Urgent help needed buying bike in Nanning China.
 

Hi folks, I've now arrived in Nanning from Vietnam. I have been trawling the bike shops and am getting conflicting messages from the locals re bike purchase. :helpsmilie:

1. First, it seems like 150cc is the biggest bike I can find here (although I did find a battered old CJ750 outfit which is of no interest to me). If a 150 is the biggest I can buy then I can live with that.

2. A NEW QingQi GS125 is around 5,500yuan with another 1,300yuan for rego - total 6,800yuan. Sounds good providing I can get someone to rego it in their name, but without a local interpreter I seem to be pushing up hill on that point.

3. I checked out used bikes (to get around the rego problem) and a used QingQi 125 seems to be selling for around 8-9,000yuan (these are the prices marked on the bikes and confirmed by the sellers and I've checked out over a hundred used bikes so far so it seems a little strange).
I don't understand why a used bike should sell for more than a new bike. :confused1:

I then checked out some cheaper used bikes (< 5,000yuan) and these bikes seem to have registration documents which have expired. I can't work out whether this is still Ok or not, and I have been told it is an extra 1,300yuan for another year's rego.

So in essence can any one clarify what is going on.

First, why would buyers apparently pay more for a used bike than a new one? Is there some additional cost on top of the new bike price which I have not been told about.

Second, do I need a registration document with a date into the future on it or is a bike with rego that expires in April 2008 ok?

Third, if I do need to renew the rego what is the procedure?

Many thanks for your help, this is my 3rd day in Nanning and I'm itching to hit the road asap.

Garry from Oz.

I try to answer your questions below:

Hi guys, a bit of an update for all.

First, many thanks to both Brice and Crazycarl for pointing me to Mike in Qingzhou.

Second, even more thanks to Mike for helping me out to buy a new Haobon 125 for 3,600yuan. Mike and his partner were most gracious in hosting me for the Sunday and less than 2 hours after meeting Mike for the first time I was the proud owner of the Haobon, which is unregistered with NO plates as I have 1 month in which I can ride unregistreded and this is all the time I will be in China.

I am now leaving Xian in an hour or so to head up to Beijing to get my visa for Mongolia.

To date I have travelled 2,400km in 5 days as follows:

Monday 28 April. Qinzhou to Bama (North East of Bai Se) -450 km. Beautiful ride through the mountains

Tuesday 29 April. Bama to Guiding (just outside of Guiyang) - 500km. I had a 500km oil change and minor service done on the bike at a small town near Bama - 15 mins and 10 yuan (I provided the oil). I travelled this section on the expressway - yes in Ginzhou province they let you ride on the expressway and even make you pay the toll. In Guiding the hotel owner did not know how to check me in so 5 minutes after I entered my room I had a knock on the door from 4 police officers wanting to to check my passport. They subsequently took me out to dinner and then offered me their poice bike to ride back to the hotel on. :cool4: At no time have any police asked about my lack of a licence or registration - it is of no interest to them.

Wednesday 30 April. Guiding to Chongqing - 450km. I took the expressway and was stopped by the police with flashing lights around 60km from Chongqing as apparently I had crossed the provincial border and could no longer ride on the expressway. The police escorted me another 20km to an exit and then got a primary school teacher to translate for me and show me the route into Chongqing. It was an absolute pain riding taking the country roads but much more interesting.

Thursday 1 May. Chongqing to Wanyuan - 450km. I was dreading finding my way out of Gongqing back on to the 210 North. Unable to read any local signs I chose to navigate by the sun knowing that I needed to head NNW. Amazingly enough 1.5 hours of zigzagging later later, and when I was ready to give upm I saw a sign saying 210 with an expressway picture and a diagonal bar across it. :clap:It was then an uneventful ride along the river valleys to Wanyuang apart from lots of road work and lots of diesel trucks belching black smoke. On checking into my hotel I looked in the mirror and realised why the hotel owner looked at me with trepidation. My face was almost black with dirt!

Friday 2 May - Wanyuan to Xian - 500km. This day was a killer. Lots and lots of going up and down mountains, lots of trucks and crazy drivers. Twice I had to climb mountains up to almost 3,000 metres and the poor old Haobon was running rich and has no power. A number of times I was riding flat out in 2nd gear at 30km/h trying desperately to stay ahead of trucks bearing down on me. In addition it was very cold. I eventually descended into 33C heat and made it into Xian around 8.30pm.

I have spent yesterday visiting the terracottta warriors and am now bacxk on the road. See you around. :thumbup1:

Garry from Oz.

Did you bought a bike or a jet? You fly man! :mchappy:

Glad to read that you are on the road. Have fun and whenever you can please try to share some photos of your epic trip with us.

Brice

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Way to go Garry! You're making some great time. I hope everything goes well for you in Beijing.

Glad to know the 125 is getting you around China in the kind of fashon I think you enjoy best. Remember the hard times are the ones we remember best and love the most. Go HAOBON! :thumbup1:

Sounds like the real deal there! 125 too...mad props Gare-man!

CC

Many thanks for your well wishes guys.

This is a very quick note to say that I arrived in Beijing this afternoon (yep I rode into the city) and am just doing a quick dump for you of the last 3 days of riding.

Firstly, I managed to get my GPS charged up, and a very useful device it has proven to be. The Garmin world map actually has a fair amount of detail of the country roads, but a major issue is that the Chinese are constantly rebuilding and moving the roads so I would often confuse myself and backtrack because I was not ON the route as per the Garmin. I eventually woke up and realised that as long as I was heading in roughly the same direction, I could be up to 10km off the route without problems.

Day 1 (1/2 day) Xian to Lingbao - 300km.
Much easier riding now that I'm back on the flat lands. Easy 1/2 day ride with no hassles except for constant roadworks and crazy truck drivers.

Day 2 Lingbao to Xinxiang - 450km.
More easy riding - great to cross the Yellow River on the G107, then at 6.10pm I feel the Haobon start to lose power (not as if it has a lot to begin with :)). 2km ahead is a fuel services stop so I keep riding and then pullover. As I slow way down, something feels a little odd and I look down to confirm the rear is flat. Fortunately the services had a tyre repair centre (for cars and trucks) and they pulled the tyre to find a 2" nail and a totally shredded tube. :eek3:

The repair guy went off somewhere (into town I think) and half an hour later
had a new tube, and I showed him how to remove the wheel so we could replace it. 15 minutes later I'm back on the road and pulled into Xinxiang for the night.

Day 3 to Xinxiang to Dingzhou - 450km.
A little bit tougher today as there are frequent road works and it is really bumpy and dirty in parts. Going well till around 2.30pm when all of a sudden the suspension starts to feel not quite right. Pull over to confirm my second rear puncture in two days of riding. This time I'm well away from any towns and the thought of pushing is not appealling. I discover that the little Haobon is quite comfortable up to 30kmh in 3rd even with a totally flat rear. After riding for 5km I find a little roadside bike repair centre and pull in to find the shop is owned and run by a woman. She pulls the tyre to find another nail and a stuffed tube. I get her to put the new tube in and also buy a set of crash bars off her for 35 yuan. I needed the crash bars because my derriere is red raw from 10-12 hour days on rough roads on a saddle that has maybe 10mm of cushioning on a good day. Now I can use the crash bars as highway pegs to get a little relief in my seating position.

Day 4 (1/2 day) DingZhou to Beijing - 200km. Plain and simple ride. 48km from town there is a police check point. I just slowed down, looked to see if anyone was interested in me (they were too intent on going through the buses and trucks with a fine tooth comb) and just kept on riding. I was nervous about being stopped though as there are very VERY few bikes in Beijing and I am not sure how much interest they incur from the local police. I'm now staying in the Leo hostel approx 200 metres outside the 2nd ring road (in which bikes are not allowed) and doing fine.

Total distance ridden is now 3,800kms.

Major issues have been:
1. Crazy, crazy drivers trying to kill both myself and themselves - incidentally I saw a major crash every day and have seen 3 riders cleaned up by cars (I saw one this morning which I am sure was a fatality).
2. Roadworks everywhere, meaning lots of rough roads (my poor tush!) and lots of dust and dirt.
3. Diesel fumes - especially from those 3 wheeled trucks. Combined with the dust it means me and my clothing end up filthy each day. I hate to think what the inside of my lungs look like.

Overall I can't say enough about all my other interactions with the Chinese people. Everyone has been most friendly, including all the police. They just love foreigners.

I'm off in the morning to see about getting my Mongolian visa then it's off to Ulan Bataar. :scooter:

I'll try to post some photos up shortly.

Garry from Oz.

That's really an impressive trip across China. Looks like you know the drill.

Do you intend to keep the bike for Mongolia and cross the border even without papers?

All the best

Yes well .. the world map version 3 was based on VMAP0 data .. must be about 20 years old. I expect it to be out by 2km even if the roads have not moved/been reconstructed. With reconstruction (or adding a better road around the old one .. happens here) ... well 10 km differeence would be possible. As you say - use it for general course stetting .. like a larger scale map .. don't zoom in - you'll see finer detail but the accuracy is not there.

Good luck ..

I certainly do Brice. I collect my Mongolian visa this afternoon and will be leaving for Mongolia on Sunday.

Wish me luck :)

Garry from Oz.

Way to go Garry. Seems like you're having a great time on that little bike. Good to know it isn't dead yet.

I hope you have no trouble getting into Mongolia. Have fun and ride safe.:funmeteryes::thumbup1:

That sounds like a proper China adventure alright!

Good luck with Mongolia!

CC

Sorry guys, everytime I try and post a photo it crashes out on me. I'll get there eventually though - thanks for your patience.

On the subject of the Haobon holding together, I have had the following problems.

Day 1 - lost the left passenger footpeg - I assume there was no split pin in the holding rod. Peg now replaced.

Day 1 - speedo, tacho and fuel gauge totally inaccurate. They vary their measurements at whim. Not repaired but speedo confirmed to be accurate (as per the GPS) at 70kmh.

Day 2 - seat compressed sufficiently that my butt is now resting on the seat frame rails. No fix yet.

Day 2 - clutch jerking badly on release. Subsequently turns out to be rear cush drive rubbers which are torn to shreds. Not yet repaired as I have been unable to find the correct rubber - wil need to do so before I hit the Gobi desert though.

Day 3 - tail light bulb blown (both brake and rear light). Bulb replaced and no recurrence.

Day 3 - lens falls out of tail light. Repared with sticky tape and still holding.

Day 8/9 - punctures on consecutive days. Rear tube replaced both times.

Otherwise the bike is performing fine. The engine appears bulletproof. The wheels and suspension are doing a great job on the rough roads. Brakes and steering work very well and the tyres have excellent grip on the loose rough surfaces. The rear rack is super-strong and a couple of times when I have hit 300mm deep potholes or bumps (I'm talking major highways here guys!) I have attained a fair bit of air before landing hard with no negative consequences to any part of the bike.

The 11 litre tank offers a range of 400-450kms :) amazing when you consider the 20 litre tank on my Bandit B12 wouldn't even take me 300kms. Mind you I was crusing at double the speed on the Bandit :D

Now if I could just do something about that seat :rolleyes2:

Garry from Oz.

It's actually not too bad Frank. Quite a number of times when I was on the route the GPS would actually correctly name the highway I was on.
However, with all the road construction going on here, the roads are being rebuilt quite some distance away from the original route.

Garry from Oz.

Whats the price of petrol in China like?

It is about $0.80-$0.90 per litre

more or less US$0.75 a liter

Hey Super, looks like you pay more than me in your forgotten far far away province.

Hi guys, bit of a further update for you all.

I left Beijing on Saturday (10 May) and rode to Haixie (not sure I've spelt that right). I drove out of Beijing at 8am making sure I kept well outside of the 2nd ring road, found the expressway and had a great run to Badaling (bikes are allowed on the expressway) and then did a 2 hour Great Wall walk before heading out to North West. Once I got close to Badaling the weather changed dramatically (altitude was 1,000+ metres) and it was a VERY cool ride for the rest fo the day (little did I know what was to come). It was good run on decent roads until after around 150km I came upon this massive 15-20km long roadblock where police were stopping all Beijing bound trucks for checks. As a result, all the inbound trucks just parked themselves in both lanes blocking all traffic in either direction (of course they managed to turn a two lane road into 3+ lanes of stuck trucks so it was absolute chaos). I managed to thread the bike through this mess by riding along either the edge of the road, through lanes of trucks no more than 80cm wide or by taking short cuts through fields as the need arose). This happened at least 3 more time that day. During one major logjam I pulled offroad and found a Jialing dealer who replaced and installed the rubber cush drive hub for me, oiled the chain, tightened a couple of loose boats and sold me two new bungy straps all for 20 yuan ($2.50). The Haobon rides much more nicely again now.

Apart for the weather, and the trucks, the other challenge for the day was navigation. Basically I was supposed to be taking the G110 North but signposting was almost non-existent. I tired to use the GPS (which showed the G110) but this only served to confuse me more and I managed to get myself on the wrong road three times by following the GPS instead of my instinct. After almost ending up in Datong for the night I pulled in around 8pm to only hotel I could find and paid my highest sum yet for a night's accommodation (160 yuan or a little over $20) right on the border of Heibe and Inner Mongolia.

Sunday (11 May) - Haixie to Erenhot. Given Saturday's cool weather I decided to get all my cold weather gear on, and luckily I did. Once again I allowed the GPS to misdirect me before finding the way back on to the G110 by instinct after around 50kms of riding. There were more massive lines of trucks but these ones were on the expressway instead of the G110 (at this point the two roads run side by side). I was heading North west to Jining and the Haobon was running slowly because of the massive head wind I was riding in to. In noticed the temperature was dropping as the wet weather gear was not enough to keep the wind completely out, and then it happened.

At first I thought it was just sand blowing across the road combined with wind, and then it started to pile up on my body - snow flurries. :eek3:

Oh well, it looks quite pretty - bit cold maybe but quite pretty.... and then it turned into corn snow - hard little pellets of the stuff. Now don't forget, I'm running with an open face helmet and NO visor and NO eye protection. This was extremely painful and I had to put my left hand over my face to provide some protection. Fortunately it didn't last long and by Jining I thought it may be clearing - little did I know.

From Jining it's pretty much straight North to Erenhot - 320 km of good road, the last 100km or so an expressway (yes, bikes allowed). There were no problems getting past police check points to ride the road but the weather was only getting worse. Most of the time I was riding North so I had the full brunt of the wind in my face (with only a balaclava to protect it) and at times riding west with the bike leaning around 10 degrees to the right to stay upright in the wind, but still getting blown from one side of the road to the other. In the middle of this stretch was around 150km where it was no longer flurries - it was snowing heavily and the snow was staying on the ground. I would have loved to take photos but I was just so cold I couldn't. I pulled into Erenhot just before dark, found a good 80 yuan hotel and hopped under two doonas to thaw for the night. My fingers and toes were frozen but by morning I was all well apart from my throttle thumb which is frost bitten and will probably take another month or so for the feeling to return and the tingling to disappear.

Monday (12 May). I'm up bright and early ready and warmly dressed (extra pair of long johns today) for my border crossing. Fuel up in case of fuel shortage in Mongolia and off I go to the border post.

I get to the first check point and the soldier shouts his few words of English at me "NO!" pointing to the Haobon.

I get out my trusty electronic translator and determine that he won't let me take the bike across. He then shouts "Wait!", so I do for an hour or so. He then points me in the direction fo the customs office, shouts "customs broker", tells me to leave the bike behind and lets me through the first checkpoint.

I go up to the customs broker office desperately searching for anyone who may speak a smidgin of English, find a friendly chinese-mongolian lady who seems liek she has done this sort of thing many times before and who also speaks a little English. She takes me to a customs officer who phones a colleague and I am then driven a further 200 metres towards Mongolia to the incoming arrivals building. We meet a helpful female customs officer by the name of Tong Hao who explains the only way I can take a bike bought in China, out of China, is by having a letter of guarantee from CITS (the Chinese government International Travel Service) that I will bring the bike back into China (and leave a $500 deposit as proof). I drive back to Erenhot to find the CITS office and explain to them what I need. The CITS lady has no idea what I'm on about so I ask for her card to take back to customs for them to call her.

By this time it is almost noon. I get back to the border only to find a new soldier on the first checkpoint - let's just call him "little Hitler" . He point blank refuses to let me go back to customs and threatens to set his alsatian guard dog on me. :rolleyes2:

I watch a few of the Mongolians who are getting similar treatment. A big truck slowly drives through and they run beside it on the opposite side to the guard next to the wheels (yes, he's looking under waiting for just such a thing to happen)

The nest truck goes through - he spots a couple of them doing it and gives chase. Whilst he does, another group of Mongolians run through in a different direction. I take my chance and walk quickly, expecting to be screamed at and have a rifle pointed at me. I doge behind a couple of more trucks and lo and behold I'm back in. I head up to immigration - it is now 12.05, only to find the whole area has shut down for an hour for lunch.

1pm and I speak to Tong Hao who calls CITS and advises a letter of guarantee is not possible. She then spends another 3 hours running around seeking out alternatives for me - if nothing else, I can't say she wasn't helpful and friendly. Finally she comes back to me and says my only option is to go back to Beijing and seek special approval (which will take up to 2 weeks to obtain). Basically they have said that only bikes imported in to China can be exported (but they won't let you import in the first place - catch 22 :confused1:). After 9 hours my patience is wearing thin, and frustration is mounting. :censored: I reluctantly decide it is isn't worth it.

As much as I would love to ride to Ulan Bataar it looks like it will have to be the train. Only problem is I now can't get an train ticket until who knows when. I have spent all day running around exploring alternatives - no buses or planes on this route.:frown: Once again, frustration is mounting.

Garry from Oz.

Yet another great adventure Garry.:clap:

Why don't you try to put the bike in one of those trucks that cross the border? I'm sure some driver will be happy with few extra RMB.

Else just sold it at the border and buy another after.

Good luck and keep us updated.

There is an American guy living in Beijing, name is Jim Briant he owns a well known CJ750 workshop.

He has already crossed this border I think and he is going back in UB this summer. Don't know if he can help.

Here the contact I found on his website (mycj750:::introduction)

Contact us:

• 13811532632 Jian
• 13901320922 Jim
• (8610) 8459-0062 Direct

E-mail:

• mycj750@yahoo.com
• mycj750@hotmail.com
• mycj750@gmail.com
• jim@way2prc.com

Hi Brice, I tried the truck thing but unfortunately that won't work because the truck drivers have to provide a manifest of all cargo, pay respective duties and then their truck is checked by the customs to confirm that there is nothing they have not declared.

I spoke with Jian at myyCJ750 a couple of months back before I left Australia. Essentially what they do is get the special export permit for you and this is bundled in their price for the bike ($3-4,000). I believe it also takes them a few weeks to otain this permit.

With my limited time I can't afford to wait this long.

Anyways, the good news is that I now have a ticket for the train to Ulan Bataar in my hot little hands, it leaves at 11.15 tonight and takes 14 hours for the 800km journey. I have to work out how I return once I reach Ulan Bataar (they won't sell me a ticket here). I also have to find somewhere to park the bike in Erenhot for a few days (hopefully in my hotel).

I have only just caught up on the news about the Sichuan earthquake (I trust Carl is OK?)

I travelled through Sichuan 11 days before the quake. I saw on TV last night that in one of the towns I passed through (Da Xian) over 200 people were killed. It's interesting to note, in hindsight, that there were landslide warnings on a lot of the roads I rode and quite a few times there were BIG rocks (60cm square) lying in the middle of the road that had recently fallen. At other times small rocks actually fell onto the road right in front of me. I guess in any earthquake there is always a bit of a lead up and forewarning.

I have updated my blog but I can't read it (only update it) as ALL blogs are censored by the Chinese government. My blog is Across the universe

Garry from Oz.

Hi all, just arrived tonight in Shanghai after 6.5 days and 2,500km of riding down from the Mongolian border.

These last few days have been some of the most challenging and interesting of my travels.

The roads have been indescribably bad - so bad that one day I only managed to cover 180km in 10 hours on the road. Lots of roadworks - 200km+ sections of road so badly chopped up it may as well not exist. Landslides and roclk strewn roads. Potholes 2 foot deep and riding on dirt.... and then yesterday it rains to make it all one big chopped up swamp. When it rains in China it is is one huge torrential downpour for an hour or so.

Two more flat tyres in the middle of nowhere - had to ride 25km on bumpy gravel before I could find someone to repair. Rack snapped off from constant bouncing and the steering head bearings and swing arm bearings have worn out from being hammered by all the bumps.

Had the opportunity to stay with a family after the first puncture - the Chinese are very hospitable and you won't believe some of the foods I have eaten (I don't even know what it was I was eating). Speaking of which, it's also been 4 days since I've last been to the bathroom so I'm not sure if it agrees with me or not.

Last night, another puncture around 7pm (dark). Once again, family took me in for a meal whilst it was being repaired.

I've also broken the heart of a Chinese hotel receptionist once she learned my age and marital status.

Now to sell the bike and book a ticket to Busan to pick up the Burgie. The Russian journey will be longer but I'm not sure if it will be so challenging- I've really gotten off the beaten track in China

At least my derriere will be pleased to have a nice comfy seat again and less bumps on the road. :-)

Lots more to say - will update blog and post here again tomorrrow.

Garry from Oz

Hi Garry,

Read your B L O G. This is fine writing and with some photos you've got good material for an unconventional travel book.

I wish you the best for the next legs of your trip.

The Haobon is gone (sniff) - long live the mighty Haobon!
 

The Haobon has been sold to a local bike repairer for a bargain price. I trust the new owner gets as much enjoyment out of it as I did.

I'm off to Busan tomorrow morning to pick up the Burgie and start the next stage of my journey across Russia. I'll start a new thread in the North Asia section for all to follow my travels.

Garry from Oz.

I'm now just starting Part 2 of my travels, this time on my own bike (burgman 650) after my one month 7,500km China ride on a local Haobon 125cc bike: see
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...-part-ii-35545for details of the next leg.

Today I am in Busan, Korea and the good news is that I've just cleared customs without delays. http://burgmanusa.com/forums/images/...icon_smile.gif

After some minor hiccups with paperwork and having to get Vicroads (local vehicle registration office in Australia) to fax through copies of the registration documents to Korean customs (which took all of 15 minutes), Mr Lee of Eagle Shipping took me down to collect the bike. The bike arrived in perfect shape and undamaged despite my concerns about how well I had crated and packed it.

It took me a couple of hours to uncrate and reassemble it before paying all fees (total around US$500) and riding the bike out the gate and into Korea. The Korean customs people, as usual wherever I go, were polite and helpful. One of them even gave me a copy of a book he has written but I will need to brush up on my hanguel first!

I will leave tomorrow morning to ride North to Sokcho for the Dong Chun ferry to Vladivostok.

It's good to be back on the Burgie - much smoother and more comfortable than the Haobon, but of course it is far less nimble and feels quite ponderous initially - that feeling will hopefully disappear once I get used to riding it again.

My blog is Across the universe

Garry from Oz.

Fantastic Journey
 

What a fantastic journey - you must have some very interesting tails to tell. I'm envious already and my trip starts on nov 25th '08.

The bureaucratic hurdles are always the most infuriating I imagine.