RAC withdraws from issueing Carnets on Dec 31, 2015
 

I called the RAC Carnet department today, as i need to extend my carnet for the second time - third Carnet. During the call, the lady i was talking to tole me that: From the 31st December, the RAC in the UK will no longer be issueing carnets!

To renew i would need to go to a EU club to be issued with a carnet

I'm going to see if i can do this now!

This is good news I think.

Because the reason we can't go direct to ADAC is because there is a UK provider.

Fingers crossed...

I can confirm this is the case we were advised by the FIA a few weeks back of these changes but were not able to confirm this publicly at the time.

You were quick with your pertition email Martin! bier

My application for an ADAC carnet is in the post. Hopefully they can expedite as i'll ideally need it in 2 weeks after i've not had response from the RAC for over 3 weeks...

Yesssssssssssss!!!!
I almost cried with excitement when I saw and read the news in the Overland Sphere FB page. I am so happy.
I travel at very low costs as I only work 60 days a year and I can now afford to get out if the EU again.
Next up is to get the uk insurance agencies to insure vehicles as standard for Morocco - LIKE ALL OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRYS GET!!!!!

Great the ADAC are much more reliable :-) , As you can imagine i am quite happy the RAC are stopping... but needed to wait for them to tell someone publicly first before issuing the update!

RAC Statement.
 

Statement from Rent A Clown here: Carnet de Passage | Application Form | RAC Driving Information | RAC

ADAC form in English
 

https://www.adac.de/reise_freizeit/r...cePageId=19976

I just followed from the link to ADAC to the above and finally understood the process. The RAC version was unfathomable and probably written by an insurance lawyer with an accountant standing over him .

Andy

Already on an RAC carnet
 

We've been on an RAC carnet for the past 4 years. They emailed the other day to tell me this good news.
I'm just hoping that ADAC won't have a problem issuing a carnet for a vehicle already overseas.....
We have until May so plenty of time to work it out.
Has anyone compared the various organisations that we can now go to?
Ian

I have talked to Carol from the RAC (carnet@rac.co.uk) who says the RAC will not object to anyone who wishes to apply to another organisation.

Until the end of this year, Anna from the ADAC (cdp@adac.de) still needs written confirmation from the RAC, which Carol has helpfully obliged with.

There were NO questions asking about the current location of the vehicle...

For me it's a big cash win compared to the RAC. Last year, on a £5k motorcycle i paid £1900 and hope to see ~£1000 back - a cost of ~£900.

For the ADAC carnet, i'm paying:
1500 Euro deposit
295 Euro fee (per year)
3.50 Euro postage or ~53.91 Euro courier (i took the latter being in a hurry)

I will get 1500 Euro back, giving me a cost of ~£250.

That equates to over a month of good living! beer

Hi guys, I know it's an older thread but it seems to be the best informed on the ADAC replacing RAC Carnet situation.

Does anyone know the process of securing a bank guarantee for the ADAC Carnet? Anna from ADAC told me that the security deposit can most likely only be issued by a German Bank, and she was not sure if the bank would issue the gurantee seen as I am a UK resident as opposed to a German.

Has anybody gone the ADAC route and secured a bank guarantee?

We are looking at 2 Carnets for full security deposit so coughing up a 6000 Euro deposit isn't an ideal situation to get our Carnets issued :(

Any ideas guys?

Cheers!

People have talked about the bank guarantee and the deposit options to secure a CDP through the ADAC - but does anybody know if they offer the insurance indemnity option like the RAC used to?

Any conclusion to the bank guarantee option? Any successful applicants?

And by insurance indemnity do you mean for the vehicle? or for the deposit itself?

Insurance indemnity (for the vehicle itself):

From memory, the RAC ask for the value of the vehicle. They then multiply that figure by the highest import tax of all of the countries you are going through, then ask for 10% of that figure (or something like that).

Upon handing the CDP back you get a certain amount back. I can't remember the breakdown of figures but it something similar to that.

You got 50% of the insurance back once the carnet had been successfully cleared with the RAC. No other country seems to operate the insurance scheme - I've discussed it with many other travellers, they have all been using deposits or bank guarantees. The upside is that it's up to you to decide how much to declare as the value of the vehicle.....and you get 100% back so long as you don't do anything wrong.
We haven't applied for our next carnet yet, we will shop around as its not just the ADAC that you can go to - there's also the TCS in Switzerland, the Automobile Club in France, the Belgian RAC.....etc. Depending on your situation, one of these will certainly be cheaper than others. I've come to the conclusion that the French system looks most interesting for us.


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Can you provide a link for the French auto club where I can get more information about their Carnet's? I found a their website but it didn't seem to have any info about Carnets

Try here : https://www.automobile-club.org/tour...ages-en-douane

It's in French, but with Google translate you'll get the gist

Ian

Just a quick update on the French carnets - it seems from their documentation (I haven't spoken to them directly yet) that they prefer to send a carnet renewal to the local French embassy and you are supposed to go and collect it from there.
Not being French this could become interesting (maybe), and it means you have to be in the capital city (which we normally prefer to avoid).

Ian

Thanks for the Link. I speak french so the language isn't a problem just couldn't find the right sight. That probably would be a headache picking it up at the french embassy.

Update for anyone, like me, who is pursuing the ADAC option and hoping to securing a bank guarantee as opposed to having to shell out the deposit money up front:

Anna from ADAC is almost certain that it will NOT be possible to lodge a bank guarantee if you are not a native German as it requires the stamp of a local German branch as opposed to a UK Bank who simply has a operating branch in Germany.

Example: You may bank with HSBC for example, who has branches in Germany, but as a UK citizen you cannot lodge a bank guarantee as the German branches are not in anyway tied to the HSBC UK Banks.

Anna also said she has never heard of a UK Citizen securing a bank guarantee with ADAC.

Not great having to put up 6000 Euro from the trip fund in order to get our 2 Carnets! Uuugh!

I will try to talk to the HSBC Business Enquiry Line to see if they can perhaps set up something with the Frankfurt am Main Branch as Anna said that they so far have been the only UK Based bank to have offered a bank guarantee for ADAC, albeit to a German Citizen residing in Germany!

Can you get the "value" of the vehicle lower......? Talking to many Germans on our travels they seemed to have declared their own valuations.


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The problem with the ADAC System is that all motorcycles valued anywhere between 0 and 15,000 Euros are all charged at the same security deposit value of 3,000 Euros if you wish to use it for all Carnet requiring countries.

There is a lower deposit amount of 1,500 Euros if you wish to take a Carnet that Excludes Southern Africa, India, Egypt, Iran and a few others. No use for us as we are looking to include India, South Africa and Egypt on our trip.

Might have to shell out the 6,000 Euros in the end.

I'm going to talk to HSBC Business Enquiry Line to see if there is ANY way for them to agree to take out a bank guarantee at all.

Adac
 

Is there a direct link to the ADAC carnet department ? Thanks

Australia
 

Australia works on the insurance premium option as I have been doing it that way for the last 7 years.

Cheers
Paul

So, is there anyone who has gone down the ADAC route recently? Anyone any idea of the processing time as well?

So as I understand it, Im looking at paying a THREE THOUSAND EURO deposit, even though my motorbike is a 1996 honda cub90 valued at 500quid.

Thats a third of my budget for the entire trip (looking at doing london to japan)
There has to be a way round this!? Its basically torpedoing anyone who wants to travel on a budget?

I was hoping to leave in the next 3 months and am getting the paperwork together now.

I am a Kiwi on a French registered bike, I hold a British and Australian passport though... does this mean that I HAVE to use the French carnet, or I can use ADAC too?

I have a quick question about this.

You say motorcycles. But I presume the valuation scale you detail applies to all vehicles and not just bikes?

I operate an overland truck for commercial trips in West Africa, and will need to renew our carnet around September 2016. We used to get the insurance indemnity option through the RAC, which I understand is not available through the ADAC.

With that in mind, and knowing I don't need Iran, S Africa, Egypt and Iran, do you think we can get away with a €1,500 EUR deposit to get a CDP? In addition I presume the actual carnet fee is on top of this?

Thanks for any information!

I'm pretty sure that the rules state that if there's a carnet issuing organisation in the country in which the vehicle is registered you have to use them.
That's why we in the UK were stuck with the RAC!


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Dave,
You need to look at the ADAC website, there are different scales for different vehicles.
In our case (Unimog) I've just stumped up 5000 Euro deposit for Africa excluding Egypt. It's still better than the RAC because it's a deposit - Ie you get it back if you don't do anything untoward.


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Hi Frenchian,

Thanks for the information!

I just visited the ADAC website and downloaded the form. It appears that as I only need the CDP for West Africa (ie category 3), I can get away with a €2,500 EUR deposit - so all in all it could be worse. Hopefully that won't change between now and September!

Cheers!

Dave The Hat

I was going to go for the 2500 Eur option this year as we're not intending entering SACU, but as our plans usually shift massively we decided to keep that option open.

Ian


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I sent our application on 27th March with a request for it to be ready by 28th April. On their website they ask for at least 4 weeks notice.

Anna from ADAC has confirmed by email that it should be with me by then. Seems a great improvement over the RAC!

Ian

ADAC got the carnet back to me by 18th April - brilliant service!


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Hi Divelandy,
I am contacting you to have a feedback about your deposit from RAC.
I am having trouble to get it back since September, did you solve everything smoothly?

Thanks for your opinion

Diego

Everything was sorted easily and I've refunded my ADAC carnet also

I am looking at getting an ADAC Carnet for Iran.

Iran is 500% so the carnet amount is quite high. Too much for a cash deposit.

What other payment options are there today ? Insurance ?? Bank guarantee ???


€295 for the Carnet Document so is fair enough.

I, along with a German friend a couple of weeks ago in Hamburg enquired about a CDP with a UK address, the people at the ADAC were very friendly and made a phone call then informed me they will not be able to issue me one.

Well I guess that answers that question..

Looks like we have to use cars.com in the U.K now.

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Here's an update for those in the U.K enquiring about a Carnet.

I asked for a carnet price for Iran which is 500%. Bike value £1000.

If your bike is worth £5000 then you should probably multiply everything by five.

CARS.COM:

" Your carnet will take 3-4 weeks to issue. However, we are able to offer an express service if the document is required sooner (fees apply).

There are two fees associated with a CPD Carnet:

The Issuing fee which is dependent on the number of trips you wish to make,
£210.00 – 5 page document,
£225.00 – 10 page document
Or £250.00 – 25 page document


Your non-binding quote is based on your vehicle valuation of £1,000 for the following countries: Iran

OPTION 1 - Security/premium fee: £700 of which £250.00 is refundable once your carnet has been successfully discharged.

OPTION 2 - Cash deposit of £5500 includes a non-refundable fee of £500. We will refund £5000 once your carnet has been successfully discharged.

Ted,

Just been looking at exactly what you are asking re ADAC had some good replies just now on FB group "Overland Sphere". I guy on there offering help too. Seems you can still get one from ADAC if you push hard enough. Sounds like it depends who you deal with as in many of these situations. Looking at the ADAC website indicates the deposit is €3000 for value up to €7500 which is more useful for many people.

Thanks.. That's good to know.

The more I look into Iran the harder it seems for a British passport.

A guide is mandatory and expensive. That will ruin the whole experience :thumbdown:

Iran's been on my radar for a couple of years now but the obstacles do seen formidable. It does seem slightly ridiculous that when you clank to a halt at the border waving your UK passport you'd have to shell out for a guide whereas, arriving directly behind you and showing an Irish passport, I'd have no such restriction and could just ride off (unless things have changed since I last looked).

The other thing you'll have to come to terms with is the subsequent restriction in your ability to visit the US for five or so years under the ESTA system. You'd have to apply for a visa and convince them that you're just an innocent adventurer. As I'm currently in the midst of a batch of US bike trips that's a issue I've had to take on board. At the moment the US trumps Iran in my plans :rofl:

The Cars carnet cost is just ludicrous - about £750 vs £250 from ADAC and would be a deal breaker for me. That £500 would pay for most of the fuel for the trip. I've no idea how Cars.com work out their rates or whether they have any obligations to provide carnets but that looks similar to Amazon dealers pricing a £2 paperback at £1000 to put people off.

It's a classic case of the great British rip off....... They've got you over a barrel haven't they. Once we leave the E.U. and loose all our rights, you can only expect it to get much worse. But hey, at least we can have bendy carrots..

Why Iran treats us with such contempt is a historical one.

They call us "little Satan"... At least were not the "Great Satan". That's reserved for the USA.

Things are improving. Very slowly. The embassy is open again.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...embassy-tehran