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Hi.
I’d like suggestions for my bike research list please. Must have: 500 - 800cc Fuel injection 19” or 21” front wheel Must be: Under 200KG - wet weight Able to be bought for less than £4.5K A large manufacturer for parts accessibility Recognised for a general degree of reliability Please, no suggestions out of these criteria - I don’t want to get into big v small etc.. thanks for your understanding. Many thanks for your suggestions. bier |
Did you mean 100kg - there aren’t too many bikes under that weight?
Also are you talking new or used? |
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Must be available for under £4.5K - so I assume used. |
Honda CB500X 2019 would fit your criterias but it will be hard to find one for 4,5 K £.
Its fuel injected Its 197 kilos kerb weight Its a Honda so reliability should be great. It has a 19’ front wheel. Its almost 500 cc https://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/...fications.html |
Yamaha XT660R
Will fit your criterias. EFI 21’ front wheel Wet weight 181 kilos Made by a major manufactorer. A certain known reliability. I dont know the second hand prices in your country but most certainly it should be possible to find one for less than 4500 £. https://bikez.com/motorcycles/yamaha_xt660r_2012.php |
Thanks Snakeboy - the list begins
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Bmw f700gs
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KTM 690 Enduro/Enduro R
Not the latest models as you wont get them for less than 4500 £, but for a year ~ 2010 I guess you will be able to find one for that price. Its EFI Its around 150 kilos wet. And a little more when you have added a bigger fuel tank and filled it up, because the stock tank is only 12 liters and thus inadequate for long distance riding. Its a known brand - KTM Its reliable??? I dont have any personal experience.... https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/mo...uro_r%2009.htm |
BMW F650GS/Dakar
Should be within your criteria Its EFI Dakar edition has 21’ front wheel, the GS has 19’ Wet weight around 192 kilos Should be quite reliable afaik but dont have any personal experience with those models. As it is a BMW should be able to get parts in most parts of the civilised world (?) And a 10 year old bike should definetively be available for 4500 £. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_...ingle-cylinder |
BMW F650GS - a shade under 200kg fueled up.
The F800GS is slightly over 200kg when fueled up. |
ktm 500 exc with 15 liter acerbis tank or ktm 690 enduro r,
can't get any lighter then that. http://giantloop.smugmug.com/Motorcy...IMG_5577-L.jpg and BTW My ktm 500 exc is as reliable as my xt660z tenere, |
Thank you lads.
I was hoping this thread would throw up a few bikes not on my radar. Those KTMs for example. That 500 sounds good, I’ll look into it. Keep em coming bier |
Husqvarna te630 149kg dry (don't know the wet weight off hand), or it's heavier offspring SWM RS650 196kg wet. Best gearbox ratios in the business. BIG tanks available for the TE in Australia.
Maybe they don't count as "large" manufacturers? But haven't you built the perfect bike already;-) ? |
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BMW 650 Sertao
Very similar to the Dakar, only its engine came from Loncin (China) instead of from Rotax. Its newer than the Dakar, it has EFI, its a BMW with a chinese engine, how reliable it is I dont know...? It only has a 14 liter gasoline tank though and even with a very low fuel consumption it seems not adequate in my opinion. https://motorbikewriter.com/bmw-g-65...rcycle-review/ |
What about a Royal Enfield Bullet EFI 500 It does have the specifications that you ask for...
Its 500 cc Its EFI It has a 19’ front wheel and the rear is 19’ too btw... Wet weight 187 kilos Royal Enfield has dealers in more and more countries nowadays. Reliability is discusable of course but still... It should be easily available for 4500 £ for a almost new second hand. https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/mo...00_EFI_15.html |
The Himalayan is on my list bier
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Sorry, getting you mixed up with Flipflopdog/Mez and his CRF500L.:oops2: |
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Can't add to the list but can comment on three of the suggestions having lived with them:
The EFI Bullet is the best Enfield to date, but is still a 25HP plodder that needs searching thoroughly for Indian production stuff-ups. Mine snapped a chain as they didn't rivet a link properly. Once sorted it's lovely to ride and easy to live with except the now ever changing spec confuses parts suppliers used to bits from the 50's fitting bikes from the 90's. I'd have another as a second bike. The CB500 seems close to my ideal bike. Light, powerful enough, long ranged, long service intervals, haven't found anything it won't do. The biggest complaint after 18 months and 12000 miles is that you can see where my boots have been on the brake pedal. Might be through the paint by 2035, but don't tell Honda or someone in the paint shop will be getting a new letter opener in the internal mail. The Rotax powered 650 BMW is an Aprillia POS the Bavarians used as a cost cutting exercise. Water pumps and reg/recs fail, chains are the size are rated for a 250 twin, paint comes off the engines, forks have been known to snap. What was not a bad cheap commuter design in 1995 was past it's sell by date at the FI update and is now just nasty. Only reason I can see to get one would be as a bargain, but as rat bikes go XT600e's are better (but carbed). Andy |
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Cubic capacity seems an odd measure. A 498cc CB500 makes 47HP, same as a 652cc Rotax BMW, which both have a higher power to weight ratio than the Enfield although the Himalaya is making more power from less CC's than the Bullet.
Given the spec has a weight element and from experience I'd want 30HP. This brings in a number of options like the 300cc Versys and CRF250. Also no mention of the service intervals? Andy |
Tubeless tyres are an advantage when riding solo in remote places. I think I'm right in saying most bikes with alloys wheels can take tubeless. You may also want to consider service intervals, some of the enduro-type bikes have service intervals measured in hours rather than thousands of miles. The KTM 500 is an example of this as it's a highly tuned engine with an oil capacity of only 1.5 litres. And some enduro-type bikes don't have a subframe suitable for taking heavy luggage.
The words below are something I wrote earlier about the KTM 690 Enduro R (dry weight 142 kg). There were major improvements in 2012 so I wouldn't look at earlier models. You should be able to get a 2012-2013 model for £4,500. __________________________________________________ Any bike by definition is a set of compromises, especially in the long distance comfort vs off-tarmac choices. The KTM 690 Enduro is one of only a few bikes that you can stick 50 kgs of luggage on, ride 1000+ km, and then head off over a ploughed field or sand dunes with the luggage still attached. Whilst not particularly comfortable, it swallows long distances and motorway speeds—I’ve ridden my London-based 690 from Aberdeen to London in a day which is 880 km (550 miles). In a 20-hour period I rode my Spanish-based 690 from Marrakech to Tanger, waited several hours for the next ferry to Spain then with the help of much coffee, rode on in the night via Granada to our cave in the mountains which was 1100 km (690 miles). There are lighter (i.e. better) bikes for off-tarmac adventures, but they can’t carry sufficient luggage, would be excruciatingly uncomfortable for long distance, and have a service interval measured in hours rather than 10,000km. There are better (invariably much heavier) bikes for distance travel but unless you are an off-road god they are impossible riding in loose sand—I’ve been there and done it, with a BMW 1200 GSA, and have no wish to revisit the nightmare. When I’m in Morocco I normally ride solo, often in very remote places, sometimes in 40ºC heat with no shade. Getting a puncture in tubed tyres in those conditions is a real downer. I'd prefer tubeless tyres but the wheel rims aren't suitable, so at the moment I run the Spanish 690 with mousses, an expensive solution as the mousses cost as much as the tyres and need replacing as often. |
Okay, thanks to all - I have my list
bier |
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