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UK to AUS via China - interest so far.
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Got your message thank you. Have a look at the link below - it was sent to me by 'MOGGY' and this route is something like the trip I would like to make no matter which direction. Regarding China - either Silk Road or Tibet. Mongolia so far has not come into the mix. London to Australia If I was to start in UK I would like to get going late spring and meet up with 'grifpeterson' and others to cross China. So far 'MOGGY', 'Tomos', 'TomBon 865' and 'grifpeterson' have expressed interest. Your estimates of costs and timeframes are about right - can be done a lot cheaper but it is a once in a lifetime thing and to be enjoyed. Cheers David |
Small force to be reckoned with indeed!
Shall be weighing up the costs and talking it over today. We will try and nut it out quickly to avoid mucking anyone around. Cheers! |
Response to tradern
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Don't rush your deliberation - I'm very much chilled - what will be will be. David |
At this point of discussion (we had a lazy day here in Siam Reap) we have realised we would have to miss out on Russia if we went this way. As we both want to do wheelies with Putin in Moscow this is going to knock us out.
As if we went East to Vlad we will be riding back to do Europe anyway. If we go west towards the EU we then will have gnarly Russian weather by the time we finish in Europe. Argghh... Should have planned this all a little better... beer |
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Trip-End-Of-The-World - this guy went through and only had troubles because he had a gopro on the helmet, got chased down by police but all was good in the end. Aus gov tends to be overly pessimistic about these things. Mostly just covering their asses I think and so they can turn around and say they warned you if you ask for consular assistance if you get in the shit with the authorities etc. |
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Cheers David |
Missing out on Russia
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David |
China - guide costs
For information of those considering the trip. Received another quote for the China leg of the trip. Costs appear to be fairly uniform across most guide companies.
Tour price for self-drive based on 2pax2motorbikes+1pax1car(with a seat for guide) in May 2013: USD12622,- per group Tour price for self-drive based on 3pax3motorbikes+1pax1car(with a seat for guide) in May 2013: USD14349,- per group Included Full set of vehicle import documents/paper works in China for self drive Arrival check in at Chinese customs and exit customs handling to Laos Chinese temporary drivers license and temporary vehicle plate/tag Vehicle inspection fees after entry China Vehicle liability insurance fees and the third-party insurance fees in China Informed English speaking guide as the liaison to be at your service during the tour Wages to the liaison guide includes hotel accommodations and daily meal supply Chinese ordinary travel accidental injury insurance for travelers Excluded All visa fees Meals and hotel accommodations in China Fares of China toll road, bridge and tunnel access charges when applicable Tip to your national guide Sightseeing tickets and admission fees for tours, excursions and trips Personal expenses and persons issues such as drinking water, phone call, shopping etc. International travel insurance, Chinese commercial vehicle insurance, first-aid charge and charges of emergency evacuation; car fuel/gasoline in China and Car fix and repair fees All the service not mentioned in the inclusions and itinerary As you can see the costs are NOT calculated simply by dividing the total cost by the number of riders. As per the quote above for an additional bike and rider there is a $620 cost saving per person. Cheers David |
Heading East 2013 - China Crossing
Hi David,
I just came across your post and I have similar issues regarding the China crossing. I intend to start from Germany next year in May, going to Mongolia, and from there south to Nepal/India via China. I guess I would be in China in July/August. Let me know, which way you are going and whether you will start in UK ... Best Regards Jens |
Mongolia?
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Thank you for your message. Starting out from Germany you probably will pass through Russia enroute to Mongolia? The route I am discusing with others and pretty much decided on does not involve Mongolia. My route, at this stage should I decide on UK to AUS, passes through Turkey, the stans and then Kashgar. Cheers David |
Clever bastards! Keeping the costs up even though we add more people to the group. I like simple mathematics, but of course, they're Chinese, they practically "invented" it, huh? So they can do whatever they want! ;-) Hmm..
I'll try to find more people to join, but unless the costs per person doesn't get under $1000 I can't afford it. Then I'll ship the bike instead... IF you go south to north, that is... |
China costs
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Judging by the last quote the costs are down to $3,587 USD per vehicle assuming four vehicles with a seat for the guide. When I first started looking the cost for me travelling alone was in the vicinity of $14,000 USD. The quotes appear to indicate that the cost of Chinese insurance, licence fees and vehicle tags per vehicle is high. When I compare the cost of three vehicles v's four vehicles the costs per vehicle reduce by about $600 only. That is why I have been canvassing for other interested riders to join forces with. I have asked for quotes from every guide company found on the internet. Don't think the cost per rider will ever get down to less than a $1,000 USD though. If you find anything please let me know. David |
Yeah, it was maybe a bit naive to think I'd get away with it THAT "cheap"... we'll see how much I manage to scrape together until spring... Thanks a lot for checking so thoroughly!
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Hi Jens, Re your preferred route I think we share almost the same timing and route, I see David has found groups traveling from Kyrgyzstan to Laos and also Laos north to the Stans. David are you aware of any groups traveling Mongolia to Laos?.
Thanks Jimmy "I just came across your post and I have similar issues regarding the China crossing. I intend to start from Germany next year in May, going to Mongolia, and from there south to Nepal/India via China. I guess I would be in China in July/August. Let me know, which way you are going and whether you will start in UK ... Best Regards Jens" |
Possible group with 4x4 travelling Mongolia to Laos September 2013
I have received a reply from Tibetriesen. They have an inquiry from a 4x4 wishing to transit China ( Mongolia to Laos) in september 2013. There is a possibility to join the group and share costs.
If you travel alone, a working vehicle for our guide is needed, it should be much more expensive. It is on the best you can travel with another vehicle. From Sept. 2013 we have an inquiry for the routing like below. Maybe you can join in. Itinerary English version: Mogolia - Erlianhaote – Xian – Sichuan - Yunnan - Mohan – Laos in 23 days: Day01 Entry in China through Erlianhaote (also Ehrenhot) Morning enter China via Mohan border, after custom formalities drive to hotel. 2N at 4*Haifeng Hotel Day02 Erlianhaote: completion of formalities. Day03 Erlianhaote – Uangab (353km). 1N at 3*Bihai Hotel Day05 Great Wall by Badaling: Wandering. Day06 Badaling – Huailai - Xuanhua - Datong (280km in 3.50 St.). 2N at 4*Yugang International Hotel Day07 Datong: Yungang caves, Nine-Dragon-Wall. Huayan monastery, Hongqi Market. Day08 Datong – Hunyuan - Yingxian (141km in 2.30 St.): On the way you can visit wood pagode in Yinxian and hanging monastery in Hunyuan. 1N in Yingxian Day09 Yingxian - Taiyuan (250km in 3.20 St.): Drive to Taiyuan. On the way visit Jinci Tempel. 1N at 4*Shanxi Grand Hotel Day10Taiyuan – Yuci– Altstadt Pingyao – Jiexiu – Linfen (255km in 3 St.): You can visit old city Pingyao (UNESCO). 1N in Linfen Day11 Linfen – Houma – Yuncheng – Weinan - Xian (390km in 5.15 St.). 2N at 4*Grand New World Hotel Day12 Xian: Terracotta Warriors, Big Wild Goose Pagoda and City Wall, Morschee. Day13 Xian – Hanzhong(356km in 7 St.). 1N in Hanzhong Day14 Hanzhong - Guangyuan (Mingyuexia, Thousand-Buddha-Fresco) (184km in 4 St.). 1N at 3*Guangyuan Hotel Day15Guangyuan (Huangze Si Tempel) – Mianyang – Panda Zoo - Chengdu (158km in 3 St.). 2N at 4*Wuhou Express Holiday Inn Day16 Chengdu: Qingyang Gong Tempel, Maosoleum of Du Fu, Tee drink in People’s Park, Old city wide and narrow lanes. Day17 Chengdu – Ya’an (141km in 2 hrs). 1N at 4*Beite Star and Moon Hotel Day18 Ya’an – Xichang (280km in 3 hrs). In Xichang visit slave museum, Qionghai lake, Datonglou old city). 1N at 3*Pretty Hotel Day19 Xichang – Panzhihua - Kunming (G108, 507km in 8.11 hrs). 2N at 3*Camelia Hotel Day20 Kunming: visit Qiongzhu Si Tempel, West Mountain and Dianci Lake, stone forest. Day21 Kunming – Yuxi (97km in 1.30 hrs). 1N in Yuxi Day22Yuxi – Mojiang – Pu’er - Jinghong (446km in 6.30 St.). 1N im 3*Yunti Hotel Day23 Jinghong - Mengla – Mohan (180km in 3 hrs) – Laos: Early morning drive to the border for Laos. Help with the departure formalities. End of the trip. Its a bit late in the year for me but maybe of interest to others. Jimmy46 |
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