Mongolia 2011
 

Latest plan here.

See post 1.

Mongolia 2011
 

My Buddy Is There Now And Has Peaked My Interest
I Am In States Would Need To Ship Experienced Klr To Europe
Keep Me In The Loop
Greg

Will do Greg. There's four or five expressing interested right now so hopefully we'll get a nice small group together. Aim to begin to firm up plans in October. Stay in touch.

Best

Paul

i will most likely be doing the same route around this time. Should be in the UK by April 2011 (assuming i have not run out of cash or need to stay and work in London at all) and ready to leave around May 2011.

I am reasonably prepared with maps and GPS of Western & Central Europe, Turkey and Russia. No Carnets required, and only visa which need some research is the Russian one.

keep us posted on your plans. My trip details are here http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...010-then-51237

Adrian

Hi Adrian

Will do.

Paul

Preliminary plans (for anyone interested in coming along to input into, change, reject, join for part or all etc.) are shaping up:

Start from 2nd Annual German ADV meet in Niedersolbach, Whitsun weekend, 11, 12 & 13 June 2011

Edit: See post 1 for itinerary.

I've been doing a little budgeting and reckon that the basic budget would be around $6,500 (£4,000). That's to cover fuel (19,000 kms), accommodation (82 days, camping/hostel during the week or when on the move and cheap but decent hotel at weekends or whenever stopped for a couple of days), food and personal spending money (beers, visits etc.).

The budget assumes a bike already fully prepared and equipped and doesn't take into account visa fees and miscellaneous costs such as gifts, accident/breakdown, laundry, insurance, bribes, ferries and tolls. I'd probably want access to another £1,000 or so on top to make certain that I've got all of that covered and you know what they say, "halve the kit and double the money", though baring disaster, I can't imagine this is going to be significantly more expensive.

There's five people expressing interest right now and whilst I hold no false hope that everyone doing so will come along, I do believe that we're going to get a good, small group together for part, if not all of this trip. Let me know if you're interested in coming along; I'm going to try to get the UK guys together in late September/early October for a beer and a chat, probably Dartford area as that seems central to where we each live.

Any "expert", experience-based comments on route, milage, budget etc. most welcome too.

Route
 

Hi Paul,

Just read your suggested route. Me? Plan to head through Russia/Kaz/Mongolia etc and on to Vladivostok so unfortunately right dates, just wrong place for travel meet. All best to you and others who meet up.

Chris

I'm still in Paul....:DI even bought a Mongolian phrase book on Monday to show willing, although I suspect I'll need to do a bit more prep than that!

Belle

Excellent, Belle! I've signed up for a Russian class. We'll have to try to get together for a chat maybe end of September. I'll pm you and the others some dates.

Mongolia, Eastern Russia
 

Interestingly, I have been dreaming of setting up similar trip in 2010. as it turned out, not finding suitable riding partner, I vent for 6 weeks in Morocco. 10'000Km of which about 5'000k of "piste" in Morocco. Needless to say it was great but lots of hard work with my heavy BMW R1200GS Adventure.

Right, your idea of a small group is well in line with my dream project. Unless of course, if having a Swiss in the team is a major showstopper...

I Wouls appreciate bein included in the conversation loop. I may be able to fit in a trip to UK for first meeting.

Best
JB (jean_bernard)

Hi JB

Swiss no problem at all, all are welcome who can be part of a team. I´m in Estonia right now doing a little tour of the Baltic but I´ll keep you posted about Mongolia when I get back in early September.

late reply but can you iclude me in the loop,

wanted to do this trip for some time, yet cant find anyone to do it!

will be on a xt660z tenere, ready for an adventure...pm me

:scooter:

Will do.

Hi guys, I'm from Switzerland too and planning a similar trip. I will leave switzerland in april 2011 ,so I will be a couple of month ahead of you, but as I'm not in a hurry (I have 6 months), maybe I will see you all somewhere.

I quite interested about your route, as I'm just now starting to organise mine.

Cheers

PS: JB from which part of switzerland are you? I'm from Fribourg.

Took the Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Russia to the Russian/Mongolian border at Tsaanaguur route in july this year with a Yam 750 super ténéré / sidecar; it's a wonderful trip, so enjoy :funmeteryes:! Most beautiful part was from Tsaganuur through the mountains to Ulaangom, around the lakes and not the main road :thumbup1::thumbup1::thumbup1:.

:thumbup1: May have some questions for you if you don't mind.

Hi Paul,

Andrew from Australia here.

Russell and I plan to do the London to Hong Kong route exactly (or near to it) that you are doing. However we are leaving in May 2011.

We arrive in the UK on the 14th May and will set out shortly thereafter after meeting all the rellies (wife is from the IOW). We are doing the ride to raise money for breast cancer.

Unsure if we can join up along the way, but would sure be fun. Plan to be in Hong Kong on July 14th or thereabouts. China proving very problemtatic and costly, so route may change (Turkey-Iraq-Pakistan-India-Nepal-Vietnam-Cambodia-Thailand-Malaysia-Singapore-Oz si the alternative).

Can you please keep me in the loop for your planning and dates.

Cheers,
Andrew

Hi Andrew

Certainly will. Even if we don't meet up on route, maybe we can give you a send off from the UK.

Best.

Paul

Ps. i'm guessing you mean Iran, not Iraq!

Hello Everyone. My name is Roberto and i am planning to go to Mongolia as well. My plans is to leave from Italy in May 2011. I am on my own right now, but would like to partner with someone. An idea would be to proceed to Magadan ( Siberia )the following year.

Ciao Roberto

You'll be a month ahead of us but maybe we'll see you on route!

I would love to come.
 

Can you send me a bit more info on the route this sounds like my dream come true.

I have been wanting to do this trip for a few years now but just never had money, time or freedom in the right ratios.beer

I have an old domintor with bars, racks, large tank and the always needed sheepskin.

also not sure i have got enough riding experience.:mchappy:

Anyone thinking on leaving In May ? :scooter::scooter::scooter:

Hi. No firm routes as yet but provisional route from Neidersolbach is through Germany, Poland, Belarus (subject to getting visas) and Ukraine into Russia then Lipetsk, Penza, Ufa and Chelyabinsk and up to Kamensk-Uralskiy for the Russian Sidecar Motocross GP, provisionally set for July 10th (to be confirmed later this month). From there it'll be to Tyumen, Omsk, Novosibirsk and Barnaul to the Mongolian Border near Tsagaannuur. No plan yet for Kazakhstan but we hope to get down to Almaty and the Aral Sea before heading back through Ukraine, Moldova, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia and Czech Rep.

Don't worry too much about your riding experience; I've only been riding for four years myself.

Hi people, I just want to keep this post alive. Is there any of you planning the trip to Mongolia in May or June 2010 ?
Cheers

Mongolia
 

Hi,

is there still time to join this trip, I will need to confirm time off from work and if all is ok with that then I am definate. Please let me know if you're ok with this.

Thanks, Paul.

:clap:

Hi Paul

Yes, still on and not too late. We'll be firming up exact dates and details in the next two weeks or so but they wont change dramatically; Whitsun weekend to end-August.

Mongolia
 

Paul,

I have submitted a career break request with work, is there any chance we could meet up for a chat about the trip and kind of riding your planning.
I cannot e-mail you direct as I have not got enough post, could you please mail meand then hopefully I will be able to reply.

Cheers, Paul. :scooter:

PM sent!

Back from work wanting to know if there is any new information? Would love to get involved in the planning process. Also any idea of overall budget?

PM sent!

hello fellow travellers!
I just read the thread I must say sound most exciting! I wanted to go to china next year but i heard the roads are very expensive there and the way tru russia isnt that safe to travel alone :(
Is there room for one more adventurer?
Im a young lad at the age of 24, I got my trusty XT660R with travelgear and im awaiting the next big thing ;D

Cheers
Joseph

Hi Joseph! Yes, of course. I'll send a PM with contact details.

Several of you have asked for more details of our “Mongolia 2011” trip so I thought I’d collate what we’ve got so far to see if you want to come along. This is not an itinerary; it’s an idea. It can and will be changed based on others ideas and input and how we fare once on the road. It represents what I and, I think, what Belle want to achieve within the timescale that we’ve got.

Rendezvous at the ADVrider 2nd Annual German Meet Whitsun weekend, 11, 12 & 13 June 1011, at Niedersolbach, near Siegen in Germany. Camp or take a bunk at €15 per night inc. breakfast, bring your own food to barbeque, beer €1! You can ride out or use the time to relax and make any last-minute preparations for the trip.

Weeks One & Two (14th to 25th June): Eastern Europe
Ride c.3000km (average 180 miles per day based on riding five days out of seven, camping or using hostels in when riding, finding hotels when stopped) from Niedersolbach to Lipetsk in Russia via Poland, Belarus and Ukraine

Approximate route:
Hannover, Magdeburg, Poznan, Lodz, Brest, Minsk, Kiev, Kharkov, Belgorod & Voronezh

Things to consider:
• Cost of and difficulty to obtain Belarus visa
• Autobahn, ‘A’ roads or “back roads” through Europe?
• Visit Brest War Memorial, Białowieża Forest, Mir Castle, Lipetsk
• Low daily mileage gives the opportunity to get ahead of schedule
• ADVrider ‘Anton’ lives in Lipetsk and is offering support

Weeks Three & Four (26th June to 9th July): Russia & Siberia
Ride c.4000km (250 miles per day) from Lipetsk to Barnaul in Russia

Approximate route:
Penza, Samara, Ufa, Chelyabinsk, Kurgan, Omsk & Novosibirsk

Things to consider:
• There’s not much to see so maybe keep going and get ahead of schedule meaning more likelihood of achieving more later on

Weeks Five & Six (10th to 23nd July): Mongolia
Ride c.1600km (100 miles per day) from Barnaul to Rubtsovsk via Western Mongolia

Approximate route:
Biysk, Aktash, Tashanta, Tsagaannuur, Ulaangom, Khovd, Olgii, Tsagaannuur, Aktash & Tashanta

Things to consider:
• Visit Uvs Nuur Basin
• Ride an additional 1000km loop extending the Mongolian section of the ride from Ulanngom to Baruuntaruun, Uliastai and Altai before returning to Khovd

Weeks Seven & Eight (24th July to 6th August): Central Asia
Ride c.4000kms (250 miles per day) from Rubtsovsk to Samarqand in Uzbekistan via Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan & Tajikistan

Approximate route:
Semey, Almaty, Osh, Pamir Highway & Dushanbe

Things to consider:
• Visit Almaty & Samarqand
• Time needed to get visas in Almaty
• Political situation in Kyrgyzstan
• Possibility of overnight trip from Sary-Tash to Kashgar in China
• If behind schedule, cut for home from either Almaty or Sary-Tash

Weeks Nine & Ten (7th to 20th August): Three Seas
Ride c.4000kms (250 miles per day) from Samarqand to Donets’k in Ukraine via Kazakhstan & Russia

Approximate route:
Tashkent, Shymkent, Turkestan, Baikonur, Aralsk, Atyrau & Astrakhan

Things to consider:
• Visit Aral Sea, Caspian Sea, Black Sea
• Political situation in Dagestan
• The Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Turkey, Bulgaria route
• The Turkmenistan, Iran, Turkey, Bulgaria route

Weeks Eleven & Twelve (21st to 31st August): Central Europe
Ride c.4000kms (250 miles per day) from Donets’k to Paris via Moldova, Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic & Germany

Approximate route:
Odessa, Chisinau, Bucharest, Transfăgărăşan, Budapest, Bratislava & Prague

Things to consider:
• Visit Crimea, Odessa, Chisinau, Budapest, Prague
• Political situation in Transdniester
• Where do individuals cut for home
• Six-day maximum overrun from 1st to 6th September

PM me your email address for more information.

Just bumping as a "final call" to anyone interesting in joining us.

Mongolia April 2011
 

Hi, sorry to jump in on your posts/forum here - would love to join but wrong time of year for me.

Is anyone out there able to do London to Mongolia April 2011? appreciate short notice but any takers?

Cheers

Craig Vaughan

Not so lone wolf
 

I normally go out of my way to travel alone, but have reached a point where a bit of company now and again would be appreciated. It would be nice to keep in touch with some other motorcyclists doing Mongolia/Central Asia this summer.

I set off late May early June and do a very convoluted route through Russia, Mongolia, the 'Stans', into China and Tibet (end Aug), exit to Laos (end of Sept). I don't do cities or hotels too often, but it would be nice to swap tales of daring do and share the occasional beer.:mchappy:

Hi Les

It would be great to meet up and share a beer and tall stories en route if we're close. As you say, let's stay in touch and see what transpires. We're a definite three with maybe and hopefully a fourth.

Hey Wildman,
I'm heading to Magadan this summer, & will be crossing Mongolia somewhat close to the same time as you, its possible we'll meet up on the way. I'll be heading east from Bulgaria after the HU meeting we're hosting there at the end of May, taking the southern route thru the 'stans. I hope to cross MGL the first couple weeks of July.

I'd suggest on your route back, you cut across the southern tip of Moldova, on the main road from Odessa to Bucharest. That way you will bypass Transneister. I wouldnt suggest going thru there without a local to travel with.

Doug

Hi Doug

That would be brilliant if we can meet up on the road and thanks for the tip re Transdneister; good to know.

Safe travels!

Paul

Skip Transneister
 

Hi,
good luck on your trip :)

Totally agree with rtwdoug, skip Transneister. I'm from Romania and heard several reports last year of people having trouble at the border (bribes amounting to hundreds of euros). The main road from Odessa to Bucharest is good, I did it twice last year. When in Romania in the central are or near Bucharest, PM me, maybe we can have a beer or have a ride. Also if you need info on places to see/ride, send a mesege anytime.

Best of luck,
Adrian

Cool! Good to know. We'll hopefully have time for the Transfagarasan which will bring us down your way.

Hi!
I just thought to mention if you are looking for places to do maintenance for your bikes and perhaps buy some spare parts and get broken luggage frames of those humangous, metal boxes there is good bike mechanic Viktor in Russia/Barnaul Мотохаус22 - Мототехника: ремонт, продажа, запчасти - О компании His wife Lena speaks good english and you can find them through that website or you can go to Biker Bar in Barnaul and they can hook you up.

Sami

Thanks Sami. Is this a good place to get tyres?

There is a guy in Moscow who runs tyreshop. I need to check his information from Northern Asia section but he is mentioned there. He can deliver tyres to any major cities of Russia and i am sure Victor can also get tyres for you beforehand.

This is the guy:
Denis Panferov.
dean@blackbird.ru buy@motorezina.ru ICQ:645-2793
Tel:+7-495-507-9530; Cell:+7-925-507-9530

Russian Honda Blackbird - all about Blackbirds
[url=http://www.motorezina.ru]MOTOREZINA.RU -

Victor also does oil changes and he has Motul oil in his shop so there is no need to carry extra change oil.

+2 for Russia, Mongolia and the Stans this summer...

We are from Portugal and we will be leaving by mid may.
Keep in touch.

Cheers

In the area
 

Wildman,

Gonna be headed in the other direction this summer-


Eastern Europe in May

Turkey in June

Russia-Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan-Russia in July/Early August


Perhaps we'll cross paths in Kazakhstan, maybe share info on road conditions etc and maybe even some beer

keep in touch

Jake

Excellent, Jake! Be great to meet up. Are you travelling alone?

Yes, except for in Turkey. How many are you now?

Also, looking at your itinerary, I see that I will probably (plan to be) be just a few days ahead of you returning to Europe. From Almaty I'll head north to Russia and make my way to the Ukraine.

I plan to be back in Frankfurt by August 24th, but its very possible I'll be behind at that point and it'd be great to ride along for a few days on the way back if we find ourselves in the same area,

Let me know!

Jake

Hello Wildman,

Sounds really good and hence I would be really interested in coming on board but can you just tell me which countries I will need a Visa for as I see you have completed a great deal work in fashioning your plans and itinerary. Also is there a requirement for a carnet. I will be coming from the UK.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Kindest regards

Ikram

We're a definite two (Belle and I), maybe three (Paul H has some challenge getting time off but still hopes to come along), meeting up with a fourth in Ukraine. We've also got a couple of possible rendezvous en route to ride together for part of the journey.

Hi Ikram

No need for a carnet but you'll need visas for Russia, Mongolia and Kazakhstan before you leave (and Belarus if we plan to do it); we'll get others that we might need en route. We haven't got them yet and should really get round to doing that in the next few weeks (I'm holding things up as I'm moving house next month and I want to get the same address on everything).

Best

Paul

Cheers buddy for that info, so now tell me the exact dates if possible so that I can see if its a possibility or a definite, I'm out of the country mid to late March to return back around mid April but I'm guessing that with Visa's still enroute the plan is to leave maybe June/July.

Ikram

'The mind is on a constant odyssey but the body is still to catch up'

Dates still as originally planned here. Outside chance of me having to ask others to delay departure by three weeks or try to catch up; should know tomorrow.

Is there a chance you will be leaving end of june? I was interested but I can't go until 1st of July (till August 31). To catch up 3 weeks is a lot of riding!:innocent:

Hi!

We leave mid-June but, as I said above, there's a chance I'll have to delay by a couple of weeks but if I do, I probably won't return until mid-September as it's a big ride for only eight weeks. That said, there's some short cuts built in. Got the meeting tomorrow to decide if I have to work in late-June or early-September so let's wait and see.

Best

Paul

Morning!

We ride from the Easter Weekend from Germany to Vladivostok, but we take the southern Route over the Stans and Mongolia.

My Wife and i ride on two KTM LC 4 Adventure, the blue orange ones...

See you on the Road1

cheers

Bernd

May see you on the road...

I leave UK Easter Monday. Across Europe, Belarus, Russia (Volgograd for Victory Day parade), Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia and up to Magadan...

Back across Trans Siberian from Vladivostok... or maybe across Pacific to ride across USA again...

Safe journey

Simon
Moto-Mondo

Hi Bernd

I hope you and Heidi have a great and safe ride and hopefully we'll see you en route. You too Simon!

Paul

There's a chance we may be in the Barnaul area round about the same time Paul...

All being well I'm taking the Pamir Highway route through Tajikistan and cutting back up to Barnaul - sort of your route home I believe...

Think I may be in Barnaul 20th / 25th June

Simon

Hi Folks,

we are entering Russia on 7.5. near St.Petersburg, than Moskow, going south to the Krim in the Black Sea. Elbrus, Az and the Ferry to Turkmenistan over the Kaspian Sea will be good Spots on our Way to the Door to the Hell in Turkmenistan.

Our Usbekistan Visa runs from the 1.6., we hope we are in Mongolia on the 1.8. and when we are in Time, we are in Vlad mid September. We hope so....but: in the Moment, nowbody knows, whats about Japan in September...

Anyway, see you on the Road soon! jeiger

cheers Bernd

ps: sorry, but my english writing is not the best

@Wildman
Any news on your departure date?
Gr,
Vincent

Hi Vincent

Won't be confirmed until end of next week but looking very likely we're sticking with the original dates. If that's the case, it'll be a shame for you if you can't get away before 01 July since, as you say, 3 weeks is a long time to make up.

I really didn't want this aggravation but it's the biggest business deal I've ever done in this line of work and whilst the client knows I plan to be away and respects what I'm doing, I can't afford to lose the contract. I think they'll wait until I'm back in September and failing that I can offer alternative resources but if it comes to an ultimatum of me in June or forget it, I can't afford to forget it.

I'll let you know as soon as I do.

Paul