop you. It really is a beautiful country, and the people are very nice.
Safe travels. Oh Brother, Where Am I ? |
Do you know if this is for travel by air only, or does it apply to land crossings as well? I know Brazil had (has?) a $100 visa fee for Americans in retaliation for our (the US government) charging Brazilians the same to come here, but it didn't aplly to land crossings. At least that is what I was told.
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Do you happen to know if it applies to EU passport holders? Probably not but...
Lorraine |
All Crossings
As far as I'm aware it's for all border crossings. One of our group was a few days behind us at the crossing near Copacabana and was the first one to get the news. Needless to say, he wasn't too happy.
And I think it only applies to U. S. citizens, but Lorraine, you might want to check. Travel Safe Oh Brother, Where Am I ? |
its for the USA
A little looking up it seems that Bolivia is mad at the USA demanding reciprocity from the citizens of the USA. Moving US tourists from the lest regulated to the most regulated category. For the US side seems there mad Bolivias Morales office friendship with Presidents Fidel Castro of Cuba and Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. And Morales has recently accused the United States of using its aid to support his conservative opposition.
Here some of the document I have cut it down it bit as its dam dry and boring. Ref: VREC-DGRC-UAB-3213/2007 Classification: Ordinary La Paz, September 6, 2007
Republic of BoliviaThere it is wonder how this is going to cost there tourist industry. By there admission 1 in 5 tourist are from the USA spending $40 million a year. :oops2: |
Bolivian Visa
Hi, Im From Bolivia And Yes, Only The Americans Have To Have The Visa.
And It Is Mandatory For Us Citizens Who Are Entering The Country. By Air, Road Or Any Kind Of Transportation. If Anybody Has Questions Feel Free To Contact Me. |
Bummer, I was on my way to Bolivia. But I´m not going to pay a hundred bucks for the privilege of spending my money in the country.
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Just Fine
I wouldn,t want to go anywhere that supports this 21st century Socialism bullshit anyway,especially when like Evo they want to change the constitution so that like Fidel Castro they can re-elect themselves for life and subject the population to a communist experiment that everybody knows does not work!!!
I,ll stick to Peru Albert theturtleshead |
Peru has had it for years
but at least it's good until your passport expires.
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I was planning to go through Bolivia to Argentina this year. So does anyone have any up to date information on crossing into Bolivia from Peru? I would particularly like to know if USA types are able to cross at the land entry point by just paying the $100 and presenting enough paper to make it look good. Or will the traveler have to get the visa months in advance at the consul general in Chicago or Washington DC?
Fritz |
from the department of state you can get the visa at the border. Here it is Bolivia
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Thanks. I went on the Bolivian Embassy USA website and it indicated the same, but with a lot more requirements. The Bolivia website is very interesting and I think I might just make an application here beforehand.
The good news is that at least I found out about this problem on HUBB well in advance of the trip. So now I can worry with confidence!! |
Morales, the USA and why the Visa Fee.
My feeling is that once the Smirking Chimp criminal Bush is out of office in a year the Bush admin. policies could be turned around.
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Oh yes
One quick question Mollydog.Where do you actually live and for how long?
I live work and employ people in Latin america. Albert theturtleshead |
More than one outlook
Mollydog,
Have appreciated your input and wisdom in sooo many blogs, but I don't think this is the forum for political venting! I am of a different outlook. Don't be quick to throw me into the "evil right wing" category either,.. I said DIFFERENT. There are more than 2 sides on things like this.. I have lived beside and worked with the poorest of the poor in the neighboring (and very similar) country of Peru for most of my life (volunteer work in education with my own funds - NOT US GOV). I have listened to the people on all socio-economic levels who benefit and/or suffer from policies made out of their control. I been prisoner of the terrorists (also wanting justice), and been unjustly treated myself for the good things I have attempted to do... I spoke with many (in Spanish and Quechua ) while in Bolivia 8 months ago and many, many do not stand behind their leader... in fact 7 in 10 in Santa Cruz disapprove.... I'm just saying: "There's more than two opposite sides to this thing.." When I was younger, in a moment of frustration once, when I just wanted to BE Peruvian and not stand out as a Gringo even tho I lived as they did, I asked my father (then veteran of 30 years in Peru): "What do I have to do to become totally Peruvian ?!! His wise response: "You can't, you just be the BEST GRINGO to ever come down the block." Am I, are you, are each of us being the BEST GRINGO these people have ever met ???? Appreciate you guy.... Toby Around the Block 2007 | |
Just trying to infom
Sir,
It really pisses me off that you would hijack this thread and use it for political BS. Please come to talk the people who work, live and pay taxes in these countries and see what is actually happening TODAY.Travel through more than the "tourist" areas and spend some time with the people who invest their lives and fortunes in unstable futures, making these places "work". Maybe I should have been more direct in my original post. The people of Bolivia were actually talking about a civil war in the near future andd finding a gas station that had both gasoline and diesel was near impossible. Take the political BS elsewhere man, this aint the place. ps Freddy is a standup dude, he gave us info on the road from Cochabamba to Montero |
Indeed
I,ve lived in Latin America for 14 years and right now 21st Century socialism has caused me to lose two employees and all the other people I know in business are losing people too!!!
Chaves Morales and Correa are a curse on the working man and anyone looking at the other examples e.g Colombia and Peru where the growth rates are similar to China. Ah screw it I,m moving to San Fran to get a job in a recording studio!!!Why bother Albert theturtleshead |
Tell it like it is Albert!
Running a business and going through the day to day trials and tribulations which amounts to your survival really gives you a perspective on a country like no motorcycle "passerthrough" can match. Let's face it. If things go wrong for them, they are just a plane ride away from their sterile and anticeptic point of origin. They don't have your "worry factor". Other than being website "chatterboxes", whatever happens in Bolivia doesn't really affect them at all.
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:offtopic:Funny to see people telling others about not being political then be political them selfs. Mollydog just was expounding on the why of it from a point of view some may not have. I dont care if there left right or down the center as long as I can get in and see it for my self. I want the facts as much as anyone but facts with out the why are near useless. Its like Data with out information, Intelligence with out wisdom, like 35 with out 35pounds in the front tire. So I say vent away. But the HU BAR is better place on HUBB for pure political venting and surprisingly there is little there. :offtopic:
Not that most of this has any thing to do with what a traveler from the USA needs to get in to Bolivia. $100 for seeing the other side of the fence sounds good to me. |
I just finished an enjoyable ride through un-touristed areas of Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama. I tried to observe different cultures, peoples, politics, diets, lifestyles, etc., without judgement. I choose to live my life, and they live theirs.
Information about political turmoil, along with the causes and effects, is important to my travels. I enjoy reading different points of view and even a heated argument. Thanks everyone for sharing. I haven't decided yet if I'll visit Bolivia. Lucky for me, one of my passports is in the Class 1 category. I recomend everyone get an extra passport from an extra country. It's super handy to have more than one. It goes like this: passport please. Which one? says I. Is it better to have US or Panama? says I. Or I do some research ahead of time (like this forum) and decide ahead of time to show only my Panama passport if I go to Bolivia. I'll also make sure to get it stamped going into Peru, Chile, and Argentina, for in case I'm asked to show how I got to Bolivia in the first place. Albert: take a chill pill or have another beer! You're quicker to anger than a scot- oh, wait, you're a Scotsman! Right. No worries. Right on! |
Hmmm
I don,t see how me having to deprive people of their livings is a light hearted chill pill situation.I hated having to lose these people,but It had to be that way to keep the ones with wives and children employed!!!
You keep enjoying your travels,I,ll keep being pissed off by stupid policies that affect me and the people that I employ. Albert theturtleshead |
One Hundred Bucks A Small Price To Pay?
Think about it: we charge $100 for their citizens; they charge $100 for US citizens. This "reciprocity" is in effect in the following countries that I've visited to date:
1) Chile - currently only via Santiago International Airport; land crossings are no charge 2) Brazil - all border crossings: air, ship and overland 3) Zambia - though through some finesee and if you're not staying more than a day or two you can get a transit Visa; but can be tough to process. You'll pay $100 over land crossings 4) Tanzania - land, air and ship South Africa, Malawi, Botswana & Namibia are all free except the useless "carbon tax" or "insurance tax" or other silly expenses. Just be sure you get a multiple entry visa that doesn't expire until your Passport does. It's a sad thing. But I can't say I blame them and yes, Bolivia while Evo's socialist tendencies are not favorable to most of the world stage, and the $100 is a hefty price to pay, these are no reasons to boycott a great country with warm people, great roads and amazing natural scenery. Anyone who rides through south america and passes by the Salar de Uyuni is missing one of the most amazing land features on the planet. |
While I recognize American immigrations mistreats the entire world including its own citizens, the purpose of this Visa rule is to express contempt and hatred towards Americans.
I've had enough of that on this ride. If they don't want me to come, I won't. |
Does anyone know what it costs a Bolivian to visit the USA? I don't, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was $100. I am a big believer in free trade and travel, and I'm not defending him, but you can't really blame Morales for retaliating. Like a lot of protectionist acts, I don't think it's been thought through all the way. Most small businesses in Bolivia have a poster of Morales hanging up, so he seems to be a popular figure there.
I met 2 Ecuadorans that spent something like $600 each on visas to ride from Ecuador to Alaska. We in the US don't always realize how good we have it , as far as international travel goes. |
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It's reciprocal - nothing more, nothing less. Just like Brazil. The States charges Bolivian citizens $100, Morales is returning the favour. No expression of contempt nor hatred. Suerte, Dan |
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The fact is the Bolivian government has gone out of its way to show I'm unwelcome. If they don't want me to come, fine. |
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Finally, it seems improbable that migration of peoples between Bolivia and the US is reciprocal.
The average American headed to Bolivia is likely either a tourist or businessman. Either way he seeks to sprinkle alot of cash around and leave. A probable net benefit to the Bolivian economy. The average Bolivian headed to America is more likely to be an economic refugee and possible illegal immigrant. Not necessarily a net economic benefit. |
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It was an anti-government demonstration. They had barricades in place to stop 'business as usual' - you know, civil disobedience and all that. What you were doing was directly in opposition to their protest. Perhaps you should have found a place to park the thing for a day or two, then you wouldn't have confronted their opposition to running their barricades. I haven't noticed that 'nearly daily spontaneous expression of anti-Americanism'. Of course, they have a low opinion of the U.S. government, but so do I. |
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While I am pleased to see Bolivia assert its right to self deternmination, I have a distinct impression they are trying to send a message a bit beyond that. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/139/3...9d122bd3_o.jpg |
Well, I just wanted to know the easiest way into Bolivia! If someone who has actually entered his or her moto by land has an answer about how its done and how much paper it takes, a response would be much appreciated. It costs what it costs. Not much I can do about it.
These are the best times that ever were because these are the only times I will ever know. I'm going to take the trip. Fritz |
1938
I wonder what would our attitudes have been to driving our bikes through Germany during the Nazi regime,would we see the developing problems or would we just be glib tourists passing through happily seeing the sights,ignoring the political situation.The question is to take a stand by not supporting a regime by not spending your money on it or legitamently visit to see the situation for ourselves,the later is only really applicable is you spend about six months living there and getting sufficiently into the political reality.How many of us do that?
So lets go forth!but lets remember we are nothing more than sightseers!!! Albert theturtleshead |
Reds under the beds
Hey Bert,
Might be more helpful if we stuck to the facts in this thread, no, and avoided descending into spittle-flecked, politicised provocations? If you really want to terrify us with tales of the 'red menace', why not do it in the bar, where we can respond with appropriately cheery scorn to your 'Morales is just like Hitler' nursery rhyme taunts... Love ya Bert - you big daft quasi-fascist... Suerte, Dan PS Fritz - 'These are the best times that ever were because these are the only times I will ever know. I'm going to take the trip.' Great attitude. |
Red Menace
I thought that,d get a reaction He He He,I seen you back posting!!!
By the way you,re the only Red Menace that I know. The next time you make it round these parts the first nights drinking is on me,but watch out for the spittle flecks Cheers Albert theturtleshead |
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Regards Nigel in NZ |
Debate
I thought this was a bunch of fat middle aged bikers talking crap!!!
and whats this about the Nazis,without them they,d be no history channel! Albert theturtleshead |
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I have the sound mind in a pure body and I am as strong as an ox. I am Tarzan, Mandrake, Flash Gordon. I am Bill Shakespeare. I am Cain, Ulysses, the Flying Dutchman; I am Lot in Sodom, Deirdre of the Sorrows, Sweeney in the nightingales among trees. I am miracle ingredient Z-247. I am immensive. I'm a real, slam bang, honest to goodness, three fisted humdinger. I'm a bonafide supraman. |
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I said earlier that I try to observe without judgement, but that doesn't mean I don't learn. I take my experiences home, and then I act accordingly. I might contact my congressperson and ask that the next foreign aid package to a particular country include a provision requiring border reciprocity. I might give an interview to a newspaper and voice my concerns. Whether or not my concerns are printed, I at least hope that I'll influence future editorials. This is my version of thinking globally and acting locally. I had zero problems from Mexico to Panama. Usually I was treated like a rock star, like a visiting dignatary, like royalty, always with respect- ok not always, the El Salvador/Honduras border SUCKED. Otherwise though, everything was fine. A week after leaving Panama there was a riot and a policeman shot and killed a construction-worker protester! My bike isn't insured. Oh crap that would have sucked to have ridden through that! I still haven't decided it I'm going through Bolivia. Not because of the $100. (I don't have to pay it!) I got my first rabies shot today. |
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