Bank/ing and credit cards.
 

Hello all,
Just wanted to know which banks and CC are you using when travelling around the globe. Sometimes it is not easy to make/receive a bank transfer in a given point of mother earth timely or at least fast enough. Example: when buying a vehicle abroad or there is a need to transfer money at a reasonable cost. The same is applicable to credit cards, sometimes if you use your card to withdraw money the charges are simply hard to assume to be polite.

Thanks.

Not sure where u are in the world but examples would be Revolut debit card.......apparently used by alot of euro campers . Chase is a similar proposition But its customer service gets a right slating .
In the UK Nationwide do a Visa credit card which doesn't charge for foreign transaction fees .
Banking wise I use First Direct........excellent customer service via the phone or online.......never had an issue when travelling abroad .

Just use your home bank debit card at ATMs. As long as your debit card is associated with a big network such as Cirrus or Maestro, it will work in ATMs all over the world.

FYI, before I retired I used to deliver new aircraft to all sorts of out of the way, lesser developed countries. I would often visit up to 60 different countries in a year, none of them what you would call "first world". I never once had a problem withdrawing cash from my home bank account using my home bank debit card.

Just talk to your home bank before you leave, let them know where you are going, and what kind of daily withdrawal limit you need.

WU
 

In South America I prefer Western Union.
Transfer money using WU.
Pick up cash and use cash.

Easy and low fees.

Wise. One card with zero or small ATM fees, gives you a European, UK, USA/ACH and Australian bank account numbers for direct transfers, very good exchange rates.

One thing to keep in mind: the bank is a business. It provides a service *and expects to make money off you*, especially a payment system that isn't making money by giving you a mortgage to subsidize your checking account. Don't expect a completely free lunch, and you will be happy.

Using your home country cards will rack up sizeable fees quite quickly.

Lots of people use Revolution, but it has a low monthly cash withdrawal amount after that fees kick in. I’ve been using Starling which has unlimited cash withdrawals.

In Australia some of our banks have a feature where you can get a travel card and load it with whatever currency you need.
One card does the lot.
I use Commbank.


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With Wise you can hold funds in more than 40 currencies. When you move from, say pounds to euros, Wise nets off its total daily movements in one direction against the movements in the opposite direction, and only physically converts the balance. So the conversion rate is far better than a normal rate.

And once the funds are in a different currency you spend from that 'jar' without conversion costs at all.

I've been using Wise (formerly TransferWise) for about six years now. Use this link for a fee-free transfer of up to £500, https://wise.com/invite/u/timc84

Is it the conversion rate savings that makes Wise so popular? I've had a few people try to convince me of how useful Wise is. "You can put your money into a bunch of different currencies!" Well.. I can use my credit cards in just about any country regardless of currency.

That is to say... I haven't seen the advantage of keeping your money in multiple currencies. I take my bank card to the ATM and withdraw local cash. I pay for things with a credit card when possible.

I've periodically checked the exchange rate I'm getting with my credit cards, and it's close enough to the official rate that I'm not worried about percentage or two. Is the exchange rate with Wise enough to make the switch?

Jamie,

I use Wise Visa debit card as my primary card when travelling out of country on bike tours.

Reason is that if I use credit cards the conversion rates were unfavourable. If I remember correctly the banks were about 3 to 4% higher.
Using Wise the rates are close to XE mid market rate. So over the long term the Wise Visa debit card helps.

I don't keep the money in multiple currencies though. I just have the funds in my currency (Malaysian Ringgit) and I use it to pay for bike rental in Vietnam and Thailand, hotels (Philippines), gas/petrol at bigger fuel stations in Thailand etc.

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I think that statement is too broad, too general, and it needs to be clarified.

Using a home country DEBIT card to make withdrawals from your bank account at ATMs while abroad is probably the least expensive way to obtain cash when away from home, especially if the funds you are withdrawing are not in the same currency as your home country currency. You will often be charged a nominal amount - typically about USD $2 or $3 - by the local ATM operator for the withdrawal transaction (regardless of amount withdrawn), but because the currency conversion is done by your home bank you will get the most advantageous currency conversion rate available. So the trick is to not make frequent small withdrawals, instead, make occasional large withdrawals.

Using a CREDIT card to obtain cash is never a good idea, not even in your home town, because your bank and/or credit card issuer will begin to charge you daily interest immediately on the withdrawal - it is treated as a cash advance on your credit line, not as a withdrawal from your bank account.

Using a credit card to make purchases in a currency other than your home country currency will probably result in a currency conversion surcharge of typically 2% on the value of the purchase. This might not be a concern on a small purchase such as a tank of gas, but it is something to consider when making larger purchases in the hundreds of dollars or hundreds of Euros, Pounds, etc.

Michael

Same here, though no need to use an ATM unless you need to hold cash, pay with the Wise card and as well as excellent exchange rate & no additional fees (at least on UK based accounts) you get 1% cashback too - it all adds up.

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I use the Caxton Fx card. It’s a pre load, no fees charged by Caxton for either cash withdrawal or transactions outside the home country, better than bank fx rate. Pre load in a variety of currency’s and if you use that currency there are no further conversion fees, or for something obscure it does an on the fly conversion from your home currency at a good fx. Easy to load while on the move.


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That is part of it - it's better enough to make it worth the hassle to find my Wise card whenever I am out of the eurozone, but otherwise could use my main card. Two other advantages are the ability to send money directly to it from not just the Eurozone, but also UK, US and Australia using local bank transfer methods (no international bank transfer bullshit); and the fact that it's just really easy to get one, and it doesn't cost you anything to keep around. So if you are travelling and are a bit hesitant about where you swipe your card, it's very simple to send a few hundred euros to the Wise account (within Eurozone banks it arrives in minutes), and limit any potential fraud to that "petty cash", keeping your main account completely isolated.

I'm in Switzerland now, and have no reservations about the 0.07 EUR transaction fee that Wise is charging me for a very good CHF-EUR exchange rate. :)

With regard to UK bank cards (debit and credit) issued by major UK high street banks, The Warden's statement isn't too broad, nor general and requires no clarification. Main UK high street banks charge excessive fees for non UK financial transactions. This was the case long before Brexit was even a concept too.

Many of the remaining regulars on this group are UK based.

Cards from other countries may indeed have varying mileages.

I use a Starling Bank (online only) card and app, similar to a "Wise" and "Revolut" card, mentioned by others, and get all the "fair" exchange rates and no fees benefits (although I've heard from friends that Revolut is now also starting to squeeze customers for fees).

I use Wise. Very simple, no additional fees, and you even get a percentage of the amount of money you have on your account. They're awesome, to be honest.

N26 / Bunq is also a great alternative. techwear-division.com

All well and good until you travel in a country where places accepting cards are limited or rare and most transactions are cash.

Where you can use it in the ATM to draw out local currency ....

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When I look at the terms for this card, it appears I'd be limited to a couple of hundred US$ withdrawals per month. That's not much of a backup plan for travel in areas where plastic cards are seldom accepted. Am I missing something?

@markhaf,

For my Malaysian Wise card, there are no restrictions on cash withdrawal. The caveat is that only 2 transactions and limited to a certain amount are free.
Thereafter, you can withdraw whenever you like but you have to pay a fee.

The Wise card is also easy to send funds to someone to their local bank account . I paid for my bike rentals in Chiang Mai and Hanoi using Wise by transferring the amount to their local bank account. They receive the funds within a few minutes.
I wanted to pay for the bike rental in Angeles City, Philippines using Wise but the bike rental shop owner was fussy so I just used cash.

That way, I don't have to carry a huge amount of cash for the bike rental with me.

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Mark:

I don't know if you are referring to a specific brand of card, such as the 'Wise' card that keeps popping up in this discussion, or debit cards in general.

I don't know anything about Wise cards and had never heard of them until reading this discussion.

So far as debit cards in general go (cards issued by your home bank that you can use to make ATM withdrawals), the limit on the amount of money you can withdraw in any one day is set by your home bank. So talk to your home bank and have them establish a daily limit that meets your needs.

Before I retired, it was common for me to be in up to 60 different countries a year, and 5 to 7 countries in any one week - I delivered new aircraft from the factory to customers all over the world. I never once had a problem withdrawing cash from an ATM in any country, and I visited a lot of hole-in-the-wall Third World countries.

I had a daily withdrawal limit equal to CAD $5,000 (about USD $4,000, €4,000). I needed it this high because I occasionally had to pull out large amounts of cash to handle government fees that I would get surprised with along the way. In some locations, I found that individual ATMs would limit my daily withdrawals to about $1,000, but if I went to a different bank ATM, I could continue to make withdrawals up to my daily limit.

TL;DR: Make arrangements with your local bank - the bank that issued your ATM card - to have the daily withdrawal limit set to an amount that meets your needs.

Ah, I see that's the way it works from the US, too. I'll have to run some numbers and consider some hypotheticals to find out when it might be worthwhile.

I was referring to the Wise card, which I'd never heard of either. It appears there are some advantages, but I'm not (yet) convinced it would be worth dealing with another option after credit and debit cards.

Funny that it never occurred to me to talk to my debit card banks about this. Can't hurt (in the absence of an express kidnapping), and would certainly be handy at times.

Mark

Although you wrote that line in jest (I assume), it is something that is worth thinking about.

After I retired, I had the bank lower the daily maximum withdrawal limit on my card to CAD $500 (about USD 400, Euro 400) because I no longer have any need to withdraw more than that each day, and there is no point in having such a high daily limit.

I'm not too concerned about kidnapping, more about card-cloning and the risk of someone shoulder-surfing my PIN.

Michael

In summary - any card which uses the VISA network, ought to work in any other country for ATM withdrawals and purchases, but as has been suggested: if you are planning on using your domestic card abroad, then inform your bank of the countries you intend to visit and also agree a daily limit (this is so the bank doesn't automatically freeze your card thinking it may have been cloned and is being used abroad). Note that if you bank online, then typically any pre-agreed card limit can be changed or even the card frozen if required (were it lost or stolen for example) while you're travelling.

However, if you're going away for an extended period, it makes sense to have a 'dedicated' travel account (not debiting from your main personal domestic account, which if hacked/cloned or the card stolen, could lead to a lot of further financial headaches you don't need!) - either a second card/account with your domestic bank, or with one of the third party international 'banks' like Wise, who - as has been pointed out - differ fundamentally in that they are not actually making international transfers in the tradition sense, rather they hold the credited/deposited amount of money in their own account in the respective country, and allow their users to draw on those funds as if they were a domestic customer, based on the overall deposit balance you made with them initially. While there is a modest percentage cost/charge for their service, it avoids all the other transaction fees - which is why Wise is also a good option if you have move/spend larger amounts of money in a different country to your own - for example purchasing a vehicle, or paying a large bill of some other kind.

Personally I do not have a Wise [debit/credit] card, as I'm not travelling so much between lots of different countries/currencies anyway these days, but have certainly used them in the past for transferring larger amounts of money between bank accounts in respective countries.

Jx

In Morocco the daily withdrawal limit is set by the local bank at 2000dH. Sometimes if you are fast you can get another withdrawal the same day.

The general gist of this discussion is you need to be aware of what your bank charges for foreign transactions, either at an atm or using the card. There are cheaper alternatives but many limit how many cheap transactions or cash withdrawals you get per month. There are also some like Starling that have no limit.

The solution to that problem is to go to a different bank (different brand of bank) and withdraw another 2,000 dH from the different bank. I've done that before.

To be more precise, the two most common "network names" (card alliance names for ATM withdrawals) are 'Cirrus' and 'Maestro'. Check on the back of your home bank card and you will likely see one or both of those network logos on the back of the card. That indicates that the card will work at all ATMs within that network.

Michael

As Michael points out, it's not the VISA affiliation, but rather mostly Cirrus or Maestro which matters for ATM withdrawals. I'll admit total ignorance about the other logos I see on some of my debit cards--Moneypass, NYCE, Plus, Co-Op, Pulse.

And because this is an international group, it's worth staying aware of whole countries where our cards will not work--Russia and North Korea, obviously, but depending on your country of origin the list might expand to include parts of Sudan, Syria, Cuba, Iran, Donetsk and Crimea, and lots more. Specific banks sometimes blacklist extensively--I saw one US bank which lists over 50 countries in which your credit/debit transactions would be refused. Then there are countries where it's sometimes difficult to find banks which accept foreign cards--Brazil is notable, but again there are lots of others in different degrees.

All of which makes it difficult to offer simple answers to the OP's question, which was some version of "What banks and credit cards do you use when traveling internationally?" The major miracle is that the handful of cards I have in my desk drawer will carry me almost anywhere I want to go, with just a few exceptions which are largely quite predictable. And when the system doesn't serve me (using an non-chipped American card to try and buy gasoline or a train ticket in France 10 or 12 years ago, or violating the so-called "Trading with the Enemy Act" a few years after that), there are usually loopholes available for the persistent.

Prior to the start of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, the list of countries where you could not use foreign cards to make ATM withdrawals was pretty short: Sudan and North Korea were the only two that I was aware of.

Since the beginning of the Russia-Ukraine conflict, the list has expanded quite a bit, in almost all cases as a result of sanctions imposed by the US Government (to be specific, the US Department of the Treasury). Because the ATM networks (Cirrus & Maestro) have a significant presence in America, they are obliged to comply with US sanctions. This affects everyone worldwide - doesn't matter if your card is issued by a Canadian or European bank, if the Americans have imposed sanctions, you won't be able to access Cirrus & Maestro services in the sanctioned countries.

Venezuela might also be on the sanctions list, not because of any conflict but because the Americans are pissed off at Venezuela.

You can get a better idea of what countries are being sanctioned by looking at the US Department of the Treasury website.

That might just be a choice made by a specific US bank because they don't want to have to deal with the risk of fraudulent transactions from those countries - not unlike, for example, the eBay & Amazon sellers who decline to sell or ship anything to a long list of countries (Nigeria comes to mind) because they have had too many fraud problems originating in those countries in the past. It's not a sanctions issue.

Michael